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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007




What i did was take simple 8th grade science and  linked that knowledge all togather into one grouping. I learned the eco system in 8th grade science. and  how weather is produced later in the same  class.  I learned chemistry in high school. I learned   what produces carbon monoxide from various sources. I learned about space with my own interest in astrology.

I took this knowledge combined it all togather and came up with, on my own  what i stated above. This has nothing to do with the scienctist of the world  or the political agendas. And i hate it when people are so narrow minded to act as sheep or to say your not pulling the wool over my eyes.

My conclusion, just happens to support scientist. Its really not that complicated. Burning fossil fuels releases CO that rises and combines with O3  which  depletes the O3 available.  4 million years ago their werent cars and cave man bob wasnt dumping large amount of CO into the atmosphere. So all that is irrelevant.

The reason i care? I have a 4 month old daughter and i dont want her generation fixing ( or trying to) the ignorance and stubborness of my generation. Like any problem the longer you let it go, the harder it is to fix.

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So this is your conclusion...and you think this happens to also support what the scientist think.  Well, either way, is just means that your "theory" fits their "theory".  It is still a theory.  How can you can say this is your conclusion and even state how you arrived at your belief, and then entitle the thread "Are people really that uneducated?"  Do you have some sort of a lock on research?
Well, here's a little more education for you.  I am sure you have an open mind and want to learn everything you can regarding this topic.  Please read:
 
http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote04.html 

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I believe its a fact that scientists dont know whether
Increases in CO2 raises temperature
or
Increases in temperature cause more CO2.

Thats what I heard on the grapevine.

Current phase of global warming started 10 000 years ago at the end of the last Ice Age. Heard that on the grapevine too.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I am far from learned on these matters, but was curious as to what we should do about the carbon monoxide and methane that are naturally spewed into the atmosphere by such things as volcanos and cows?  These sources account for much more of those compounds being produced and put into the "ozone" layer than human sources.

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I am far from learned on these matters, but was curious as to what we should do about the carbon monoxide and methane that are naturally spewed into the atmosphere by such things as volcanos and cows?  These sources account for much more of those compounds being produced and put into the "ozone" layer than human sources.

How often does a volcano erupt? Not often. How often do the factories in a major city run how often do cars drive down the road... all the time.

Volcanos  have been erupting  for billions of years since the earth formed. And waste from animals for millions. The ecosytem replaces ozone to counter such depletions, as is the way of mother nature. However if you combine this with the added gases we put in the air  being "civilized" humans the ecosystem cannot  recoup the ozone as fast as its being depleted . Thats why its rather thin in some places.

I believe in global warming, for two reasons:
1)IT can and has been proved time and time again. This is like darwins theory on evolution compared to the bible thumpers belief that "adam and eve" was  made by  god. I have yet for a bible thumper to explain to me where the cave man came from  and his ancestors. Yet darwins theory  seems to prove we evolved over many thousands of years from a primative ape like( or in darwins case apes themselves)  existance to the one now. Furthermore, biblethumpers failed to explain to me  how did those big things we call dinosaurs end up buried in our dirt? I can look at global warming theory  versus no global warming  and i can prove  the climate is changing and the ozone is being depleted at a faster rate than it can be regenerated. I can prove when you put CO  in the same space as O3 they combine and thus you no longer have O2.  I cant prove other theories.
2)I see the climate change happening with my own eyes. I noticed it before i  really took notice to global warming at all. I notice because i work outside in it every single day. snow in april, 60 degrees on christmas, one day im wearing a t shirt the next  coveralls. Tornados all over the place. Not a few here and their like when i was a kid. Lots of tornados.  Storms coming out of nowhere( unstable atmosphere) , etc.  I notice the change because i have to work it in 8-10-12 hours a day.  summers are hotter winters are milder. wildfires and droughts like crazy.  tsumamis, hurricanes, flooding on the east coast drought on the west. ...Im very weather observant. I see the changes. I know from history climate changes like we have experienced even int he last 30 years dont happen in 30 years... not even 100. it takes several hundred years for the climate to change as much as it has in the last 30. Otherwise  nature couldnt adapt and everything would die.


This is more than likely going to be one of those issues where in 100 years global warming activist say i told you so. and  their will  still be those that say , no thats impossible cause  when water evoparates  it goes into space[:D]

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There are about 550 volanoes on earth that have erupted in historic times. Such volcanoes are considered to be geologically active. In addition, there are an equivalent number of dormant volcanoes that have not erupted in historic time, but have erupted in the past 10,000 years. Both dormat and "active" volcanoes have the potential to erupt again. On any given day, there are about ten volcanoes that are actively erupting.

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Nice taken out of context.  Actually  if you look at the OP i made some statements i read as comments  on this issue.  I found alot of comments like that . This is what the title of the thread was referring too.  What i stated in my original post is basic  education you learn in school. Hence why i stated  how i arrived on my own that this theory is indeed  is very probable. I only stated how i came to agree with the scientist given my own knowledge.

The part that bothers me is not whether people think the theory is right or wrong, but what little  and often inaccurate information  they base their opinions on.

In this case for example, someone stated so what if the icecaps melt , we can just populate the poles then and tap resources. I wonder if they are educated enough to realize that  IF all the ice melts the  sea level will go up  which change the coastline  and destroy some ver large cities. OR if they just dont give a fly **** cause it dont concern them in their petty meaningless lives?

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This is all pretty common sense. I learned all this in school 10 years ago.

So my questions is are people that uneducated they have no understanding of this?
OR do they just not give a shit cause they will be dead in 40-50-70 years? 

