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Desensitization To Pain - 4/13/2007 12:04:06 PM

Veryleggyredhead

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I have heard some say that over time they become desensitized
to a present level of pain and require a higher level to reach
the same endorphin rush that they could previously attain
with a lesser level. Can anyone shed light on this interesting
assertion? Am curious as to whether it is prevalent amongst
those who enjoy pain stimulation.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 4/13/2007 12:19:34 PM

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Sure, also commonly known as leatherbutt.

What happens when you drink two cups of coffee every day? Your body becomes accustomed to the chemicals and needs more of them to get the same effect (habituation).

You can either cut off from the chemicals for awhile to reset yourself, or find another drug to get you the effect in a different way.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 4/13/2007 12:27:21 PM

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as usual... LA nails it

but might I also suggest since a big portion of how one processes these activities with physical stimulation is in fact mental... might it be that you growing use to the partner? If it isn't the partner then it is most likely the application... try mixing it up a bit.

sometimes a spark is needed to get those fires burning

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/17/2007 9:07:27 PM

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Aside from Leatherbutt, there are people who aren't excited by pain, so much as the setting in which it is applied. For these individuals, it has nothing to do with the actual sensations, and everything to do with the circumstances. I've never heard of even the heaviest painslut begging to get a root canal. The 'who' and 'how' seems far more important than the actual physicality.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/17/2007 9:56:42 PM

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umm.....

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/17/2007 9:57:58 PM

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I have wondered about this too as I have a really high pain threshold as it is (especally when it somes to nipple torture). But I definately think setting is everything, because in some situations pain is just....well pain and yet in others pain is delicious and equisite

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 12:06:18 AM

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I'm still hoping to build up a tolerance. I think I'm destined to be a wimp forever.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 12:21:13 AM

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i think it definitely depends on what type of pain you are getting. i have chronic pain. if i ever woke and DIDNT hurt, i think i would keel over from shock....

but it doesnt take *that* much for Sir to hit the pain threshold with me, and he has to be careful to not injure me. if he and i were one-on-one only, it wouldnt be such an issue, but we have separate households and are both poly with other partners, so.... *shrugs*

i can deal with my everyday stuff by willpower, OTC stuff, and crying in the shower. Sir's gentle treatment *smiles softly* makes me whimper....and yet it brings relief on its own.

kitten, who knows it is every sub to their own tolerances

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 3:10:19 AM

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*smiles* mmm never thought of myself as a leatherbutt… *laughs* but there is much truth in what has been said. When I started Switching to my partner I was a total whimp with certain lets call them implements for lack of a better word.. hand and paddle was fine, but canes and crops I could not take even when used very light… over the course of a year I grew to love them.. and yes I was asking and begging to push for more and harder…

This was also as mentioned above a very big mental step, since what I have previously feared became something I craved!

When Playing with My own boy, I have found that if I keep the game constant he does become accustomed to the levels of pain and needs more, however by playing around with different games, and different sensations I am able to keep his entire body sensitized and responsive.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 4:22:21 AM

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You may also be bored with that activity or activities and have simply "shut off".

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 4:44:57 AM

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My pain threshold has definitely changed over the last year. In the beginning I could hardly take a simple spanking without crying and writhing in pain. Now he can wail on me with crops, paddles, and other fun items and I take most things pretty well and for a much longer time. What else has helped is that I have learned how to release the emotions and let the pain pass through me. I do this through breathing and chanting a mantra.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 4:51:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: becca333

I'm still hoping to build up a tolerance. I think I'm destined to be a wimp forever.

i'm with becca. i hate pain and its a true punishment for me.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 5:17:28 AM

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There are also those of us whose pain tolerance is becoming less and less. I can't handle even a light spanking anymore. But this is due to the onset of menopause. Maybe once it's fully over I can regain a light tolerance.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 10:20:05 AM

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Dear Veryleggyredhead, Ladies and Gentlemen;

It is a fact, that over time people do get desensitized to pain and it take more to achieve the same response and the endorphin rush/high. It is called "Leather Butt" for those who have their bottoms subjected to heavy impact over time. Even their buttocks flattens.

