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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 1:54:00 PM   
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Is Real actually claiming Windows on the World didn't exist? I ignore his bloviating on this topic but this is too much. He's either a liar or terminally misinformed.

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Convection?  Sure it got air from the windows that were blown out from the force of the impact and exploding jp4. 


Oh does it really now?  you may want to check post number 23 eh?

While your face is red i will await the retraction of your accusation that i lied.

That'll teach ya to quote lucky!  LMFAO


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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 2:01:23 PM   
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A controlled demo of a single tower would require thousands if not tens of thousands of man/hours of skilled work. Who did it? How was such a big job kept completely quiet? A conspiracy theory calling for dozens or hundreds or very specialized and uncommon workers needs to adequately explain how it would have been done which none of your BS comes even remotely close to.


it was probably done by the same people who prepared building 7 eh?

not in this thread but i have posted several videos where you could both hear the bombs going off and several paople testified to bobes going off, try googling it.


No, I'm not interested in unreliable witness testimony. I want to hear your version of the setup.


Da wah?

Thousands of people to the tune of 12,000 interviewd and on record are all unreliable?

Including firemen police emergancy workers, building employess, maintenance etc etc etc.   Only takes one witness to hang you from a rope in this country and you want what more than 12,000?  you have to be joking right.

As far as how could they have done it is concerned letrs just stick with one thing at a time, lucky still thinks "massive impact" and "inferno" fires did it, so we need to do the math there first like fat chance that will ever happen lol

That and for someone who is quick to call me a liar he thus far he has demonstrated zero engineering skills to debate me on the subject even in quantitative general terms which is all this really takes to understand really if you have a grip on thermodynamics, force, etc.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 2:10:16 PM   
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A controlled demo of a single tower would require thousands if not tens of thousands of man/hours of skilled work.
240 perimeter columns and 110 floors in each tower. Let's say thermate charges on alternating columns every three floors. That makes 120 x 37 = 4400 charges. I do not know how much thermate in a charge - say 100 grammes? That makes 440 kilogrammes of explosives. Double that for radio controlled ignition: 880 kilogrammes.
How much time to set a charge? Say five men will need five minutes to set a charge. 4400 x five minutes = 367 hours. Make it ten men so they can work around the clock: fifteen days. Multiply by three for the core columns must also be taken care of: thirty men to emplace the charges necessary for controlled demolition of one tower within fifteen days. Multiply again by three for there is also the second tower and WTC7: ninety men. Add the guards that covered them: say another thirty men: 120 men in total. I agree that it is a huge number.
 
It is a total of 43200 man hours.
 
I have no idea what it takes to demolish such buildings, so I may be way off.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 2:17:22 PM   
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So you are saying there were natural gas lines, what, something like 50 stories higher than the highest cafeteria?  Show it.

You then argued that the website provided that proved that both towers had restaurants on the top floors was inaccurate here:
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Those pictures were taken from the observation towers, you want to use a tourist advertisement that does not even make a statement to that effect as proof there is a restraunt up there?  It had tons of restraunts on the lower floors.


BTW if you had actually read the page :
http://www.fieldtrip.com/ny/24357379.htm
you would have seen where it discussed both Windows on the World and the Skyline Cafe.

Beyond that simple proof I invite you to go to Colors in NYC which is owned and operated by the surviving employees of Windows on the World.

Now I patiently await your retraction.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 2:40:17 PM   
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A controlled demo of a single tower would require thousands if not tens of thousands of man/hours of skilled work.
240 perimeter columns and 110 floors in each tower. Let's say thermate charges on alternating columns every three floors. That makes 120 x 37 = 4400 charges. I do not know how much thermate in a charge - say 100 grammes? That makes 440 kilogrammes of explosives. Double that for radio controlled ignition: 880 kilogrammes.
How much time to set a charge? Say five men will need five minutes to set a charge. 4400 x five minutes = 367 hours. Make it ten men so they can work around the clock: fifteen days. Multiply by three for the core columns must also be taken care of: thirty men to emplace the charges necessary for controlled demolition of one tower within fifteen days. Multiply again by three for there is also the second tower and WTC7: ninety men. Add the guards that covered them: say another thirty men: 120 men in total. I agree that it is a huge number.
 
It is a total of 43200 man hours.
 
