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I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 10:18:26 AM   
Olias


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As a sub guy mainly into body worship I have predictably become adept at such tasks as foot, bottom and pussy worship & I am told that I am most satisfactory at all three but I am still not popular with ladies within the BDSM scene (the ones that I have been to find that is).

Please explain to me someone, If I am completely compliant in times of submission and if I perform my physical duties well then why is it that once a domme finds out that I am not looking for intercourse then I am dropped like a stone.

I thought BDSM was NOT about sex!!

My fantasy remains that I am available for the use, convenience and amusement of a lady, I am completely submissive, I attack my physical tasks with application and gusto and in finale, I seek nothing for myself, although this is, of course, the decision of the lady, and I am quite happy to be sent away once I have given the required service & hopefully pleasure so why, do many ladies run a mile simply because I want only this scenario & no intercourse.

Do many of the domme ladies need to feel tht their sub wants them?
Is the whole domme/sub thing based on the understaning that the sub wants sex & submits out of desperation for this.

Help me understand please.      

Where are all the domm ladies in the North-East?
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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 10:30:34 AM   
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Please explain to me someone, If I am completely compliant in times of submission and if I perform my physical duties well then why is it that once a domme finds out that I am not looking for intercourse then I am dropped like a stone.

How do you know they are running away because you are not looking for intercourse?  I have trouble believing they come right out and tell you that, or are you just assuming this? Maybe there is something else going on?   Not trying to be rude, just giving you some food for thought, i could honestly see some Dommes turned off by this, but not all of them.

As to where all the North East Dommes are, have you checked NY?  Ny,  particularly in the boroughs, has to be in the top 5 states in the U.S. for population of Dommes.  

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 10:42:25 AM   
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I'm not a Domme.
I can say as a woman if you went down on me then didn't have intercourse with me I'd be hard up and horny.
It would leave me thoroughly frustrated.
If there was no teasing pussy play involved at all I'd probably be OK.
For me to play some then draw lines just wouldn't do.
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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 11:06:18 AM   
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I cannot answer for everyone, but only for myself. I have to have sex in my play and that is because the play and power exchange makes me horny as hell. So my sub knows everytime we play he will have to perform sexually. Which is how he likes it as well.

Some people enjoy just service or play without sex, but for me it just doesn't work. I guess I am just a horny wench lol

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 11:13:00 AM   
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There are plenty of fem doms who seek a male for the exact role you describe...   I'm not one of them, because it is about domination, submission, and intimacy within my specifications, which for me include intercourse; but I've met several men who've said they've had relationships with women who never permitted intercourse...   So your thinking that it isn't is right for some people.     M

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 11:15:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Olias

As a sub guy mainly into body worship I have predictably become adept at such tasks as foot, bottom and pussy worship & I am told that I am most satisfactory at all three but I am still not popular with ladies within the BDSM scene (the ones that I have been to find that is).

Please explain to me someone, If I am completely compliant in times of submission and if I perform my physical duties well then why is it that once a domme finds out that I am not looking for intercourse then I am dropped like a stone.

I thought BDSM was NOT about sex!!

My fantasy remains that I am available for the use, convenience and amusement of a lady, I am completely submissive, I attack my physical tasks with application and gusto and in finale, I seek nothing for myself, although this is, of course, the decision of the lady, and I am quite happy to be sent away once I have given the required service & hopefully pleasure so why, do many ladies run a mile simply because I want only this scenario & no intercourse.

Do many of the domme ladies need to feel tht their sub wants them?
Is the whole domme/sub thing based on the understaning that the sub wants sex & submits out of desperation for this.

Help me understand please.      

Where are all the domm ladies in the North-East?


Bold emphasis Mine...
 
