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"Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 3:31:00 PM   
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By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
23 minutes ago

"Obama, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, will take part in a different debate hosted by the CBC Institute and CNN in January.

"CNN seemed like a more appropriate host," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said.

Obama's decision comes three days after former Sen. John Edwards, another Democratic presidential candidate, announced he was pulling out of the Fox-sponsored debate.

Without Edwards or Obama, the debate would lack two marquee contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070409/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_debate

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 3:46:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think that is fantastic news!!  Sorry i just cannot tolerate fox news.

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 3:54:32 PM   
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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 3:57:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		From a strategic point of view, I find it intersting that Obama is refusing to address people from "the other side". If he wants to portray  himself as a "leader of all America", it shouldn't behoove him to shun certain groups -and Fox does have a rather large following.

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 4:00:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think It is fine to skip the Fox broadcast....Why give Fox the chance, if even for one night, as protraying themselves as a credible news source.

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 4:15:11 PM   
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I think It is fine to skip the Fox broadcast....Why give Fox the chance, if even for one night, as protraying themselves as a credible news source.




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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 4:17:41 PM   
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From a strategic point of view, I find it intersting that Obama is refusing to address people from "the other side". If he wants to portray  himself as a "leader of all America", it shouldn't behoove him to shun certain groups -and Fox does have a rather large following.


I agree.

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 4:17:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tuomas

From a strategic point of view, I find it intersting that Obama is refusing to address people from "the other side". If he wants to portray  himself as a "leader of all America", it shouldn't behoove him to shun certain groups -and Fox does have a rather large following.


It's interesting how desperate Democrats have become to try to label FOX NEWS, the cable news leader, as something other than mainstream 

If it doesn't run through France I guess it just ain't mainstream to them

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 4:24:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I think It is fine to skip the Fox broadcast....Why give Fox the chance, if even for one night, as protraying themselves as a credible news source.


Yes it would be terrible if people had to see Senator Obama operate in an environment with the potential of having adversarial questions posed. That isn't something anyone should be interested in regarding a potential top office seeker. Must all reporters at news conferences be pre-screened for asking only questions he is prepared to answer? Will he only allow those who only think and believe as he does to serve in his Cabinet?

Maybe if he gets elected he'll follow through with the desires of those here wanting to eliminate the sound of any conflicting viewpoint. I imagine most of the politicians would prefer a constituent where "good intentions" met reelection criteria instead of pointing to the failure of results. Without a source to point out the failures our country could be bankrupted by "good intent".

Cowards and hypocrites expose themselves more by what they won't do versus what they do. The poles have very limited populations on both sides because by their very nature they are inhospitable. Who, living closer to the equator on either side, wants silence and aversion from anyone wanting to lead them after these last eight years?

If Nickelodeon, BET, LOGO, or the KKK channel if one existed, wanted to ask questions to ascertain your position on issues what is to be feared? Have our candidates become so enamored with the technology of the internet in that, as some do here, they suffer "pain" at a written word of disagreement, carrying it forward to the spoken word?

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 4:37:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've watched both CNN and Fox, and neither has "news". But I do find it very interesting how a certain group -or groups- are targeting Fox (although you have to admit that claiming "fair and ballanced" was like pinning a "kick me" sign on their back). Even so, attacking a medium of information is usually a last-ditch atempt at denial.

Any media which is honest and "fair" will recieve criticism, simply because some bits will agree with one side, and some won't. Whether or not Fox or CNN are "slanted" is really immaterial, I think. They are simply two sides of an issue. If one side refuses to listen to the other....

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 4:44:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cowards and Hypocrites are what Fox has built an empire upon....Why give Fox the chance to host a fair and balanced debate?...That is the tag line right?  I have no problem with candidates answering the hard questions.

the people who watch FOX do not want to hear the answers to those "hard questions" or else they would never be watching this network.

This is why the Surgeon General should advise that watching FOX is not good for your brain....So much for they provide the news you decide....Boneheads watch this "NEWS"

http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=20438


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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 5:03:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since so many people don't consider Fox News to be a credible outlet, why bother?

I wonder why, say, the League of Woman Voters don't just invite people to some local theater, and then have CSPAN-3 cover it?

