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SusanofO -> Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/7/2007 3:44:36 AM)

Well now - finally I've heard of a decent economic solution for the Iraq situation.

Apparently, if we'd all just go on-line and order their rugs, we'd see their financial situation become less dismal in short order. Plus, the Sunnis and Shi'ites will be hugging and kissing eachother within weeks, not months or years. Check it out. This was recently discussed on the McNeil-Lehrer News hour...https://rugsrus.iraq.com

P.S. I had some trouble accesssing this site (but it does exist, if you keep trying. However, it is "quirky and tempermental" to reach, for some reason.)

- Susan




Mercnbeth -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/7/2007 6:55:21 AM)

Did anyone notice that the first oil contracts were awarded by the Iraqi government? Anyone notice who they went to? China and Vietnam are two, and a few others. None to the USA, no 'Halliburton' connection?

What happened to the "blood for oil" REAL reason the USA invaded?

Why? Pure capitalism at work. The Iraqi's traded with the same people they were trading with under Saddam. They have translated contracts ready for renewal. The people who actually do the work already know each other. Bank accounts already exist and are ready for funds.




popeye1250 -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/7/2007 1:44:57 PM)

Merc, that same think happened after we freed Kuwait.
I have a 9 by14 Kirman Majestic carpet that I inherited from my mother's estate. It was handmade in Iran in 1970.




seeksfemslave -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/7/2007 1:49:57 PM)

If it is true one or two posters should  have red faces. lol




luckydog1 -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/7/2007 2:24:26 PM)

seeks, but they won't even acknowldege it.




Real0ne -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/7/2007 6:56:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Did anyone notice that the first oil contracts were awarded by the Iraqi government? Anyone notice who they went to? China and Vietnam are two, and a few others. None to the USA, no 'Halliburton' connection?

What happened to the "blood for oil" REAL reason the USA invaded?

Why? Pure capitalism at work. The Iraqi's traded with the same people they were trading with under Saddam. They have translated contracts ready for renewal. The people who actually do the work already know each other. Bank accounts already exist and are ready for funds.



Did someone say "REAL" reason?

New Oil Law Means Victory in Iraq for Bush
At any time within the next few days, the Iraqi Council of Ministers is expected to approve a new "hydrocarbon law" essentially drawn up by the Bush administration and its UK lackey, the Independent on Sunday reported. The new bill will "radically redraw the Iraqi oil industry and throw open the doors to the third-largest oil reserves in the world," says the paper, whose reporters have seen a draft of the new law. "It would allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil companies in the country since the industry was nationalized in 1972." If the government's parliamentary majority prevails, the law should take effect in March.

As the paper notes, the law will give Exxon Mobil, BP, Shell and other carbon cronies of the White House unprecedented sweetheart deals, allowing them to pump gargantuan profits from Iraq's nominally state-owned oilfields for decades to come.

Chris Floyd, the correspondent for Truthout.org, writes the Bush's Victory claim in Iraq is achievable only in the sense of his thinking not yours. Your thinking of Victory is democracy in Iraq, and his thinking of Victory is a claim of the Oil Reserves in Iraq. He says, with the advent of this new Hydrocarbon Law in Iraq and with the announced increase in the US Armed forces will enable oil companies gain a strong foothold in the Iraq Oil Market (with significant oil profits share for them). Most of the forces will be used not to fight the insurgency rather than protect these oil barons. Iraqis will have only a minority in this industry if this law passes even though it owns the third largest oil reserves in the world. Read the related article also, Bush's Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq's Oil which chronicles the oil companies interest in Iraq and who is protecting them in Iraq none other than the US and British Armed forces.

While we still think the Democracy in Iraq is possible, we just have to keep dreaming because it is not going to happen. For proof you can check how many democratic countries are there in the Middle East for the last 100 Years. So if you ask Bush, did you win the victory in Iraq? he will say a big Yes.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/88023/New_Oil_Law_Means_Victory_in_Iraq_for_Bush



Bush's Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq's Oil

The Iraqi government faces a December deadline, imposed by the world's wealthiest countries, to complete its final oil law. Industry analysts expect that the result will be a radical departure from the laws governing the country's oil-rich neighbors, giving foreign multinationals a much higher rate of return than with other major oil producers and locking in their control over what George Bush called Iraq's "patrimony" for decades, regardless of what kind of policies future elected governments might want to pursue.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045/

The law sets no minimum standard for the extent to which foreign companies would not have to invest their earnings in the Iraqi economy, partner with Iraqi companies, hire Iraqi workers or share new technologies.

The international oil companies could also be offered some of the most corporate-friendly contracts in the world, including what are called production sharing agreements. These agreements are the oil industry’s preferred model, but are roundly rejected by all the top oil producing countries in the Middle East because they grant long-term contracts (20 to 30 years in the case of Iraq’s draft law) and greater control, ownership and profits to the companies than other models. In fact, they are used for only approximately 12 percent of the world’s oil.

http://priceofoil.org/thepriceofoil/war-terror/iraqi-oil-law/


more

Halliburton is moving to UAE at a time when it is being investigated in the U.S. for bribery, bid rigging, defrauding the military and illegally profiting in Iran. It is currently in the process of divesting all of its ownership interest in the scandal-plagued KBR subsidiary, notorious for overcharging the military and serving contaminated food and water to the troops in Iraq.

