TigerNINTails
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ORIGINAL: serillabound
If you own a bisexual sub and for the sake of argument, let's say you've already discussed the subject fully and both agree that it's acceptable to allow your sub the pleasures of another woman...
For the sake of argument/debate here, I'd have to say, that whether she's a sub or not, makes no difference whatsoever when it comes to ownership. For example, my personal bi-slave is submissive... But not JUST a submissive. She is a slave. I own her. This is an important distinction.
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ORIGINAL: serillabound
1) Do you insist on being present when she's with another?
This is dependent on context. In the context of being with another slave, perhaps. I enjoy watching/participating with multiple slaves. Is this in a "play" (in a vanilla sexual context) situation for her?
Or is this an "M/s" or a "BDSM" sort of situation? This needs to be decided as well.
Furthermore, if the girl is not comfortable with another person present, watching or otherwise, and it's not in a lifestyle (ALL of my references to lifestyle encompass M/s and BDSM) context, then the most I insist on is knowing when, where, when she'll be back, how to contact my slave in an emergency, and understanding from the outsider that if it's in my home, there is a good chance that I might enter the room with little or no reason, simply because it's my home, my slave.
In all honesty, if they can't deal with those points, neither I nor my slave would be too comfortable even "toying" around with this person.
If this is a male, there are further ground rules laid out, and a thorough discussion is had in regards to what I'd allow, or disallow, and I will both be present AND participating, if possible. If I'm not physically there, the webcam is. This is for obvious safety issues.
Not saying that females are less likely to be unsafe, but most women my slut can handle should the need arise.
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ORIGINAL: serillabound
2) If present, would you insist on participating, not necessarily in a sexual capacity, but direction perhaps?
Again, this is a very context and situationally driven question. If it's a BDSM environment, yes, direction at a minimum... If it's another wo/man's slave and it's BDSM, I'd be more comfortable with both of us (Owners) present. Even to be in the other room, occupying ourselves however. At the minimum, there would of course be thorough discussion of what occurs, with set consequences should those requirements fail to be met.
If it's not lifestyle, and it's just a trist, a chance for her to flex, without restrictions etc. I tend to not insist on anything but the first set of protocols mentioned above, to be adhered to. Well, that and the girl can prove to be clean of diseases, etc. but I'd gather that goes without saying.  I don't see those, especially being her owner to be too much to demand.
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ORIGINAL: serillabound
Sometimes, I just don't want an audience. I'm not with another woman for his pleasure but for my own, so why should he be involved?
This is an odd statement. Every full time slave I've been with (And there's been a few) generally are of the mind, that my pleasure is her pleasure. Furthermore, they tend not to look at me as an "audience". Now if I'm just sitting there, and watching, I'm not doing anything, but appearing to "review" what I'm seeing, yes, I can see how this might make someone uncomfortable.
I'd rather be participating, if I'm going to watch, be it indirectly, perhaps enjoying the show, masturbating off to the side, perhaps giving some direction, or even help on occasion, even if it's hands off (I specialize in verbal, non contact sensory association). Most of the time, the thought of me as an outsider would be ridiculous to my girl.
As for why should I be involved, if it's for your pleasure... Well, I suppose that I already answered that. But to make it plain...
Because I choose to be. Slaves typically don't make these decisions... I do. When it comes to my slaves, at any rate. And this comes down to how your owner, if that's what he is, or Dominant views ownership and if that's really what you are doing.
I think what this comes down to, is just how tightly bound you are to him, or rather, precisely what both of you think this relationship is, might well, as EO had stated, be suffering some sort of disconnect. I believe the communication, good, solid, of any sort, even for the slave to be critical of a situation is... well, critical...
You need to be able to open a dialog about these issues that you seem to have with this, and have it met in a positive and mature understanding. But also, you need to be open to understand his viewpoint, as your owner, if that in fact is what he is.
A slave is a slave, and while it's nice and good for Owners to recognize them as human beings and allow them pleasures that they want, there is another factor here. Not all people, including Owners, get what they want, when they want it. There is a time and place for everthing, including allowing the girl her flex time.
I personally have no issue allowing my slave freedom enough to roam, one or two nights a week, out with girlfriends or what have you. What she does on her time is her choice, so long as she obeys the edicts that govern that... On her time. On my time, that's a different matter.
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I look forward to your thoughts....
~nhyla
As I do to yours... Peace girl.
Tora
< Message edited by TigerNINTails -- 4/17/2007 5:42:02 PM >
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