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Isara -> RE: A Guilt Problem (4/25/2005 8:02:56 PM)


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. When I was in a vanilla relationship I was made to feel guilty about my very sensual, submissive nature. Now when I'm acknowledging this is who I am and participating in play or a relationship as a submissive I find all the guilt has been shed and I'm totally free to enjoy myself.


First reply or post on my behalf, been lurking for some time, but yeah, as a young submissive woman, who realised young what she wanted, it's much the same for me.

While there is a certain degree of guilt (which comes from my upbringing and my desire to not disappoint my father whom I love dearly) I've realised this is who I am, it fulfills me in a way that vanilla just doesn't.

I'm not a freak (well no more so then anyone else around these parts ^_^)

I'm a woman who knows what she wants.

Isara




ravenna -> RE: A Guilt Problem (4/25/2005 9:47:51 PM)

Before i was enslaved i felt enormous "guilt" for every step i took away from being what i knew, and had always known, that i was supposed to be: a sex slave. Being true to what i was meant to be, what God made me after all, has ended the guilt. i don't feel guilty about being a slave anymore, because i know i am now what i was meant to be.

But what i do feel, what i will probably always feel, is shame. i'm a Catholic, i'm proud to be a Catholic, but along with my faith part of what i received from my church and my family in childhood was the sense of burning shame for my sexual nature, for expressing my real sexuality, shame for my submission and surrender, shame for my eagerness to be owned, shame for my embrace of my enslavement, shame for my openness to sensations and experiences and desires that most of my family (and the world at large) would call shameful. In practice much of what i do every day and night is a sin in my church and an occasion for shame. But i go to Mass, i take Communion, i go to confession, and no, it doesn't take all day, smartypants! i simply confess that i have committed the sin of fornication since my last confession, if the priest wants a number i make a guesstimate, he almost never wants the details, if he does i offer some, he'll stop me when he's heard enough, it's usually sufficient to specify that the fornication was out of wedlock and sometimes involved birth control, and then i do my penance, usually something i can do in church on my knees (and get your minds out of the gutter, you guys), and i am forgiven. i feel better for making an honest confession (of sorts), the priest feels better, life goes on -- and i make my real confession to Christ every night and day, and i know my Saviour does forgive me for being the sinful creature He made.

But what has truly saved me from being crippled by shame is my masters' training, especially my master Michelangelo, who comes from the same background and loves it and rebels against it in much the same way i do. He taught me to experience my shame as just another emotion, an emotion ultimately not different from and not superior to my lust, my desires, my twisted sexual curiosity, my burning hunger to open and submit and obey, my overwhelming drive to be owned and enslaved and to serve my owners, to turn myself inside out for them, and most of all an emotion that does not trump my owners' emotions and needs and demands; even an emotion not different from pain and humiliation and degradation and objectification, all of which i am deeply drawn to. He has trained me to accept all these emotions and sensations, to say yes to them but not to let them rule me, to let myself feel them all fully, to let my surrender bypass all other emotions, to wallow in them all at the same time, and to press through them, to submit not just in spite of my shame, but to use the shame to deepen my surrender and make it richer and more complex and (to my owners) more valuable. They say that real courage is not the absence of fear, but feeling the fear and still doing what must be done, no matter what. Well, this is my version of courage: My masters have trained me to live a life of sexual enslavement and surrender that is not the absence of shame, but feeling the shame, reveling in it, pushing through it, and still submitting to them, no matter what.




PenelopePitstop -> RE: A Guilt Problem (5/15/2005 10:56:49 AM)

I just want to say thank you to everyone who shared there experiences on this thread :) It's all good food for thought and I am so glad it's not just me!




suberic101 -> RE: A Guilt Problem (5/15/2005 5:24:44 PM)

I think this is something I deal with as well. Guilt and shame. Not for the submissiveness, but for the implications of the lifestyle. That said, in a consensual relationship, I don't see the problem. I am not poly or any of that. I just enjoy defining my relationships different. Christians are to have a servant's heart, so I consider the submission an embracing of that.
I don't intend to have sex with a woman until I have met the One, to whom I will desire to give myself to completely. And who will take me, and make me hers. And in so doing completeing ourselves. But this would be the same for me if I were vanilla. I am not 'pushing' myself or my beliefs, just stating how I feel on the whole subject of shame and guilt. I know that my path for fulfilling a relationship is something considered 'wierd' or not normal by many, so I accept the paths of others, yes even polys though I disagree with the notion. I suppose I am a rareity but, so be it.




iamMasters -> RE: A Guilt Problem (5/16/2005 1:35:24 PM)

I too am new to this forum. I have always suspected, from a very young age, that there was something wrong with me and as I increased in confidence within a committed and loving realationship I was able to express my needs and desires to be more submissive. It is strange, but I have never felt guilty, just different. However, my Husband (who is now my Master) did once tell me that I scared him when I begged for some act that was not considered 'normal'. Thankfully, he has overcome that now and joyfully spanks me etc for his own pleasure as well as mine.






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