Well, the mental and emotional dynamic is not normally based upon the sexual activities.  Yet you emphasize that the activites you are submissive with and satisfactory in, such as bottom and pussy worship are important and seem to make up the whole of your offerings in a D/s or M/s relationship.  It sounds like these activites are what make up your ability to submit.    I realize you state you are mainly into body worship, but Methinks, this might be pretty much all you are into.  Examine yourself to see if you have an attitude regarding other areas of service.  Do you come across with an impatient and resentful attitude.  Are you only doing other limited areas of service in order to get to the "prize"?
Please look again at what you wrote.  I can only give My take on this., but I do feel that you are saying you are happy to be involved with oral sex and ass worship.  Throw in a little foot worship (Agreed that most Ladies do enjoy a good foot massage !  *Smile*) and you are content and expect to be sent away after you have disapatched these important duties.
You also state, quite clearly, that you are "completely compliant in times of submission".  What are "times of submission"?  You are supposed to be submissive at all times in all things. 
You may be having a problem bcause you seem to be viewing this as an opportunity (yes, I know you say you seek nothing for yourself) to participate in oral sex, and ass worship and you can provide some nice foot worship, but in other things, are you compliant also?  Are you even interested in a relationship?  A relationship that is based upon your submission at all times and in all circumstances to the Lady who might choose you?   Or are you submissive when you are ordered to get your tongue ready, but when it is time to iron or do the dishes you are less than compliant in your submission?  I might be reading this wrong, but it is what I am seeing in your lament here. 
Some Ladies enjoy intercourse and expect it.  Other do not.  Some Ladies do not expect or want oral and ass worship either.  You are making assumption here that all FemDoms want you to use is a talented tongue and then they will send you on your merry way, while they get up and make the bed.  Most of the Ladies I know, on a personal level, are not really interested in intercourse with their slaves.  And if they are, they can certainly get it with the snap of a finger and it would be their right, as the Domina, to thank you for your initial service and then have you straighten out the bed and greet the main course at the door.  *Shrug*  I am not saying this is what most Ladies will do.  I am saying they can, and if you have more on the ball than a talented tongue, your lack of interest in sexual interxcourse might not be offputting at all.  Those seeking a cuck might be more inclined to keep you around in that capacity.  Although,  even with that, a cuck is usually a humiliated and deprived boy who longs to serve with intercourse but is not good enough to do so.  Seems you wouldn't be feeling deprived since you have no interest in the first place.  I'm just saying...
I do not think that this has much to do with your lack of interest in intercourse and more to do with the fact that you think a talented tongue is enough to keep you around.  Be grateful that you have enough of that particular talent that you can be used and thrown away.  It is what most boys prefer.  But if you are seeking something deeper and more permanent, then you need to find the Lady who is willing to accept those times as your "times of submission", and compromise with you on who is in charge the other 95% of the time.  If you are even around the other 95% of the time. 
Just one Domina's POV.

Edited to add a bit about your OP title:  It crack Me up to continually realize that males seems to think that oral worship and ass worship is not sex or sexual.  IT IS!  A lack of penile to vaginal contact does not make a realtionship non-sexual.  I would consider your offerings of submission to be just as sexual as intercourse. 

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 11:23:45 AM   
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Olias, I think you are facing what I consider to be one of the greatest problems in female dominant and male submissive relationships today: confusion over what is expected.

Now this confusion is on the community level where women will complain that men only want sex or lie about being service oriented to get sex. The use of chastity or denial of orgasm is promoted as a way to deal with this "sex focused" man. Then the opposite complaints circulate that men can't get it up or shy away from the types of sex, often intercourse, when the women want it.

This gets promoted in pornography and erotica where the stereotype is the dom who dresses sexy and attempts to stir up sexual arousal then tells the sub that he is bad or punishes him for his desires.

The confusion then operates on the personal level when the same woman complains about both. I don't really get that myself except to say that perhaps the complaint is really more about authority and control; the dominant wants to control the when, why, and how of the sex.

I can imagine it is exceedingly confusing for any man to read all these ideas.

I think all of this leads to confusion for both men and women, doms and subs. Is it about sex or not? Is it primarily about sex or not? Are the words, clothes, actions, and activities reinforcing the things some complain about?

On a personal level I think it's a good start to examine what you want and need and then check out your behavior, words, and look to see if that meshes. If it doesn't, either the wants/needs or the behavior/etc needs to change or confusion will continue to reign.

On a community level, each person must be free to say what she or he feels. We might aid this by working on making our statements more personal and less generic. We might also refuse to buy things which do not support what we want or buy those things that do support what we want.

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 11:34:19 AM   
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I do not include sex in ANY form in my Ds relationship with boys.  I understand that they might get hard, but that doesn't matter to me.  For me it is the ultimate power to be able to tell them - I do not care if you are hard and me spanking your ass makes you hot - too bad.  This is not about sex for me.  I can feel the power and the intimacy without the sex.

