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Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/6/2007 9:47:45 PM   
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This is going to be a long post, but please bare with me.  I have been on this site for awhile.  I haven't really participated in many of the discusssions in the forums, but I do read them.  I had another profile up here all the way back in 2004 where I met my last dominant.  She had been a submissive to a male dom in a polyamorous relationship but she decided to explore her dominant side.  Shortly after her decision, she met me.  When we met, she lived in another state in the upper Midwest, and I lived here (look at my profile, I live in the South).  I had a real problem with the polyamory thing, but I liked her.  I continued talking to her.  After awhile, I was hooked.  She was smart and funny.  I looked forward to talking to her every day.  After awhile, I was ready to say yes to relocating and giving her way of life the good college try.  However, I started hearing about big of a jerk her "free companion" was.  I started hearing the jealousy and the anger she felt.  I understood this, because I have always been monogamous.  I didn't know it at the time, but she was setting me up.  She did this for over a month, and cultivated that protective instinct that all of us males have.  Before I knew it, she was talking about moving here.  She had a aunt that lived here, so she made her decision and moved down here.  I felt great about that.  It made me feel special and important.  After all, there are thousands of male submissives looking for partners here.  I felt lucky, and I didn't think about the dangers of falling for someonone I never met. 

The first few months after she moved here were great.  We went out and dated.  It was really fun.  We shared everything, and I felt lucky.  I thought I had really met the person I was meant to be with.  You have to understand how extraordinary this is.  I am a cynic and a pessimist.  I don't generally believe in the concept of soul mates.  But she mad me feel things I had never felt before.  I felt blessed and I was happy.  However she soon started changing.  I realized she had been in a very confined relationship for several years.  Despite what people tell me about polyamory, it seems more confining to me than monogamy.  Monogamy only requires you to be loyal to one person.  Polyamory requires loyalty to everyone in your particular circle.  I understood that it was a transition for her, and I backed off a lot.  I did everyting that she asked me to do.  Soon after she left me and started a vanilla relationship.  She told me that she was burned out on the lifestyle and needed a break.  I was upset, but I understood.  She needed to find her place in the world, and I backed off.  Months later, she called me looking for a  friend.  I was there, and I was willing to take on that role.  After all, I did like her and I still enjoyed our conversations.  We were both dating other people, and I saw no problem.  I still was interested in her and she knew that.  But, I accepted our friendship as what it was.  During that friendship phase, she called me one day in a panic.  Her power had been shut off, and she had no way of paying it.  I really didn't feel comfortable paying her bill, but I didn't know what to say.  She has kids, and I would have felt like an asshole if I said no.  So I paid her bills under the agreement she would pay me back.  The bill was close to a thousand dollars.  I am not rich, so a thousand dollars is a lot of money.  I am responsible and frugal, so I did have it in my savings.  I gave it to her, but I expected it to be repaid.  I made no time table on this payment.  I told her to give it to me when she had it.  Shortly after this, we agreed to stary seeing each other romantically again.  But, the loan was not suspended.  I still expected to be paid back.  During our brief romantic relationship, I learned that she had been  seeing other people and lying about it.  We had agreed on a monogamous relationship.  She did not stick to that agreement.  In fact, she saw other people while telling me that we were exclusive. 

When I found about all of this, I was obviously angry.  She did not reveal any of her activities to me. I found them out on my own.  I did not spy on her or seek these anwers out.  I found out through others, and she lied about it when asked.  I immediately asked to break off the relationship, because I don't tolerate dishonesty.  I did not ask about the money she owed.  She brought it up, and I agreed to a plan where she would pay me back in installments once a week.  That plan never happened, and I never heard from her after that.  I took a friend with me as a witness to her house to talk about a plan for paying  this money back.  When I arrived, the man she had lied to me about was there.  I said nothing, and I was very polite.  I only asked her for some sort of plan to pay me back.  So we went and got a writtten agreement for her to pay me back in full by a certain date. 

