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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/19/2005 5:30:00 PM   
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well it is a symbol, long hair is more to some femenine and delicate while short hair more signify a tomgirl. Many may wiew it like this, just like when in that horror movie we just know the man in dark robes is the bad guy.

Really? Do you have any data to prove this? This is the most stereotypical thing I've heard here in a long time.

Where do you get this stuff?

L


Oh Dear Lily...I am Laughing Soooo Damn Hard...
I am Still wiping tears...

Hahahahaha.....


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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/19/2005 6:03:22 PM   
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Why was Lily's post funny? I wasn't sure what her problem with nella's post was in the first place, because nella made a point to indicate it may be seen that way by some. She did not state it as a hard fact.

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/19/2005 6:33:23 PM   
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*grins* I'm chatting to a guy on Yahoo now who is a sub and when I said I was one as well he not so subtly asked me if I would consider switching!
I explained that I might consider dominating another woman but it definitely was not in me to dominate a man.

He's still chatting to me so it obviously wasn't that big a deal!

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/19/2005 7:14:01 PM   
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Why was Lily's post funny? I wasn't sure what her problem with nella's post was in the first place, because nella made a point to indicate it may be seen that way by some. She did not state it as a hard fact.



Heck, there -have- been studies done about gender perception. Longer hair generally causes a perception of increaced femininty. Of course there are exceptions, but that -is- a general trend. Ditto with shorter hair.

Actually, shorter hair in women was -also- considered representative of non-hetero sexual orientation as well.

(I think this was a study done by Stanford. I researched physical presentations of gender for a paper last term, and have a variety of sources to support my claims, but I'd have to dig the cites up. Suffice to say, they exist.)

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/19/2005 8:07:39 PM   
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Heck, there -have- been studies done about gender perception. Longer hair generally causes a perception of increaced femininty. Of course there are exceptions, but that -is- a general trend. Ditto with shorter hair.

Actually, shorter hair in women was -also- considered representative of non-hetero sexual orientation as well.


I am not sure of the studies supporting this view, (my lack of a gender studies course hurts me here) but I think you are right. Long hair is stereotypically feminine and so short hair could be seen as un-feminine.... and by extension non-heterosexual and non-submissive (and whatever ever else a stereotypically feminine person is).

I think these stereotypes have less hold on us today, but they still have cultural strength. And could explain why perverseangelic was flooded with emails expecting her to be dominant when she switched photos to one with short hair.

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 12:11:14 AM   
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Why was Lily's post funny? I wasn't sure what her problem with nella's post was in the first place, because nella made a point to indicate it may be seen that way by some. She did not state it as a hard fact.

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Why is Anything Funny to someone? It just is....and their reparte' struck me as Very Funny.

Comedy is Not Pretty.....

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Why was Lily's post funny? I wasn't sure what her problem with nella's post was in the first place, because nella made a point to indicate it may be seen that way by some. She did not state it as a hard fact.

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 4:58:57 AM   
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Long hair is stereotypically feminine and so short hair could be seen as un-feminine....


I found this very true for me, after having to cut my long hair into a bob when my cats knocked over a candle and set fire to it...

I don't like having short hair. I can't wait til it grows out again. I feel less feminine, less sexy, and... *shudders* older!!!!

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that Master won't decide he likes it better this way...

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 5:42:39 AM   
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On topic comment:

Ditto to what's already been said. Part of it is simply "throw the net as far as you can and see what you drag up" Same as male doms emailing collared subs and subs that are obviously not for them.

Part of it might very well be the added humiliation. One of my hottest fantasies involves having to have sex with a gay sub male with LthrEdge standing over us talking about how humiliating it is for us both. The logic doesn't really follow to emailing a sub who doesn't identify as a switch, but logic rarely happens on personals sites.

Off topic comment:

I am fascinated with how the over-exagerrated feminine form is displayed in bdsm, the corset to accentuate the hips and waist and breasts, boots and heels to accentuate the legs and feet, hair (both removal and excessive growth) to accentuate overall femininity and youth.

I personally think most people should get their hair re-styled every 5 years at least to keep up with their own appearance and styles overall. It's very unattractive to me to see someone with hair to their waist but have the last 4 inches be nothing but a frizzy uneven split-ended mess. Not that people have to change their looks to suit me...I just think hair maintenence should be as important as clothes maintenence.

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 8:34:30 AM   
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It's very unattractive to me to see someone with hair to their waist but have the last 4 inches be nothing but a frizzy uneven split-ended mess. Not that people have to change their looks to suit me...I just think hair maintenence should be as important as clothes maintenence.



Agreed. I'm growing my hair out again (because I miss braids, but that's another story) and I'm shooting for past my waist again. I learned, though, it just looks dumb if the ends are scragly and ugly. Having short hair has impressed on me how nice trimmed hair is.

