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Catheters - 4/10/2007 1:39:36 PM   
subsnow


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Status: offline 		my Dom has a diaper fetish so He has me wear them quite often. Since He introduced them to me, i have been gaining interest in AB/DL. W/we were thinking about how to make me dependent on them and W/we came up with catheters or hypnotizing.

Does anyone have any experience with catheters?
Do they hurt? If so, when?
Can anyone offer any advice or opinions on them?

i have done some research on them so i know about the risks. i am just wondering how likely it is for those things to happen. i've talked to a couple of people about them and they suggested that W/we refrain from using them unless i have professional medical support. What do you think?
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RE: Catheters - 4/10/2007 1:45:16 PM   
slcsub


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Status: offline 		I've used them as a male and they do hurt for obvious reasons. I suspect it's somewhat similar for a female.

It is, however, very erotic to have the ability to relieve yourself taken from your control (IMO). But I really enjoy medical play so that could have something to do with it.

It isn't inherently dangerous, per se but caution is advised. You can get an infection if you don't sterilize and take proper care. Thus the recommendation of medical training, I suspect. If you have a source for catheters online and make sure to properly sterilize I doubt you'd have any problems. At the least you should try it once to see what it is like, I would think.

I've also spent several years looking to hypnotism and BDSM if that's a conversation you'd like to have at some point.

(Quickie question, what is AB/DL?)

Regards,
- don

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RE: Catheters - 4/10/2007 2:12:30 PM   
subsnow


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Status: offline 		AB/DL stands for Adult Baby/Diaper Lover. my Dom likes it because He enjoys taking control and taking care of me. i like it because i give up that control and i feel taken care of and loved.

A question for you slcsub, when does it hurt? Putting it in? Taking it out? While it's in? Also, did you ever get an infection from it? How long did you wear it and how did you take care of it? This is the kind of information i'm looking for from others who've tried it as well.

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RE: Catheters - 4/10/2007 2:17:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subsnow
A question for you slcsub, when does it hurt? Putting it in? Taking it out? While it's in? Also, did you ever get an infection from it? How long did you wear it and how did you take care of it? This is the kind of information i'm looking for from others who've tried it as well.
It hurt (stung) putting the catheter up the urethra. Penetrating the bladder was fine. Taking it out burned but not too badly. While it's in it did not hurt and was quite erotic (for the obvious reasons).

No infection; only had the catheter in for several hours. If you keep it clean I think you can go days. Most catheter sets come with a lubricant/sterilization gell that you use to insert the catheter up into the urethra. Then a solution to inflate the bulb so that the catheter can not be removed by the patient. But I suspect you know this having done your research.

I enjoyed the experience but, as with most things, is probably not for everyone.

Regards,
- don

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RE: Catheters - 4/10/2007 2:46:24 PM   
maybemaybenot


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Status: offline 		If you are going toleave the catheter in for days, you do not want to just have it hanging out of you. You will want to connect it to a continuous drainage system or leg bag < sterile> If you leave the catheter open and not connected to a closed collection system you are putting yourself at very high risk for infection.
< in the case of leaving it in more than a few hours >

I have been catheterized a few times and * my experience * was that it did not hurt going in or comig out, more of a very unusual unpleasant sensation. While it was in I think it hurt like hell. I had the constant feeling of having to go to the bathroom. I knew my bladder was empty, but it felt like it was in need of emptying.

In my nursing experience, I have heard everything form "severe pain to nothing at all". I guess it depends on whose putting it in and how your body reacts to a foriegn object in your urethra.

If you or your Dominant do not have any experience or idea of what you are doing, I would suggest you read up on it before doing it, perhaps get a demo. The female urethra is very short and that is one reason we are much more prone to infection from catheters. The bacteria has a lesser distance to travel. If the person inserting it is rough or is not well read/ taught/shown, there is a chance of bladder perforation.

Youtube has a couple of videos on the procedure  if you want to take a peek. You need to have an account or establish an account.. then type in female catheterization.

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RE: Catheters - 4/11/2007 4:41:56 AM   
subtill


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Status: offline 		and how is this for men? i think its nearly the same,if you are not taken steril katheter. and if its steril how long you can wear it,its possible to wear a katheter togeather with a chastaty, then you neednt open the Chasterty. But how long is this allwright ,not to get infections?

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RE: Catheters - 4/11/2007 5:21:20 AM   
maybemaybenot


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Status: offline 		The absolute answer is this: From the moment you introduce the catheter < or any foriegn object> into the urethra, you run the risk of infection, the longer it stays in the higher the risk is. If you leave it in not connected to a closed system the risk increases tremendously.

Having said that: It is not an unsafe * activity*. As with everything we do, there are risks. It is dependent on the individuals to determine the degree of risk they are willing to take.

My own personal risk threshold for such an activity is low, and I would not leave one in for more than an hour or two for play purposes. I would also make sure the person inserting it was taught or experienced in this area.

As for the difference between men and women: A mans urethra is significantly longer than a womans, so the bacteria has to travel a further ditance, hence slightly lowering the infection rate. Left unattached to a closed drainage system for a long period of time, the risk is about the same.