That date came, and I recieved a check in the mail.  I felt good that she had upheld her end of our bargain, and I deposited the check in my checking account.  I was sad that our relationship had not worked out.  But, these things happen.  People come into your life, and they exit your life.  A few weeks later, I got a notice from my bank that her check was from a non-existant account.  She wrote me a phony check.   Needless to say, I was pissed.  I went out of my way to help her and her kids.  The repayment I got was to be defrauded.  I didn't want to do it, but I called a lawyer friend of mine.  I was told that I had a winning lawsuit, but that I should try to get her to comply before it went that far.  I did contact her, and I am now in the midst of trying to collect from her. 

Here is my problem in the lifestyle sense.  A lot of our mutual lifestlye friends have called her to ask how she is holding up.  These people come from all orientations.  They are dominants, submissives, switches, males, females, etc.  However, not one person has called to ask me the same thing.  There is no fight about what happened.  She has admitted to screwing me over, and is trying to pay me back. All of that is in the record.  I don't understand why the dominant is instantly afforded sympathy and the submissive is forgotten in a breakup.  Does D/s stand for double standard? 

Pardon me for any type-o's or incorrect spelling.  I didn't edit this very closely. 

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/6/2007 9:54:31 PM   
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I am sorry this happened to you.  However, I am "laid up" right now and subjected to the torture called "daytime tv." I watched a program called Judge Judy a few times.  Now, you can see how low I have become, watching horrible judge shows on tv.  The bottom line? People screw other people out of money in bad break ups all the time.  90% of these lame judge shows are about that.  Kinky or not, people are flakes. Nothing to do with dominant or submissive.
Am I am masochist for watching daytime TV? That's the question.

If you have an agreement and a witness, take her to small claims court.  Show her who's 'submissive.'

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/6/2007 9:56:26 PM   
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I am sorry this happened to you.  However, I am "laid up" right now and subjected to the torture called "daytime tv." I watched a program called Judge Judy a few times.  Now, you can see how low I have become, watching horrible judge shows on tv. 
I'm sorry, i will not sit here and let you blasphem Judge Judy.  She's so f'in hot.

How dare you.


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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/6/2007 9:57:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SlaveBlutarsky

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I am sorry this happened to you.  However, I am "laid up" right now and subjected to the torture called "daytime tv." I watched a program called Judge Judy a few times.  Now, you can see how low I have become, watching horrible judge shows on tv. 
I'm sorry, i will not sit here and let you blasphem Judge Judy.  She's so f'in hot.

How dare you.



Nah...But I do think that judge on "People's Court" is cute and spunky, and I think Judge Hatchett is cute - she kind of looks like my MD.   I'm on too many drugs.

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/6/2007 9:58:06 PM   
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She may be lying to all of your mutual life-style friends, about exactly what her role was in your break-up, and the fact that she wrote you a bad check for a sizeable amount of money to you. Perhaps even though this is all "on record" your mutual friends have not checked what is on record.

She sounds like the kind of person who would lie to save her own reputation at your expense, as long as she didn't have to look you in the face while she did it, so I would not be surprised if this is what she is doing.

I'd say good riddance to her, and sadly, the next person who becomes seriously involved with her as her slave will probably endure much of the same, because IMO, people are not that quick to change. Sorry this happened to you.

I once loaned $700 to a "friend" and was never repaid, and strangely enough, they suddenly became more and more distant in my life (because they never had any intention of repaying the money).

My sister is an attorney, and she sees people do this kind of thing all the time, who think nobody is going to sue them over such an amount. I say go ahead with it. She may think twice before she does it again, to someone else.

- Susan  

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/6/2007 10:01:16 PM   
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Sorry this happened to you, you sound like a genuine guy. But these problems aren't solely confined to Dommes, subs can mess people around too. If you read My new thread about What would you do? you'll see that I've been through some shit too ... though nowhere near as much as you! Hang in there, there are some genuine people around!

