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"Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/12/2007 1:25:46 PM   
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"Turkish army seeks OK for Iraq raids"
 
By SELCAN HACAOGLU, Associated Press Writer
33 minutes ago

"ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey's military asked the government Thursday to approve attacks on Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq, signaling growing frustration over a lack of action against the guerrillas by Iraqi and U.S. forces.

Such action could put an overstretched U.S. military in the middle of a fight between two crucial partners, the Turks and the Iraqi Kurds, and Washington urged Turkish restraint. A recent surge in Kurdish attacks in southeastern Turkey has increased the pressure on Turkey's military to act."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_kurds;_ylt=Ar0Ius0UgpyuQBAt9B8ceN5vaA8F

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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/12/2007 1:37:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes - those scumbag Kurds are always causing trouble for the Turks.

Imagine! The Turkish state denies them any rights whatsoever and imprisons them for speaking out against it, and the Kurds instead of knowing their place, undertake acts of terrorism in a misguided attempt to assert themselves when theyre so obviously second class people, possible subhumans. A bit like those pesky Armenians, and we all dont talk about what happened to them in front of our Turkish allies.

But yet again, it all goes back to the end of WWI and the French and us Brits drawing pretty lines on maps and so dispossessing an entire nation and condemning it to be an underclass wherever the borders lay.

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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/12/2007 8:48:02 PM   
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Yes - those scumbag Kurds are always causing trouble for the Turks.

Imagine! The Turkish state denies them any rights whatsoever and imprisons them for speaking out against it, and the Kurds instead of knowing their place, undertake acts of terrorism in a misguided attempt to assert themselves when theyre so obviously second class people, possible subhumans. A bit like those pesky Armenians, and we all dont talk about what happened to them in front of our Turkish allies.



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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/12/2007 9:29:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please excuse the profanity folks but, everytime I think this
huge clusterfuck in Iraq is the worst it is going to get, something
else happens to increase the disaster. 

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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/13/2007 6:18:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone who didn't see the Turk/Kurd war going Hot as a result of the Invasion and Occupation was blind.


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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/13/2007 6:56:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Anyone who didn't see the Turk/Kurd war going Hot as a result of the Invasion and Occupation was blind.



Spot on. Much of the impetus for keeping Iraq together as one entity is to prevent the Kurds in the north from finally having their own country, right on the border with a nation with which they have significant past history, and a nation which as a member of NATO is an ally of the US.

Imagine that. The Kurdish state, replete with oil revenues to build an army, gets into an open war with Turkey over all the injustice done to Kurds by the Turks on the other side of the border. A NATO country is attacked, the US must respond, except that the US is a friend of the Kurds (supposedly).... interesting.

V had exactly the right word in mind; Clusterfuck.

And as a side note; how in the world the EU could even be talking to Turkey about possible accession is amazing. Though these talks have now gone cold, I just dont see how a country like Turkey, whose laws are framed in such a way that Hitler might have been proud of them, can be considered alike with liberal western democracies such that it could join, is incredible to me. We may have our faults, but you dont get dispossessed here simply for being of another ethnic group and you dont get tortured and imprisoned for criticising the queen or the country.

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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/13/2007 6:57:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

the worst it is going to get


Famous last words ... don't jinx it.

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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/13/2007 7:01:17 AM   
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V had exactly the right word in mind; Clusterfuck.


Seems to describe a lot of things, lately.

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And as a side note; how in the world the EU could even be talking to Turkey about possible accession is amazing. Though these talks have now gone cold, I just dont see how a country like Turkey, whose laws are framed in such a way that Hitler might have been proud of them, can be considered alike with liberal western democracies such that it could join, is incredible to me.


Talking never did any harm. Signing stuff or acting may. Closing off communication is something you don't want to do unless you're going to war or something.

I very seriously doubt they would have been accepted into the EU without some very wide-sweeping changes, or at least a very clearly demonstrated intent to go through with such changes. If they aren't willing to do so, that would explain why the talks went cold, now, wouldn't it?


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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/13/2007 7:07:28 AM   
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I very seriously doubt they would have been accepted into the EU without some very wide-sweeping changes, or at least a very clearly demonstrated intent to go through with such changes. If they aren't willing to do so, that would explain why the talks went cold, now, wouldn't it?




Dont you believe it! We now have Romania in the EU - a country and nation which regards its gypsies as subhumans and treats them as such, whatever their laws might say.

The problem really is, that half of the EU see the organisation as a political entity and therefore want to grow by way of harmonisation of ideology, whilst the other half (UK included) see it as a trading bloc in which ideology is unimportant because commerce is all important.

Its only on account of those "awkward" continentals that see the EU as a political entity that talks failed. Naturally, these including the Germans and Austrians, its blamed on nazi Islamaphobia in the right wing British press (which is basically all of the British press).

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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/13/2007 12:18:54 PM   
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I don't mean not helping after that Tsunami in Asia but keeping out of foreign conflicts and doing away with "foreign aid."
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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/13/2007 1:57:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Please excuse the profanity folks but, everytime I think this
huge clusterfuck in Iraq is the worst it is going to get, something
else happens to increase the disaster. 


[sarcasm]

On a positive note, when the disaster increases, those friends of AnencephalyBoy and Shotgun get to raise gas prices.

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RE: "Trukish army seeks OK for Iraq raids" - 4/13/2007 1:58:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Anyone who didn't see the Turk/Kurd war going Hot as a result of the Invasion and Occupation was blind.



Are you questioning the vision and perceptive abilities of AnencephalyBoy and Shotgun?

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