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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/9/2007 4:26:39 PM

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You seem to be saying that it is right to bribe but not to be bribed.
I only pick on you because I am lazy and you are such an easy target.
I too have suffered the same pillow problem. I have solved the problem by combing out my pubic hair and bringing it up over my back and doing a comb over.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/9/2007 7:20:09 PM

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IMO Walmart is bad for the planet because it feeds our country's addiction to consumption. Maybe there are people who cant afford to shop anywhere else (try the salvation army, goodwill, etc, you'd be amazed at the quality stuff you can get there for almost nothing...), but it seems to me that most people shop there (Walmart) because they can buy more with the money they have, not because they can get things they need for less money.

Of course I shop there because I can buy more with less money. I need to
stretch my money, when I become a billionaire maybe then I will seek places where I can
spend a lot and get a little.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/9/2007 7:22:35 PM

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if you want to go to a Target, you either have the option of going to one in the South Loop (homes range from $450,000 to $1.5 mil), the locations near McKinley Park/Bridgeport (working/middle class) or the burbs. there's a Target in a predominantly black neighborhood however you have to travel to the southeast side of town to get there. something like Target or Wal-Mart wouldn't have much competition where i live because there are no mom-n-pop stores here to begin with. oh we have plenty of chicken and rib shacks, liquor stores, currency exchanges and Family Dollar stores - yet no big name or superstore here. don't want the evil entity known as Wal-Mart in your neighborhood or town, send it my way. you may not like how they conduct business at least in this poor neighborhood they would provide something desperately needed - JOBS!

Bravo! Very well said, I was thinking about what you wrote here as I rode through a
poor area of D.C. on my way home. I totally agree about the Dollar Stores also, as I said before
people pick on Wal-Mart and ignore a whole hell of a lot.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/9/2007 8:42:48 PM

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if you want to go to a Target, you either have the option of going to one in the South Loop (homes range from $450,000 to $1.5 mil), the locations near McKinley Park/Bridgeport (working/middle class) or the burbs. there's a Target in a predominantly black neighborhood however you have to travel to the southeast side of town to get there. something like Target or Wal-Mart wouldn't have much competition where i live because there are no mom-n-pop stores here to begin with. oh we have plenty of chicken and rib shacks, liquor stores, currency exchanges and Family Dollar stores - yet no big name or superstore here. don't want the evil entity known as Wal-Mart in your neighborhood or town, send it my way. you may not like how they conduct business at least in this poor neighborhood they would provide something desperately needed - JOBS!

Bravo! Very well said, I was thinking about what you wrote here as I rode through a
poor area of D.C. on my way home. I totally agree about the Dollar Stores also, as I said before
people pick on Wal-Mart and ignore a whole hell of a lot.

My favorite TV ad of all time (I love marketing....sue me)....

Dollar Store ad (East Coast):

Guy goes in to the store....freaks out....everything's a dollar....can't believe it....store employee comes up....

"Can I help you Sir?"

"Yeah...maybe...this can of Pumpkin Pie Sauce....how much?"

"A dollar".

"And this hair dryer?"

"It's a dollar".

"This 10 pack of holiday cards...."

"It's a dollar".

"Everything's a dollar here Sir".

"NO WAY!!!!!!!"

"Yeah....see....it's a dollar store....everything's a dollar here...get it? It's a dollar....if you see it...it's a dollar...that's a dollar...that over there is a dollar....that right there to your left is a dollar....is this making sense to you now?....It's a damn dollar store....that's what we do....everything's a dollar here...."

Best fucking ad that ever made it to TV!

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 4:41:52 AM

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quote:

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IMO Walmart is bad for the planet because it feeds our country's addiction to consumption. Maybe there are people who cant afford to shop anywhere else (try the salvation army, goodwill, etc, you'd be amazed at the quality stuff you can get there for almost nothing...), but it seems to me that most people shop there (Walmart) because they can buy more with the money they have, not because they can get things they need for less money.

Of course I shop there because I can buy more with less money. I need to
stretch my money, when I become a billionaire maybe then I will seek places where I can
spend a lot and get a little.