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 12:37:01 AM   
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Never loan tons of money to any one. yeah you want to be nice, yes you felt bad, but it's not worth it.



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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 12:50:03 AM   
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My last submissive (and life partner/ fiance) just successfully cheated me out of A$150,000 (US $110,000 or BP50,000)

I took him to the Supreme Court in September, won the first hearing in November but eventually settled last week (at a total loss of $30,000) on the recommendation of my lawyers to avoid further expenditure and public embarassment about our lifestyle.

Lessons learned?  Sadly, don't trust anyone, even the ones you love.  Trust them even less if they are from the lifestyle.

It was a harsh lesson and I am very bitter.



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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 12:54:25 AM   
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PS I am not rich either.  I had to sell my house to pay the legal fees and will only get a little over half of them back from him (if his cheque doesn't bounce!)

Was it worth it?

Financially - no.  OP, move on.  Thank your Higher Power you only got cheated out of $1000


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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 1:46:30 AM   
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MsCfromMelbourne: Oh man! That really, really sucks!!

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 3:41:35 AM   
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Well this does suck royally.  Humans are humans.  These "lifestyle" humans are still humans.   Some people need to take sides.  Most times with partial information since there are actually 50 sides to every story.  Some need to take the woman's side, top or bottom.  Some people need to perceive that others need to take sides.  

Moral of this story -- avoid drama, this story was laden with it from the beginning.  When someone starts talking down their current partner run away fast.  None of this has anything to do with polyamory.  Don't lend more money than you can give it away.  I actually don't lend. If I can afford to give 500 then I do.  If not I give less.  That way money doesn't come between me and a friend.  Just some rules of thumb I have for my own life.


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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 6:20:15 AM   
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I don't think this is a matter of you being ignored because you are sub -- it may have more to do with three other things.

You mutual friends may actually be closer to her. It's very common for friends to have different levels of friendship with the individuals in a couple or a household.

You are male and she is female. Some people buy into the "woman always victim" model of relationships.

It could also be that because you are a man they assume you will be able to take care of yourself more than here -- the "woman as weaker" model.

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 6:39:39 AM   
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First of all, the Mistress here didn't strike me as poly. Poly is the ability to be open and honest with your partners, it is the ability to treat them as if they mean something (a committment.) Clearly you drew a short stick here --- as in hindsight you see that you were used and manipulated.

In your story, I think you are to be commended for trying your best. Whenever you take the high ground in a relationship (you are honest, forgiving, vulnerable, generous, etc.) you can leave it with pride and know that you yourself adhere to higher standards.

The Mistress here clearly took the low ground: seems as if you were her rebound guy to use as she needed. (That's not domination.) She also engaged lies and manipulation without any apparent justification.

The fact that now she's still popular and you are ignored and unappreciated is not explained by a double standard. Its best explained by her cleverly controlling her own environment and the information flow; aka the people around her just don't get the real her.

This seems like such a dirty and vile outcome: the wrongdoer being treated well and going forward with impunity. It seems that posturing and playing the cards trumps honor. Don't be fooled by these appearances, and don't be fooled by the spoils of the low road. Concentrate instead on your own high road while moving forward.

Last thing: Don't adopt a pessimistic attitude. (This is a choice you make.) Believing in positive outcomes helps you achieve them. Be sure to put your negative experiences into a specific context, don't make them an iron-clad profile of others or the nature of the world.

Footnote: Your first clue was her scheming to leave one guy for you. Here, you arguably aided and abetted her on the low road. Next thing you knew, the plot boomaranged on you.

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 6:48:00 AM   
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cloudboy, IMO that is such an inspiration, and so encouraging. I hope he takes your good advice, and kind words, to heart. Good luck to the OP.

- Susan 

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 6:55:16 AM   
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Remember about how she cultivated her relationship with you, then complained about her relationship with him? I think that is what is going on.