My dear friend and neurosurgeon "Dr. Leather" who practices in Ohio, has medically stated that the nerves in the area and under the skin are damaged and then loose all sensitivities whatsoever. Nerves do not regenerate. The nerve bundles are different in different areas of the anatomy. Fed by blood, when crushed or abused they just wither and die--dry out like a hose is his analogy.

It takes less than 10 minutes, according to Dr. Leather; for blood vessels in a healthy young adult; being clamped, bound and or robbed of blood circulation to die. This is a concern of his as far as bondage goes. Impact play, that is heavy should be an occasional practice according to the doctor. He isn't saying 'No.." He is just suggesting moderation.

Another thing Dr. Leather advises; is that sites for bondage, clamping and impact are changed often. Having the body under stress as far as blood vessels, nerves and skin--to change sites allows areas stressed to recover. This supports the "Old School" method of using the entire body and changing the tools and techniques. Hot and Cold, as far as whip work goes Heavy, Medium and Light, mixed up and variety given.

For those who are low as far as tolerating pain, it might be due to the area where nerves sit. Not all have nerve endings that sit extremely close to skin which amplifies pain sensation. Some sit a little deeper.

How the body as far as relaxation, stressed, in prior pain and or discomfort due to illness, injuries and or changes--has a direct effect on how the body registers and channels pain. Chemical mix or cocktails within our own body, how our mind and emotions mix in their own cocktail of chemicals will also effect how pain is felt and handled.

Body position has an effect on how pain is registered and handled. Yet, few understand how the body can take pain and let it dispurse. I always add how important a slave's body position is when it comes to impact play.

Hopefully, my friend Dr. Leather will complete and publish his work on creating a BDSM Medical Manual. He does want to have a safer dungeon play in the Gay Leather circles and I've asked him to include women into this manual. He has agreed and is happy to share his professional advice along with his Leather experiences.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 10:38:37 AM

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Yes, you can become desensitized to the pain. This is why my Master won't feed His slave's masochistic cravings too frequently or in the same manner or degree each time.

my Master believes variation in the type of pain, the degree of pain, and the frequency and duration of pain that He administers keeps His masochist slave from becoming desensitized to it.

And, after all, the objective of S&M is to feel the pain, not to become numb to it.
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ORIGINAL: Veryleggyredhead

I have heard some say that over time they become desensitized
to a present level of pain and require a higher level to reach
the same endorphin rush that they could previously attain
with a lesser level. Can anyone shed light on this interesting
assertion? Am curious as to whether it is prevalent amongst
those who enjoy pain stimulation.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 10:50:20 AM

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Interesting thread, thank you!

I came "into this" with a moderately high pain threshold , yet I did not ever dream I could enjoy any of it, or that my wires could cross and sensations blur.
I was developed into someone who could travel . Enough said.

Now, after being away from 'this" for a while, I think I have a lower threshold. I am quite sensitive to pain and don't know what.... again... what my limits are.

The time away, and I am back to the drawing board. Well, if I choose to experiment again....

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 3:16:48 PM

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I'm of the opinion that anyone (top, bottom, sub, slave, switch, dominant) can learn to enjoy masochism. I'm also of the opinion that it's very difficult to introduce that 'love' and requires really tapping into someone's psyche. Everyone is wired different; some people hate fear, others thrive on it. Some need a very slow ramping up with lots of encouragement, others become bored if there isn't a loud heavy THUD every ten seconds.

Like any activity, it can become addictive; there's biological and psychological reasons for this. Non-smokers don't wake up one day, craving a carton of cigarettes. It takes a ramping up, usually caused by external desires to go from one cigarette to a pack a day.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 5:10:27 PM

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I also have chronic pain from Fibromyalgia, but that is TOTALLY different than what Dragon and i do. But when it comes to a tolerance, we take a 'break' from the pain side to allow my body to reset the cycle.

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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 6:17:30 PM

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I can assure you that you don't have to enjoy pain to become desensitized to it, only to feel it often enough.
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RE: Desensitization To Pain - 6/18/2007 8:02:05 PM

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has anyone else with chronic pain problem found that they need more severe sensations to trigger the endorphin release due to your tolerance being built up because of the daily non consensual pain?

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