Although Halliburton will still be incorporated inside the United States, moving its corporate headquarters to UAE will make it easier to avoid accountability from federal investigators. The company has proven adept at using offshore subsidiaries to circumvent restrictions on doing business in Iran and to elude responsibility for paying benefits to former employees.

Halliburton has also used its operational structure for contracts in Iraq and post-Katrina -- especially multiple layers of subcontractors -- to elude oversight and accountability to taxpayers.

Moving to UAE may also hinder ongoing government investigations into Halliburton's alleged
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/dubai.html


Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers
Sen. Dorgan speaks about KBR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gox6YB56cJ8&mode=related&search=


Halliburton's Hella Good Deal
Charlie Cray
July 21, 2006

         

Charlie Cray is the director of The Center for Corporate Policy in Washington, D.C., and co-author of The People's Business: Controlling Corporations and Restoring Democracy (Berrett-Koehler, 2004).

Last week, the Army announced  with much fanfare that it was canceling the monopoly logistics contract that Halliburton/KBR has used to bilk U.S. taxpayers since the occupation of Iraq began. The contract will be broken up and divided among at least three different companies, but it’s not clear that this will make much difference to taxpayers, or even that Halliburton will stop making a killing.

The new policy is, in effect, tacit recognition of the epidemic of waste, fraud and poor contract oversight that have plagued the Iraq occupation from the start. It vindicates key congressional critics, such as Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., and Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., whose dogged persistence has exposed a cornucopia of corruption associated with contracts like Halliburton’s. Yet, if the history of the Iraq contracts so far is any indication, that’s about as much as can be read into the policy.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/07/21/halliburtons_hella_good_deal.php

anyway that is the real and what happened to halliburton\







NorthernGent -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/8/2007 3:28:23 AM)

The below has been common knowledge for a long time:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132574.ece

In terms of the OP, sounds a bit fanciful Susan, especially when considering that the system is in chaos - who's going to regulate revenue to ensure the Iraqis get a fair crack of the whip?




popeye1250 -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/8/2007 8:45:10 AM)

What? BP, Shell and Exxon Mobil will be pumping oil out of Iraq for decades to come?
What about the "Peak Oilers?"
Does this mean they're full of shit?




SusanofO -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/8/2007 9:51:34 AM)

Northern Gent (and everyone): Well, I found it hard to swallow whoelsale as a total solution myself. But it was brought up on the McNeil-Lehrer hour on tv, as just that. I just thought it might be interesting to discuss.

I am not all that well-versed in the ins and outs of their economic situation in Iraq, but I think it might help a bit, actually, for them to export more rugs. I was slightly thrown by the idea it seemed to be proposed as some overall solution to the economic situation in Iraq. It's possible I mis-perceived what was said on the show, but that idea seemed a bit weird to me, yes.

I mean, maybe over decades, or something, developing them as a bigger export, yeah - but immediately this will solve a whole, whole lot? I have my doubts about that, too. 

Still, I might be game to buy one (or more) of their rugs (I do like Oriental rugs). And right now, they are going for really low, LOW, LOw, Low prices. Really and truly. Order yours NOW, NOw, Now, now...and save yourself big $$$.

But Hey - mostly, they're really nice-looking rugs. So maybe stock up for Christmas, or Ramadan - or whatever. They could use the $$ - and IMO, it's partly, if not mostly, our fault they are in this whole mess to begin with. 
 
**I appreciate all of the knowledgable contributions by posters on the oil situation over there (I need to read up more on this, I am not that well-versed. Good info. to know).

- Susan




SimplyMichael -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/8/2007 11:53:10 AM)

The problem with Iraq's economy is the neocons instituted their fantasy of a neoliberal economy and as anyone who isn't a nutcase knows, it imploded their fucking economy.




mnottertail -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/8/2007 11:56:38 AM)

Supply and demand, bud.

Supply it like we demand.   How could that possibly get fucked up?


NeoConDom




NorthernGent -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/8/2007 3:27:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Still, I might be game to buy one (or more) of their rugs (I do like Oriental rugs). And right now, they are going for really low, LOW, LOw, Low prices. Really and truly. Order yours NOW, NOw, Now, now...and save yourself big $$$.



Susan, they need some footage of someone flying around on one of these magic carpets, then they're onto something.  I'll be game enough for one - change profession to pilot, charge a fortune for sightseeing tours and taxi rides etc. I'll call it enterprise, rather than exploitation.

Credit where it's due though, sounds like their hearts are in the right place.

Will you be stocking up, then?





SusanofO -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/8/2007 3:51:18 PM)

Well yeah, I think I am going to try to buy one. I hope they don't totally screw up the shipping process if I do (Iraq is a long way away from the state of Nebraska).

They cost something like $5 for an 8' x 10', via some stores. No kidding.
Now that is a low price, my friend.

- Susan




popeye1250 -> RE: Finally...a decent economic solution for Iraq (4/8/2007 4:52:07 PM)

Susan, I don't think those are "real" ones.
Mine was appraised for $19,600 in 1994.
I don't know what it's worth now.




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