Though...I love having short hair because it's the first time in my life I've read as something OTHER than simply hetero. It's nice to get physically read as what I am. Not because I derive my identity from others, but because it feels good to be "recognized" now that I'm comfortable inmy skin so to speak.

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 10:07:56 AM   
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I can't help you with the question directed to femsubs, but I can speak to your other one.

Domination comes in all flavors. In our circle, you've seen only the loving relationships because that is what we have in our chapter of Club FEm. Not all are that way. Some can appear very destructive to the outsider, with the Domme apparently (and maybe in reality) disrespecting the sub and using him without regard to his needs or feelings. While that seems alien to us, it can be something someone else needs or craves. One of the things we get to do in BDSM is accept other's way of doing things. Someone who feels the need to be locked in the closet and ignored for a period of time may feel very loved by that activity, while it might leave you shaking your head, asking what is wrong with that person. In return, that person might wonder why you DON'T enjoy the closet, but instead prefer to render personal service. We don't have to understand the motivations. As long as people remain in the bounds of Safe, Sane and Consensual, their kink is ok.

Did you enjoy meeting Lady Ahyla the other day? Awesome woman isn't she! Did you realize one of her main fetishes is scat? I may say eww to that fetish, but I highly respect and admire Lady Ahyla. I accept her fetish, even though I'd never be involved in. Just because it isn't my thing, or is something I consider dirty, doesn't make it wrong. Because we're all a little warped in the mind of the vanilla people of the world, we tolerate each others kinks and ways of doing things. This includes things that seem cruel or mean. We are not able to judge the relationship from the outside.

Some Dominants want to be serviced, including sexual fulfillment; some get their pleasure from reducing a submissive to a quivering ball of pain. Some want to control every aspect of the sub's life and yet others want the sub to totally take care of them and see to the Dominant's every need. There are Dominants who get their charge from humiliating men, hurting them and degrading them. Others like the tease, deny and orgasm control route. None of those are going to be a loving relationship unless both parties wish it. You can have a D/s relationship with just friendship or adoration from his side as the foundation. While those would never satisfy me (or you I think) they work wonderfully for some people.

Over the next few days spike, I'd like you to read The Difference between BDSM and Abuse and Stages in the Development of Erotic Power Exchange. Also, scan the Celebrate Male Submission FAQ and see what it has to offer. I think those might help you settle some questions in your mind and bring new ones to the forefront.



Hi Ms Beach

I missed your posting yesterday. I got the cast off of my foot and was scrubing and cleaning my car. it has been sitting for weeks. it is really nice to be mobile. i certainly get a thrill from drving my Posche. peddle to the metal and moving right along. really looks much better after all of the scrubbing.

I have lived a sheltered life, pretty much all of the time that i have been on this planet. I guess that my life within the BDSM community is not any different. Personally i want a loving Female Dominated relationship, but upon reading your post i must agree that there will be many types of relationships within the framework of the BDSM community.

I have been studying hard on this type of relationship. My time being laid up in bed has been well spent. I know soo much more than i did that day G saw me collared and talking to MsL and later walked up and ordered me to take that thing off. She called it cheep, the first collar i ever made (at my fashion designer friends studio) a simple leather collar with studs and a chain attached. Being lead around by a chain was a fantasy which we had discussed. I am glad that the group decided that i was innocent, but i still feel like a worm. Plus the Doc said that my foot is 90% healed.

I just received another text on the subject of FemDomme relationships - "Female Domination: An exploration of the male desire for Loving Female Authority" by Elise Sutton. Here is a link to her Web site: http://www.elisesutton.homestead.com/Main.html
I will certainly read the three articles that you posted, and post my feelings.

I certainly liked meeting Lady Ahyla. We talked a lot during the munch and the play party. She and DB make a cool couple. Actually it was Lady Ahyla who collared me for the evening. Again me on my knees with the collar raised above my head before she firmly attached the collar around my neck followed by a simple bow and a kiss to the top of the foot. I think that scat is one of her favorite fetishes. At the munch i noted to her the way her eyes would light up when she was talking about the subject. She is certainly pertty cool.

spike

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 10:10:45 AM   
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Don't worry, baby. You look great now, but I loooove long hair!

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Long hair is stereotypically feminine and so short hair could be seen as un-feminine....


I found this very true for me, after having to cut my long hair into a bob when my cats knocked over a candle and set fire to it...

I don't like having short hair. I can't wait til it grows out again. I feel less feminine, less sexy, and... *shudders* older!!!!

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that Master won't decide he likes it better this way...


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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 10:50:48 AM   
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It's very unattractive to me to see someone with hair to their waist but have the last 4 inches be nothing but a frizzy uneven split-ended mess


Agreed.... long hair needs taking care of. Conditioning the ends and cutting of the splits, definitely, I don't know about having it restyled every 5 years, to me it's more of a constant maintainance and observation thing. Like filing your nails and reapplying polish when it chips, or changing when you spill that ohh so yummy chocolate milkshake all over your white fleece.