Well, Im not a millionaire and I still don't shop at Walmart. A lot of the name-brand electronic-type stuff they sell in there is made just for them, at lower quality standards than the models sold at other stores. So, people think they are getting some great deal that they arent really getting.
As for more for your money...the things that are necessities are rarely cheaper there for long. They come into town, eliminate the competition, and then slowly their prices creep back up to be the same as any of the other games left in town. A person who clips coupons and shops sales wisely can do just as well shopping at locally-owned establishments, but they are few and far between, and you are right, a lot of the larger companies' practices should be demanding our scrutiny as well. (For the record, a lot of people who hate Walmart are also not fans of the dollar stores.)

That's why the main problem as I see it is not the place but the fact that we feel compelled to consume so fucking much garbage when we could have a healthier planet, a better quality of life and probably be a lot happier with much much less.
It's like the addiction this country has to eating mass quantities of garbage food with no nutritionall value and every chemical additive under the sun. We don't need it. We are convinced somehow that we need to acquire all kinds of things that we don't need. It's gotten so that what this country does most and best is consume things.
It's a much larger problem than the store, itself.
The problem is us.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 8:33:21 AM

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I don't have to defend where I spend my money. I am here LEGALLY, I pay state and
local taxes. I am a great CITIZEN, and I can spend what is left of my paycheck, wherever
I want to spend it.
Why don't you spend some of your time and energy making sure that everyone that lives in
this country is contributing to our tax system, which is what is keeping most of the hospitals,
school systems and social services going?
Have a nice day.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 8:51:25 AM

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I did not see that she was asking you to defend it, nor was her point about taxes. YOU feel that getting taxes from everyone is important, and that is what you should concentrate on, perhaps boycott people that hire illegals would help... like Walmart

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 9:03:24 AM

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That's true we all have causes that are important to us. I am considering joining the
border patrol and helping to patrol the borders. I am going to step up my involvement
in organizations that will MAKE the government enforce the laws that are on the books!
I can continue to shop at Wal-Mart and all the companies that employ people that are in
this country illegally will be punished.
That indeed is fair!!
Thanks for the encouragement!
Have a great day!

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 9:42:34 AM

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That is the difference between us I guess. I am not saying I am better or anything mind you, but I resent spending money at places that have business practices I dislike. There are so many places I do not go that treated a friend that worked there badly, or were rude to me or my family. I am still boycotting a local pharmacy for being rude to my ailing stepdad when he went in their establishment to get meds... I was fuming pissed off over that.

I see giving my money to any entity as a statement of approval, and if I disapprove they do not get my money. It could be price, cleansliness, friendliness, the way they treat their workers. I do not go into places where the workers look really unhappy. I am super selective about where I shop. I know I am not the usual in that way... but that is the way I am, and walmart flunks in every category.

Now if my problem was with illegals I would definitely want to know if any business I gave my money to was employing them. You put your money were your love is, and if it REALLY mattered to you where your money was going, you would not spend money at places that YOU KNOW hire illegals.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 10:54:05 AM

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I did not see that she was asking you to defend it, nor was her point about taxes. YOU feel that getting taxes from everyone is important, and that is what you should concentrate on, perhaps boycott people that hire illegals would help... like Walmart

But of course, Walmart didn't hire criminal workers. It contracted with a cleaning company that hired illegal workers in 2003. As the "deep pocket" in the investigation brought by ICE they paid a fine for complicity of $11 Million under the condition that no wrong doing was determined. Subsequently they now require all third party contracted entities to provide documentation and warrant that all their employees are not illegally in the US. The $11 Million was legal extortion provided by the civil court system in the US and paying the fine was much less than the cost of fighting the fine.

It was wrong for Walmart to not take employee verification to that degree. Wrong because should have realized that they'd be a target. However the problem corrected. I wish the same enforcement of law and consequence on any entity hiring, or contracting with any entity hiring, criminals.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 11:24:30 AM

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Thanks for clearing that up hummm Merc. It is so easy to pick on Walmart, and
not look at the big picture.
Let us all hope that the long arm of long enforcement takes ALL the companies and
corporations to task, that hire people that are not in our country legally!