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RE: Catheters - 4/11/2007 7:17:48 AM   
softness


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Status: offline 		has been catheterised for medical purposes ...was uncomfortable but easily bearable, 

this is just some additional info from a very sound source ... not that you haven;t  done your homework but its always good to crosscheck them...  this is all from my brother .. a kink aware doctor ... his information is always sound and fair, he gives it to his own sister after all *s*

its a very big risk and really shouldn't be done unless the person doing it is medically trained and certified, this is important because a med will be able to spot potential problems .... it must be completed and sustained in a sanitary environment which is much harder than it sounds (MRSA figures through catheterisation would show that) any nurse will tell you that keeping a wound clean is hard enough .. a catheter site is placed in a wound care category .... sustained use of a catheter and frequent repetition of usage would compound rather than reduce risks and discomfort.

obviously it is possible to reduce risk to a minimal degree .... but there is always a risk of a dangerous infection or damage ... only you can weigh that against the pleasure you would get from it

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RE: Catheters - 4/11/2007 8:50:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Make sure you use sterile lube when inserting.  It makes it less painful and helps with keeping things clean all the way in.  As said above, either clip catheter shut to build up urine or connect to bag, it keeps bacteria out and things safer.

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RE: Catheters - 4/11/2007 9:24:59 AM   
clover


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quote:

ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

If you are going toleave the catheter in for days, you do not want to just have it hanging out of you. You will want to connect it to a continuous drainage system or leg bag < sterile> If you leave the catheter open and not connected to a closed collection system you are putting yourself at very high risk for infection.
< in the case of leaving it in more than a few hours >

This is what I would worry about too. In the hospital, we sometimes use open caths to drain urine straight out of the body into an open container, but it's a temporary measure to relieve urinary retention...and the catheter is in for all of one minute before being removed. If a catheter is going to be used for any length of time, a closed drainage system is used. And even with the closed system, risk of infection is high and gets even higher the longer it's used.
Nurses aren't even supposed to handle the end of an open catheter without sterile gloves on. Even the open drainage container used in those instances are sterile and thrown away directly after. Leaving that open end in an unsterile diaper (which, even if it was sterile, stopped being so as soon as it touched your skin) is pretty risky. All of us have e coli in our colons, and some of it inevitably manages to travel out and up at times, regardless of how clean we try to be.
BossySSBBW mentioned clipping the catheter shut. I don't think it's the best option, but it might be better than just leaving it open if you're opposed to the collection bag. The one problem I see with it is that you would need to unclip it to drain the urine fairly frequently to keep it from backing up too much, which can cause its own set of problems. There would still be a high risk of infection with continued use.
The hypnosis idea sounds interesting. I've never had experience with it myself, but it might at least be worth a shot before trying catheterization.
All that being said...I'm sure I might have a fantasy I'd risk a trip to the doc and a round of antibiotics for. If you decide to go ahead with it, just be aware of the symptoms of UTIs and bladder infections so you can be on the lookout.

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RE: Catheters - 4/11/2007 11:46:28 AM   
stockingluvr54


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Status: offline 		My only experience with a cathater was in the hospital while they rebuilt my leg from a mc wreck. Can't remember how long they had me on the thing but they did change the tube regularly and most I remember is that it hurt when taking it out...not too bad but it hurt abit....course I was doped up all the time too.......

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RE: Catheters - 4/11/2007 12:14:15 PM   
maybemaybenot


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BossySSBBW

Make sure you use sterile lube when inserting.  It makes it less painful and helps with keeping things clean all the way in.  As said above, either clip catheter shut to build up urine or connect to bag, it keeps bacteria out and things safer.


Clipping or clamping the catheter shut will not stop bacteria from entering the tube and migrating into the bladder. Bacteria is microscopic and can " squeak" in. And once the clamp/clip is released, if any of the bacteria is still alive, it will quickly begin it's migration process. If you choose to clip it, theopening should be wrapped in a sterile 4x4 gauze and tightly secured. Rubber bands work well. Upon releasing the clamp, wipe the opening of the cath with an alcohol swab. This will reduce infection risks.

Sterile lube is as important as sterile catheter and drainage bag. All thses items can be purchased at any medical supply store or online. Generally you buy an insertion kit and a catheter, the insertion kit has all you need to do procedure. Betadine swabs to clean meatus, sterile glves, sterile lube, sterile syringe of normal saline to inflate the balloon.
                   mbmbn

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RE: Catheters - 4/11/2007 4:13:54 PM   
subsa


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Status: offline 		besides the risk of infection there is also risk with the insertion and removal.  if not done correctly you could sustain damage to your urethra or bladder.  risk level here is high.  perhaps you could think of alternative ways for Him to take control in this area.  one couple i know use this technique:  she must always ask for permission to go.  He usually denies first request but asks her to rank her need (1-10 scale).  He loves to do this in front of as many people as possible.  often there must be unanimous agreement from the group for her to be allowed to relieve herself and there is usually at least one hold out for a level 10.  sometimes she's allowed to go but must have an audience.  sometimes she's allowed to go but it must be outside.  other times she must consume 'X' amount of liquid more before she's allowed to go.  just some alternative ideas. 
if you and He are set to do this remember...sterile everything at all times ; and everything that comes into contact with the tube must also be sterile.  he should go slowly and practice.  he should negotiate a tube through something smaller than the diameter of a pencil with no visual cues knowing its not always a straight shot.  He should know when to stop by feel. 

good luck and please be careful. 

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