I have no idea what it takes to demolish such buildings, so I may be way off.


At least an attempt. So you think they used thermate to cut vertical columns? Technically possible but its not going to be easy. I'm guessing more like a kilo per cut and an hour or so to place the charges to make what is primarily an incendiary material actually cut the vertical steel beam. Also this is going to require taking down the interior walls to gain access to the steel itself. So more like a 2 plus hour job for a work drew of 4 or 5 to plant a single charge, possibly significantly more if furniture etc. has to be moved before you can start.

Then comes the problems of the central columns. At the highest floors these columns are a single piece of steel and the same technique can be used but for much of the buildings heights these columns are made from multiple steel members welded together. These large structures are going to be very hard to cut with an incendiary. The best solution would be to drill holes in the members and place plastique (C-4 or the like) to cut these columns.

As to radio control, I doubt it. By your estimate 4400 charges were used on the exterior alone with likely another 10,000 or so charges on the central columns. So you're talking about 30,000 individual charges that will need to detonate in a specific pattern if the buildings are to come down in a controlled fashion. I simply doubt they could have found a transmitter flexible enough to handle the task much less found 10,000 or so frequencies not otherwise in use. Then of course is the issue that radio reception in the core of the WTC would likely have been spotty at best, the NYPD and NYFD can attest to that, so you would have needed some of those frequencies to be clear for a high wattage signal which limits both what frequencies can be used and how far away the transmitter can be. I think it would be nearly impossible to pull it off using radio so IMO the job has to be done with wires, bundles and bundles and miles and miles of wires. Which someone would have noticed.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 2:50:48 PM   
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An example of the Big Lie is Reals insistance that the building fell nice and neatly into its own footprint.  Hence it had to be a controlled demolition, and there was no way building 7 could have been damaged.  It is very important that you swallow this lie, as the other parts of the silly theory are based on it.  http://www.zombietime.com/wtc_9-13-2001/  However anyone interested  can simply look at the widley available pictures to see that the building did not," came dowen so nice and neetly".

As to what Bush said, if you inserted a "that" into the sentace it makes perfect sense, and in speech it is often left out.   I saw on TV (that) a plane had hit the towers.

Sorry heretic, I just feel compeled to protest everytime I see people pushing these lies. Silence is consent.


frankly i should have know better to get into a debate over fluff as i do not waste my time analysing irrelevant fluff, which is where you can catalog this off topic line of reasoning. 

The topic is what brought the towers down not who is serving lobster.

This does not demonstrate that there wre natural gas lines running up to them which was my point and to the best of my knowledge the natural gas lines only run up as high as the first few floors.  If you have documentation showing otherwise i would be interested in see it.




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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 3:00:06 PM   
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At least an attempt. So you think they used thermate to cut vertical columns?
Not to cut them, but to weaken them. If they were used to cut them, it would have been visible from the outside and we know of only one case in which it was visible from the outside. It melted through the columns from the inside.
 
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Technically possible but its not going to be easy. I'm guessing more like a kilo per cut and an hour or so to place the charges to make what is primarily an incendiary material actually cut the vertical steel beam. Also this is going to require taking down the interior walls to gain access to the steel itself. So more like a 2 plus hour job for a work drew of 4 or 5 to plant a single charge, possibly significantly more if furniture etc. has to be moved before you can start.

A kilo seems quite a lot to me.
One man to remove any furniture. One man to roll a wheeled ladder into place. One man to remove a ceiling tile. One man to set the charge. One man to clean up. Five men in total. 25 man minutes to set a charge.

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Then comes the problems of the central columns. At the highest floors these columns are a single piece of steel and the same technique can be used but for much of the buildings heights these columns are made from multiple steel members welded together. These large structures are going to be very hard to cut with an incendiary. The best solution would be to drill holes in the members and place plastique (C-4 or the like) to cut these columns.

I have no problem with that. Indications are that the cores were mined with very heavy explosives. Such large charges would require less people to set them.
 