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 11:40:12 AM

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Tell you what though, I see the death soon of Circuit City. Their latest public move of firing anyone with enough years to be "knowledgeable" having the misfortune of making more than minimum wage is just wrong.

actually, circuit city is going out of business as we speak... over the past two months most stores have been having "going out of business" sales, leaving a core of 1/5-1/3 of the stores open

according to the employees i was talking to while i was at one of these sales, the move is in response to greatly reduced sales due to online shopping and competitions with other, more generalized, big box retailers

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 12:04:31 PM

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have only read the first 2 pages so far, but just wanted to make a few comments.

1. i LOATHE Wal-Mart, and all it stands for
2. for a brief period i was actually an employee of Wal-Mart (customer service dept, haha!). eventually they fired me after i began questioning company policies a bit too much.

as far as the employee health insurance goes, when i worked there, it was offered to full-time employees who had logged a certain no. of hours...something that equated to about 3 months. however it was extremely limited, and the cost was so astronomical, especially considering the extremely low pay, that with the exception of those folks who decide to make Wal-Mart a lifetime career, most didn't feel the insurance was worth it, so didn't bother.

my major issue with Wal-Mart is the fact that single-handedly change the face of a community, and not for the better. at the location where i worked, the local community protested Wal-Mart opening in their town for several years before obviously losing in the end. they feared that a Wal-Mart would mar the historic, old-towne beauty of the area, cause the local shops to lose business, add traffic and congestion to a formerly serene, quiet town, attract other low-brow businesses to the area, etc. the best the town was able to do was to segregate Wal-Mart to a small, less beautiful side of town where all the fast food restaurants are located. 2 years after Wal-Mart's grand opening there, a mom and pop grocery store which had been a town fixture for nearly 80 yrs went out of business. most other local businesses are struggling as well, but the community has really banded together to keep them alive, and there is a local boycott on the Wal-Mart. however Wal-Mart is still doing great business there because of all the people coming from 20 mins to an hour away to shop there weekly, since they do offer those dandy low prices. and this may seem a minor issue in comparison, but i found it interesting (in a depressing sort of way) that pre-Wal-Mart, it was almost unheard of to see so much as a gum wrapper on the streets of that particular town. since Wal-Mart, it's common to see beer bottles, boxes, even clothing lining the roadsides leading to and away from Wal-Mart.

people who support capitalism and Wal-Mart in particular bring up points that the store brings jobs to a community, offers convenience and low prices, etc. but at what price?

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 12:08:37 PM

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1) neglect for healthcare for employees
2)driving mom and pops small town america out of business
3) crime in Walmart parking lots
4)factory worker abuse in china and india
5) sexism and racism at their stores
6) union busting
7)subsidies that walmart gets from all levels of government
8) citizens fighting to keep walmart out and winning.

i can agree with all the statements above since i did use to work at Walmart. There's also no communication among employees or managers. Racism yes i've seen it done while i did work there, for about 2 months. At the store that i worked at, if someone got written up everyone, including overnight employees, knew about it that same day. You might also want to add backstabbing and lying about everything. Just my two cents on Walmart

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 12:20:48 PM

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I agree with EVERYTHING you have said on this thread, funny the Walmarts that I go to are in very,very nice
well-heeled neighborhoods where the average price of the homes there are 400-600K.
Odd isn't it? There is NO Walmart in Washington, D.C. and NO Walmart in MOST predominately black or poor neighborhoods
in the MD/DC/VA area. I say MOST because the one I enjoy is in Bowie, MD that does happen to have the wealthiest
Black community probably in the state of MD. **Homes there average between 350-500K**
All the other ones in this area tend to be located again, only in the
nicest areas of town.
Ain't that funny?

well MzMia, it appears that you shop in my neck of the woods! we live in Bowie, and i can tell you, there are a great deal of people who are extremely ticked off that Wal-Mart decided to break ground here. i would guess that most of the people who shop there come from outside the local communities, which seems to happen a lot with Wal-Mart. hmm, wonder why?

anywho my Master says he wouldn't set foot in that Wal-Mart if he were on fire and they were offering free water. and even when i worked at a Wal-Mart (in rural VA, not here), i never shopped there, even to get a quick lunch! i agree with julia in that i don't believe in spending money in a place with ethics i don't agree with (or none at all, in the case of Wal-Mart). tho i realize many people prefer to do what's cheap, convenient and easy.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 12:31:24 PM

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people who support capitalism and Wal-Mart in particular bring up points that the store brings jobs to a community, offers convenience and low prices, etc. but at what price?