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 10:57:44 AM   
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Agreed.... long hair needs taking care of. Conditioning the ends and cutting of the splits, definitely, I don't know about having it restyled every 5 years, to me it's more of a constant maintainance and observation thing. Like filing your nails and reapplying polish when it chips, or changing when you spill that ohh so yummy chocolate milkshake all over your white fleece.

For me it's just a need as we age, our overall body shape and look changes. While there are "classic styles," they often need to be updated, or if you got a trendy style, it's definitely "aged" in a few years and makes one look out of touch and dated.

We generally don't and shouldn't wear the same style of clothes at 25 than we did at 15 or 20 and we shouldn't wear the same style of clothes at 30 or 40 either. Times change, styles change, we change, our perspectives change. Our clothes and hair and overall look should reflect it flawlessly.

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/20/2005 12:18:35 PM   
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There was one time i went for a femsub...she and i actually met at a party where we both submitted to the same two dommes...and we hit it off for awhile...figuring out who would try and top who made things very confusing for both of us...and while we did stay sexual, and greatly so, for a few months afterwards, our need to submit was what ultimately did us in...sometimes the answer is as simple as we want the most what is hardest to achieve.

That's my two cents anyway.


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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/23/2005 5:13:41 PM   
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i'm new to all this, and find myself in this situation every time i go to CollarMe's chatroom.

All this attention is bringing out a Switchy side that i didn't know i had...but...i run into very few male subs that i feel the instinct/urge to Top. i only really get into it *blushes* with one...with another i experience no arousal at all but get a lot of satisfaction and security out of it (He's a Dom). i could really get into it a lot more if He didn't need so much humiliation.

i try to go with some of this to find out who i am, but the only way i've ever loved in the past has been in a very subbie way, lol. On these boards, i've heard that a lot of us start off as subs and either stay that way or become Switches or Dom/mes, so i'm tring not to let self-doubt or confusion or shame paralyze me into giving up this exploration of what i really want.

The male subs that come to me all have the same basic story...they can't get a Domme's attention...so they are basically trolling new fem subs hoping that one of us will "grow up" to be a Switch or a Domme. i drop ones immediately that don't wish to become friends first, or who won't take my suggestion to read the wizdomme.com newbie packet...they're not worth wasting my time on and are probably just a wanker. Not that being a wanker is bad...they just need to find OTHER wankers to play with *smiles*.

Oh, thank You all so much for listing these links. i've saved every one of them and will carefully study to learn from them. Sometimes i feel i will NEVER understand this need most male subs have for being humiliated and get a sexual kick from it. i like teasing them, taunting them a little, and definitely the orgasm control has a lot of appeal...but the other stuff... i'm glad to hear that it's not a prerequisite, lol.

Oh, i have long hair down to my waist, and i'm going to cry like a baby someday when i lose it all. (i will definitely feel less feminine.)

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/23/2005 6:10:09 PM   
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who won't take my suggestion to read the wizdomme.com newbie packet...


Coool site, I have not ckecked but is there Venus in Furs?

little spike

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/24/2005 1:18:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cynthiamarie

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who won't take my suggestion to read the wizdomme.com newbie packet...


Coool site, I have not ckecked but is there Venus in Furs?

little spike


I finally found a site having "Venus in Furs" by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch from where we get the term masochist.....

http://www.farid-hajji.net/nc/books/en/Sacher-Masoch_Leopold_Von/vf-all.html

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/25/2005 8:09:53 AM   
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I also have it (Venus in Furs) in the files of my Yahoo group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beachs_Dominion/

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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/25/2005 8:25:27 PM   
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I also have it (Venus in Furs) in the files of my Yahoo group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beachs_Dominion/


Hi Ms Beach

Venus in Furs is a classic book. Leopold describes so much and is the basis for so much. I have not read much of this classic yet as i am reading Female Domination by Elise Sutton. A fine book which explains so much.

With the help of my new book, well plus others,,,, As i have just realized, I am a sexually submissive male. Shit before i was wishing there was a cure. Somebody already asked and i think that i am just ashamed of being weak. But i am making progress forward both about being open about this and accepting it. Actually accepting this was the hardest thing, for me.

My loves have returned to my life. Ms L invited me to serve her again. And I was able to serve Goddess S last night at the fetish night. She and a friend were into corporal punishiment on a slave but i was happy to serve her again. Blessed BDSM.......


respectfully
little spike


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RE: male subs wanting female subs to top them. - 4/26/2005 4:46:33 AM   
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well it is a symbol, long hair is more to some femenine and delicate while short hair more signify a tomgirl. Many may wiew it like this, just like when in that horror movie we just know the man in dark robes is the bad guy.


What??? Nah. Not really. I think hair length has nothing to do with this at all. Whether I have long hair, or short hair (shudders at the thought of losing her long blond locks), I will always remain one seriously twisted Domme bitch.

*smiles sweetly*

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