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Evening Heretic,

It is actually funny that you bring up statistical models.  A friend recently reminded me that even with the best computer aided models, they cannot plot the weather accurately for more than 3-7 days out.  How can they plot a trend such as global warming and not take into account variable daily, weekly, monthly, and annual fluctuations in the future?  It is like having a phone psychic predict the outcome of the Super Bowl 5 years down the road (and that is the easy part, try 100 years out).

I wish you well,
Thadius

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But i was surfing and came across a reputable website  that discussed global warming( oh no another global warming thread!) I was reading a list of comments left by  readers and i was surpised at the lack of knowledge people have.

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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

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)  this has been going on since the industrial age began. We are losing ozone faster than it can repair itself.
10) less ozone means you go from spf 150 to spf 50 spf 30 spf 2  etc. More harmful sun  rays enter the atmosphere warming it up faster and hotter.
11) this is called global warming.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Folks, take your kids out of the schools. Here is the deal.

Ground based byproducts of combustion are a problem, but not to the ozone because they do not get there. The ozone got attention because CFCs can get there, because they are so much lighter than air in some forms. It is the flourine that is the catalyst for the recombining of O3 into O2. The big problem is that the flourine is a catalyst, and emerges from the reaction unchanged, ready for another reaction.

The CFCs apparently stay in their form long enough to ascend in the atmospher and then get up high enough to get bombarded by UV, which is what the ozone filters out. Since the flourine remains unchanged, unless a way is founsd to get the flourine out of the ozone, it is a done deal.

There is no doubt that huige natural disasters cause a depletion of the ozone, even if only by dilution. But our burning fossil fuel has almost nothing to do with it. Our CO and CO2 simply does not get up there. Not that it never will.

And FYI, there never really was an ozone LAYER. By virtue of it's atomic weight it was always more like a band, because it does circle the Earth. Centripital force made it into a band, and that was pretty much nature's way of putting it where it is needed. There is no need for it over the north and south poles, an fact even the north and south poles actually need the band to be where it is, that is the direction from which the sunlight comes.

The main concern for us humans is that the band, or layer, or whatever of ozone is shrinking.

Now for perspective. Remember the old western movies ? Get down to Mexico they are wearing sombreros ? "He went thataway". Why do you think those people wore hats when it was 100 degrees out ? Protection from the sun. It was more brutal than the heat.

So I am not saying that people are being chicken little, crying wolf, and I am not saying that we should just dismiss the whole thing. We live here. The environment is important, but these things should be handled by people who know what they're doing.

Basically, ground based combustion does not seriously affect the ozone. But if the top theories are to be believed, we have given the ozone layer a terminal disease and we can't take it back.

What happens happens.

T

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I believe in global warming, for two reasons:

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1) IT can and has been proved time and time again.

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007

This is like darwins theory on evolution compared to the bible thumpers belief that "adam and eve" was  made by  god. I have yet for a bible thumper to explain to me where the cave man came from  and his ancestors. Yet darwins theory seems to prove we evolved over many thousands of years from a primative ape like( or in darwins case apes themselves)  existance to the one now. Furthermore, biblethumpers failed to explain to me  how did those big things we call dinosaurs end up buried in our dirt? I can look at global warming theory  versus no global warming  and i can prove  the climate is changing and the ozone is being depleted at a faster rate than it can be regenerated. I can prove when you put CO  in the same space as O3 they combine and thus you no longer have O2.  I cant prove other theories.

1. i can prove  ... the ozone is being depleted at a faster rate than it can be regenerated.

2. I can prove when you put CO in the same space as O3 they combine and thus you no longer have O2.

In a new study, scientists conclude that an intense round of solar storms around Halloween in 2003 was at the root of the problem. Charged particles from the storms triggered chemical reactions that increased the formation of extra nitrogen in the upper stratosphere, some 20 miles up. Nitrogen levels climbed to their highest in at least two decades.

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"This decline was completely unexpected," said Cora Randall, a physicist at the University of Colorado, Boulder who led the study. "The findings point out a critical need to better understand the processes occurring in the ozone layer."

Although they are often interlinked in the mass media, the connection between global warming and ozone depletion is not strong.

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2)I see the climate change happening with my own eyes. I noticed it before i  really took notice to global warming at all. I notice because i work outside in it every single day. snow in april, 60 degrees on christmas, one day im wearing a t shirt the next  coveralls. Tornados all over the place. Not a few here and their like when i was a kid. Lots of tornados.  Storms coming out of nowhere( unstable atmosphere) , etc.  I notice the change because i have to work it in 8-10-12 hours a day.  summers are hotter winters are milder. wildfires and droughts like crazy.  tsumamis, hurricanes, flooding on the east coast drought on the west. ...Im very weather observant. I see the changes.

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007

I know from history climate changes like we have experienced even int he last 30 years dont happen in 30 years... not even 100. it takes several hundred years for the climate to change as much as it has in the last 30. Otherwise  nature couldnt adapt and everything would die.

This is more than likely going to be one of those issues where in 100 years global warming activist say i told you so. and  their will  still be those that say , no thats impossible cause  when water evoparates  it goes into space[:D]

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I am far from learned on these matters, but was curious as to what we should do about the carbon monoxide and methane that are naturally spewed into the atmosphere by such things as volcanos and cows?  These sources account for much more of those compounds being produced and put into the "ozone" layer than human sources.

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007
I believe in global warming, for two reasons:

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I am far from learned on these matters, but was curious as to what we should do about the carbon monoxide and methane that are naturally spewed into the atmosphere by such things as volcanos and cows?  These sources account for much more of those compounds being produced and put into the "ozone" layer than human sources.

Thadius:
Cows are a human source of methane...we raise them so we can drink their milk,eat their flesh and make floggers out of their skin.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

ST i didnt even have to read the OP and i can answer a difinitive yes they truly are, welcome to the friuts of government funded schools.