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As to radio control, I doubt it. By your estimate 4400 charges were used on the exterior alone with likely another 10,000 or so charges on the central columns. So you're talking about 30,000 individual charges that will need to detonate in a specific pattern if the buildings are to come down in a controlled fashion. I simply doubt they could have found a transmitter flexible enough to handle the task much less found 10,000 or so frequencies not otherwise in use. Then of course is the issue that radio reception in the core of the WTC would likely have been spotty at best, the NYPD and NYFD can attest to that, so you would have needed some of those frequencies to be clear for a high wattage signal which limits both what frequencies can be used and how far away the transmitter can be. I think it would be nearly impossible to pull it off using radio so IMO the job has to be done with wires, bundles and bundles and miles and miles of wires. Which someone would have noticed.

I do not know how the charges were ignited. I doubt that any wires were involved: too complicated and subject to mishaps. Perhaps only one explosive on each floor was radio-activated and the others were sound-activated by the explosion of their neighbour?

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 3:04:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		So now you're claiming the restaurants were wholly electric? No top flight restaurant is ever wholly electric. There are a whole host of things that require an actual flame to do right. Windows on the World was the top grossing restaurant in the US in 2000 and certainly cooked food on gas appliances but that still doesn't amount to your claim that the restaurant didn't exist. Retract the claim.


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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 3:19:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		You really need to find a building demo guy and talk this over with him where he can show you diagrams and such but simply put, A controlled demo is a progressive affair and requires very specific timing. Since this wasn't an implosion it is a much more complicated affair since vacuum isn't being created to help keep the structure from toppling. So every charge has to go off precisely on plan. No variance of as much as a 10 milliseconds or so is going to work. So every charge has to be detonated electrically using a signal from a control panel built for the tack or a customized computer. That means either radio, impractical as I've already demonstrated, or wires, impractical for a whole host of othe reasons. Which brings the case to a close.

No largish work crew spent 2 weeks or longer prepping the towers and no enormous number of new wires were installed throughout each tower prior to 9/11.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 3:45:56 PM   
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As to radio control, I doubt it. By your estimate 4400 charges were used on the exterior alone with likely another 10,000 or so charges on the central columns. So you're talking about 30,000 individual charges that will need to detonate in a specific pattern if the buildings are to come down in a controlled fashion. I simply doubt they could have found a transmitter flexible enough to handle the task much less found 10,000 or so frequencies not otherwise in use.

Not at all. One frequency would be sufficient. 10,000 charges on the central colums seems way too much. Say one thousand large charges for the central columns. In total that requires as a rough estimate 16200 digital codes to activate all charges.
 
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Then of course is the issue that radio reception in the core of the WTC would likely have been spotty at best, the NYPD and NYFD can attest to that, so you would have needed some of those frequencies to be clear for a high wattage signal which limits both what frequencies can be used and how far away the transmitter can be.

So put one wire down one of the elevator shafts and attach transmitters at say every fourth floor: say thirty in all (but perhaps three will be sufficient).
 
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No largish work crew spent 2 weeks or longer prepping the towers
Thirty persons per tower is not a large crew.  It is twenty persons per shift. Working in teams of five there would be only four teams active at any time in a tower. Perimeter columns would be done outside office hours. Core columns would be done in office hours.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 4:52:35 PM   
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You really need to find a building demo guy and talk this over with him 

Been there done that and more than one company as well, problem is others have not done the same.

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I disagree with the vaccuum crap as far as pulling the building in.  The vaccuum collapses nearly immediately, (the greater majority of it before the building even begins to move), the idea of vaccuum have much to do with how the building falls is not entirely accurate.


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Since this wasn't an implosion it is a much more complicated affair

This was a show demolition.  Awe and fear.  There are several ways to do a demolition, they blew the exoskeleton rather than dragging to the center, just a different method, great way to cause confusion and still effectively drop it in its print.  After all they did not want anything left when the job was done, hence dropping building 7 too.

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keep the structure from toppling

That is done purely with the explosives not the vaccuum tho you will find others who disagree.  Case in point watch wtc 2 tip to around 25 degrees and then rather than falling sideways mysterioulsy straighten back up and then fall straight down.  It should have tipped over into itself but did not.  What that means of course is that the exoskeleton on the "undanaged side of the building mysteriously gave way, when it should have forced a tipping not a freefal.  that and buildings do not free fall from losing strength they sort of cave in slowly and ever so slowly give way then topple.  Case in point watch wtc 1 boom straight down.


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That means either radio, impractical as I've already demonstrated, or wires, impractical for a whole host of othe reasons.