I think it is wonderful that this life can hold so many different views and fill so many different needs.
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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 12:37:59 PM   
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IT...is never about the sex...until it is...about the sex.

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 1:10:42 PM   
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This is probably going to sound confusing.  For Me,yes, it is about the power exchange.  However, like Lashara said, the power itself does make Me sexually aroused.  I see that as a secondary effect from the primary.  Is sexual service necessary, no, but it is My preference.

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 1:28:38 PM   
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quote:

mainly into body worship


I would hazard a guess that this is the issue, not intercourse.  If a guy gets so far with me that he is worshipping my body in intimate ways, then I'm likely going to want to go the rest of the way.  I would be a bit put off if he wanted to go down on me but not pleasure me sexually via intercourse.  I would, frankly feel used and frustrated. 

But I can take sex completely out of the equation also as could many many dominant females.  So what esle are you willing to do?  How else would you be of use to a dominant? 

quote:

I thought BDSM was NOT about sex


For me, body worship (your main interest) IS sex.  It may not be penetration but if I'm going to have an orgasm from it, it's sex in some form.

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 1:30:42 PM   
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What you heard was "BDSM isn't ALWAYS about the sex", not "BDSM is NEVER about the sex"

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 2:15:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra

I have to have sex in my play and that is because the play and power exchange makes me horny as hell. So my sub knows everytime we play he will have to perform sexually. Which is how he likes it as well.
~Lashra


Absolutely agree! For me bdsm and sex do go hand in hand. I would consider myself a very sexual person.... if I like someone enough to play with them... then you can assume that I find them sexually attractive and their submission to me gets my juices flowing anyway... and while I could obviously get myself off (or have them get me off somehow apart from penetration).... the intimate act of fucking with someone is often a beautiful close to a play scene for me.

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 2:53:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

quote:

mainly into body worship


I would hazard a guess that this is the issue, not intercourse.  If a guy gets so far with me that he is worshipping my body in intimate ways, then I'm likely going to want to go the rest of the way.  I would be a bit put off if he wanted to go down on me but not pleasure me sexually via intercourse.  I would, frankly feel used and frustrated. 

But I can take sex completely out of the equation also as could many many dominant females.  So what esle are you willing to do?  How else would you be of use to a dominant? 

quote:

I thought BDSM was NOT about sex


For me, body worship (your main interest) IS sex.  It may not be penetration but if I'm going to have an orgasm from it, it's sex in some form.


I couldn't have said it better, my thoughts are right there with what you've said, no need for me to say my thoughts as they've been spoken by MsKatHouston. 

Rosa

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 2:53:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

What you heard was "BDSM isn't ALWAYS about the sex", not "BDSM is NEVER about the sex"


Exactly!

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 2:54:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Olias

[Snip]

I thought BDSM was NOT about sex!!


Olias,

For some, BDSM is sexual, but for others it's not.  Just bringing up this topic may get you into a fire fight from both sides

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 3:07:48 PM   
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For me...Sometimes it is about the sex and other times it is not about the sex.

If I plan on being long-term with someone there will be SEX!!! lolol

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 3:21:17 PM   
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But...sex is so much fun!

Seriously though...if I were to play with someone, you best your ass i'm gonna get aroused and will need some sort of relief. May not need penetration thoug...a mouth will owrk just as well...providing the person knows what s/he's doing.

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 3:23:00 PM   
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Olias, maybe they have to be attracted to a man on some level before having them worship their feet, asses or pussies.  Maybe they aren't attracted to you in that manner.

Also, tons of "vanilla" guys are very good at foot rubs, rumming and worshipping a woman's pussy for hours and don't require intercourse.  You have to up your value in some other way.

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RE: I thought it wasn't about SEX - 4/13/2007 5:14:11 PM   
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It's not always about sex - it is always about a power exchange.  When we say that it isn't always about sex, that means that we expect our boy(s) to cook, clean, maintain the house, etc.  When it is about sex - that's where the body worship and intercourse come into the picture.  Keep in mind that it's called oral SEX for a reason, no matter what former president Clinton seems to think ... I would also be upset if someone wanted to do body worship but not sex - for me, it's both or neither.  Holly would be ok with your scenario, I think ... but not me.

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