Are you equating capitalism to freedom of choice? That would indicate truth in the converse of that statement. I would concur.

The "price" is payment for availability and access. The results indicate that people are willing to pay it, without a gun held to their head, to work and shop there. Would you deny them that freedom? Why?

What is being said about WalMart used to be said about JC Penny's, Sears, Macy's and many of the huge department stores that initiated the 'Mall' era. Then there was K-Mart, once a major retail force. Their time came and went. So someday will WalMart, replaced by internet shopping and automated shipping from massive robot managed warehouses. There may be a time when a Walmart operation and the jobs it generated will be looked back as the "good old days".

However, as has occurred in the Banking industry, as more mega-banks opened more opportunity for "boutique" specialized Banks have opened and are operating successfully. The same will occur in retail, especially if/when the cost of transportation to go to a mega-store gets high enough for people to add it into the equation.

There are no current job openings for traveling salesman which used to be the manner many purchased their goods.

Meanwhile...

The cost of Walmart offered health insurance too high? Don't participate in the program.

Don't like what a WalMart will do to a historic area? Go to the zoning board meetings and speak to block construction.

Litter on the streets from WalMart customers? Complain to the police to enforce the law regarding littering.

Want a WalMart to close? Don't shop there.

80 year old companies going out of business? Dinosaurs are extinct too. Better yet, as immortal as we all believe we are - each of us will die when our time comes.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 4:18:42 PM

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i agree with julia in that i don't believe in spending money in a place with ethics i don't agree with (or none at all, in the case of Wal-Mart). tho i realize many people prefer to do what's cheap, convenient and easy.

I think that is the essense of this thread, those of us that do not like Walmart have the right to complain when they engage in practices we do not like, and we have the right to encourage others not to shop there... just as others have a right to shop there.

It rather amazes me that people are so up in arms about regular people that do not appreciate this store.. it is like we said that people should eat their children or something. i mean it is almost as hot of a topic as abortion.. who would have thought a place to shop could get so many people so defensive.

I am glad some former walmart employees shared their views here, especially in regard to healthcare. I do not think that people who work fulltime should have to pay an arm and a leg on poverty wages to get insured, and it is downright shameful that fulltime workers are eligible for foodstamps and state medical aid.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 4:25:42 PM

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I do not think that people who work fulltime should have to pay an arm and a leg on poverty wages to get insured, and it is downright shameful that fulltime workers are eligible for foodstamps and state medical aid.

I agree.
I was going to add a "but" but I wont bother lol

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 9:12:04 PM

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greetings

I think this is a news item that is available for sale. The issue of Walmart and it employees healthcare has been well publized. Why Walmart I do not know, there are many many companies that do not have healthcare for their employees, most claim they can't afford it. The one I am working for now does not have healthinsureance for the over 100 employees, giving the "can afford it" excuse. The fact is there is no law that requires healthcare coverage for employees why Walmart is single out I do not know.

Yes I do shop at Walmart. I bought a portable fire place there that normally sells for over $100.00, I paid about $30.00.

The Walmart that i was working at did have health insurance but not until 120 days passed

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/11/2007 9:20:55 PM

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well MzMia, it appears that you shop in my neck of the woods! we live in Bowie, and i can tell you, there are a great deal of people who are extremely ticked off that Wal-Mart decided to break ground here.

My sister lives in a quaint little hamlet up in Sonoma County, California. Deep in the heart of wine country.

McDonalds bought property and applied for business permits.

Word got out.

A vote of the citizens of that city had a special election and voted against providing business permits for a McDonalds. The permit applications were denied.

McDonald's corporation sued the city. Brought in teams of lawyers. Researched case history, and were able to get the judge to rule that they were unfairly discriminated against by the citizens of the town.

Now a person can buy a big Mac at a garish monstrosity nestled sweetly among the quiet streets and grape orchards and historic buildings.

I feel so lucky to live in a world where multinational corporations can inflict their steel bootheels on the backs of the people their ads insist they are serving. Providing them everything the corporation insists the people need, at a price, and taking them to court if needed.

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