You don't sound like you are going to all your friends and whining about what happened. If you aren't, the field is clear for HER to make all sorts of untrue claims - and garner all the sympathy. It's not a double standard in the "Dommes get sympathy, subs don't" kind of sense. It's just that people believe the story they hear...especially when the other side remains silent.

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 6:58:55 AM   
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Another superior Mistress who can't pay her bills and finds another sub to cover
to cover the bills this month...

So was the power shut off with no warning ??  Around here and every other place
I've ever been you do get 2-3 months before they shut you off.  My point is, when
she called you back "as a friend", she already knew she was in financial trouble and
no doubt hoping you could be this months rescue.  If people were honest and not
worried about her pathetic feelings, you may be able to find a pattern of abuse from
her with others.

I wouldn't think a trailer would need that much power anyways, give her some batteries.




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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 7:03:06 AM   
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I agree it is not worth actively defending your reputation against someone who would do this kind of thing to you. In this case, I think "taking the high road" might mean saying nothing, unless specifically asked about the situation.

It is going to be your word against hers - your real friends will give you the benefit of the doubt, or at least not judge you harshly, no matter what they may be not telling you (and it doesn't sound like they are saying anything really, so far), or what you think they may "really know".

I think people sometimes forget, that they don't really know what other people "really know". All they know is what they think others know, sometimes even if they talk to them, too, via what is displayed by their actions and their words. Perhaps, some of your mutual friends actually believe (and maybe rightfully so) that you are indeed being the "grown-up" here.

But maybe it doesn't appear that way to you, right now, because she is getting so much attention. Drama queens do get attention. Sometimes quieter grown-up, adult-types, don't get as much. 

I'd consider, actually, re-thinking it a little maybe, and maybe taking the slience as a complement. I think it might be one, actually, even if a little positive feed-back would be nice in this instance (and maybe that is to come, who knows, really?).

I think TammyJo alluded to this. 

- Susan

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 7:13:17 AM   
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My last roommate screwed me out of a large chunk of cash. It didn't have anything to do with d/s, some times people are just a**holes. You just have to be careful who you trust.

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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 7:39:23 AM   
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my rules of lending money:
co-workers after working there 10 years
'best' friends of 10 yrs or more
family always
new Mistress's, never
a few bucks to a stranger in need, yes ( no payback expected)

you should take her and that fake check to court and save others from being ripped off
that is a felony and she truely needs to do her time for the crime. 

I'm sorry, but nothing pisses me off more than these "Mistress's" who are unemployed,
their houses/apartments a wreck all the time, bills unpaid, whining about money 24/7,
and they spend 12+ hours a day on collarme trolling for subs ...

Get off your ass and get a JOB, you want respect, earn it, your title alone does not do it.







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RE: Does D/s stand for double standard? - 4/7/2007 8:10:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeatMeDaily

my rules of lending money:
co-workers after working there 10 years
'best' friends of 10 yrs or more
family always
new Mistress's, never
a few bucks to a stranger in need, yes ( no payback expected)

you should take her and that fake check to court and save others from being ripped off
that is a felony and she truely needs to do her time for the crime. 

I'm sorry, but nothing pisses me off more than these "Mistress's" who are unemployed,
their houses/apartments a wreck all the time, bills unpaid, whining about money 24/7,
and they spend 12+ hours a day on collarme trolling for subs ...

Get off your ass and get a JOB, you want respect, earn it, your title alone does not do it


Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my apartment is a mess, I whine about money I spend roughly 8 hours a day on here ...weekends longer.. and I work full time. While I whine about money and worry about My ability to pay bills I do it myself.  Do I want a sub to pay my way no, but someone to help with the bills would be great lol .... but only if he lived here I hate the feeling I owe someone money especially in a Domme sub/relationship.

As for your rules about lending... I do agree with those.


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