Is it appropriate for a supposed News station to be SPONSORING the debate in the first place? Seems they can't do an honest job reporting on it if they've got a conflict of interest in presenting and profiting from it.

"Appearance of Impropriety" ring a bell?

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 5:05:37 PM   
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Cowards and Hypocrites are what Fox has built an empire upon....Why give Fox the chance to host a fair and balanced debate?...That is the tag line right?  I have no problem with candidates answering the hard questions.

the people who watch FOX do not want to hear the answers to those "hard questions" or else they would never be watching this network.

This is why the Surgeon General should advise that watching FOX is not good for your brain....So much for they provide the news you decide....Boneheads watch this "NEWS"
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=20438 


Wouldn't know - don't watch it.

Are you saying that FOX will have the ability to manipulate any candidates answer on a live broadcast? That's all the people watching would be subject, or would they push the 'mute' button after the talking heads ask their editorialized and slanted question and smirk at the candidate being uncomfortable in answering. I get it, it would be a bar full of "Archie Bunker" types muting the sound and imitating the voices of the candidates until the talking head gives them another slanted question. Is that how you see the control of FOX news? Maybe there should be an organized boycott.

Stopped watching all the "news" sources when they started to call editorializing news. In this case I would watch the candidates, their answers, and just as important their reaction to challenge. I don't need a talking head to form an opinion.

I read news for that very reason. The only "slant" comes from my interpretation, and I try my best to be pragmatic about it.

No problem with candidates answering hard questions? Okay - but you do support those avoiding the prospect?

I'm hoping to be able to vote for Senator Obama. His, and all candidates taking this position regarding any network, will be consider a factor against him.

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 5:30:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder about the wisdom of this strategy.  Why not appear
and answer the questions?  Now there are 3 major contenders
who will not appear on Fox; Clinton, Edwards and Obama.
 
The fall out could go either way on this strategy.
 
 

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 5:35:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Since so many people don't consider Fox News to be a credible outlet, why bother?

I wonder why, say, the League of Woman Voters don't just invite people to some local theater, and then have CSPAN-3 cover it?

Is it appropriate for a supposed News station to be SPONSORING the debate in the first place? Seems they can't do an honest job reporting on it if they've got a conflict of interest in presenting and profiting from it.

"Appearance of Impropriety" ring a bell?


I agree. Since it is apparent that the people who "rely' on Fox for their news or most likely to be "wrong" on the issues...I think I will drink heavily in lieu of watching

Might put that "wake and bake" theory of yours to the test....lol

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 5:36:47 PM   
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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 5:54:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

I wonder about the wisdom of this strategy.  Why not appear
and answer the questions?  Now there are 3 major contenders
who will not appear on Fox; Clinton, Edwards and Obama.
 
The fall out could go either way on this strategy.
 
 


If the three major candidates all have declined Fox's debate then what fallout could there be?  i think they are taking a common sense approach to not wanting to be shown on a network which isn't "fair and balanced".  If they appear on that network then who really benefits monetarily?    i believe it would only be the network.

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 6:27:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Since so many people don't consider Fox News to be a credible outlet, why bother?

I wonder why, say, the League of Woman Voters don't just invite people to some local theater, and then have CSPAN-3 cover it?

Is it appropriate for a supposed News station to be SPONSORING the debate in the first place? Seems they can't do an honest job reporting on it if they've got a conflict of interest in presenting and profiting from it.

"Appearance of Impropriety" ring a bell?


I dont consider CNN or MSNBC to be very credible either. In fact, I don't really think any of the news networks are credible. Every single one of them has a bias.

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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 6:33:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Like I said, C-SPAN3....

I'm pretty sure most people don't have any complaints against C-SPAN...



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RE: "Obama to skip Fox-sponsored debate" - 4/9/2007 7:13:13 PM   
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I wonder about the wisdom of this strategy.  Why not appear and answer the questions?  Now there are 3 major contenders who will not appear on Fox; Clinton, Edwards and Obama.


It strikes me, a partisan Dem, as a mistake, for it makes them look, as Merc pointed out, scared of hard questions. Not an appealing quality in a potential president.

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