Not at all, its all digital now days, one cord daisychained, each are numbered.

As many times as i have posted videos of explosions lucky insists that the pm god is correct, here is one of the few remaining expolosion vids left out here as the white washing is going pretty deep i see so watch it while you can.

No Explosions just intense inferno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I

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No largish work crew spent 2 weeks or longer prepping the towers and no enormous number of new wires were installed throughout each tower prior to 9/11. 

Actually that is not true, the whole building including the security systems were shut down for nearly a week about 2 weeks prior to 911 are you ready for this?  To have new internet wires installed.  

and of course the shit gets really thick because gw's brother was on the board of the company incharge of the security.



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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 5:01:19 PM   
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I disagree with the vaccuum crap as far as pulling the building in.  The vaccuum collapses nearly immediately, (the greater majority of it before the building even begins to move), the idea of vaccuum have much to do with how the building falls is not entirely accurate.


I now await two retractions and your apology. 

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 5:01:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		No Explosions?   Witnesses that are not credible?  Here is a sample:

Rich Banaciski -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22] ... and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.

Brian Becker -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 28] The collapse hadn't begun, but it was not a fire any more up there. It was like -- it was like that -- like smoke explosion on a tremendous scale going on up there.

Greg Brady -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) [Battalion 6] We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center.

Timothy Burke -- Firefigter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 202] But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped. I thought it was an explosion.

Ed Cachia -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 53] we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

Frank Campagna -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 11] You see three explosions and then the whole thing coming down.

Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 8] ... you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was.

Jason Charles -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) ... and then I heard an explosion from up, from up above, and I froze and I was like, oh, s___, I'm dead because I thought the debris was going to hit me in the head and that was it.
...
I look over my shoulder and I says, oh, s___, and then I turned around and looked up and that's when I saw the tower coming down.

Frank Cruthers -- Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Citywide Tour Commander] .. there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.

Kevin Darnowski -- Paramedic (E.M.S.) I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.

Dominick Derubbio -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Division 8] It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion ...

Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.) Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode.

Brian Dixon -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) ... the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.

Michael Donovan -- Captain (F.D.N.Y.) I thought there had been an explosion or a bomb that they had blown up there.
James Drury -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building.

Thomas Fitzpatrick -- Deputy Commissioner for Administration (F.D.N.Y.) Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing it, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.
...
My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.

Gary Gates -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.) So the explosion, what I realized later, had to be the start of the collapse. It was the way the building appeared to blowout from both sides. I'm looking at the face of it, and all we see is the two sides of the building just blowing out and coming apart like this, as I said, like the top of a volcano.

Kevin Gorman -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22] ... I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes.

Gregg Hansson -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.) Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.

Timothy Julian -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 118] You know, and I just heard like an explosion and then cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down.

John Malley -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22] I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is that? In my mind it was a bomb going off.

James McKinley -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) After that I heard this huge explosion, I thought it was a boiler exploding or something. Next thing you know this huge cloud of smoke is coming at us, so we're running.

Joseph Meola -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 91] As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out.

Kevin Murray -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 18] When the tower started -- there was a big explosion that I heard and someone screamed that it was coming down and I looked away and I saw all the windows domino

Janice Olszewski -- Captain (E.M.S.) I thought it was an explosion or a secondary device, a bomb, the jet -- plane exploding, whatever.

Daniel Rivera -- Paramedic (E.M.S.) [Battalion 31] At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop"? That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that.

Angel Rivera -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it. Everything shook.

Kennith Rogers -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.

Patrick Scaringello -- Lieutenant (E.M.S.) I started to treat patients on my own when I heard the explosion from up above.

Mark Steffens -- Division Chief (E.M.S.) Then there was another it sounded like an explosion and heavy white powder ...

John Sudnik -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) Then we heard a loud explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I saw tower two start coming down. Crazy.

Jay Swithers -- Captain (E.M.S.) I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.

David Timothy -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) The next thing I knew, you started hearing more explosions. I guess this is when the second tower started coming down.

Albert Turi -- Deputy Assistant Chief (F.D.N.Y.) And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a ring right around the building blew out.

Thomas Turilli -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) ... it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came.

Stephen Viola -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) ... that's when the south tower collapsed, and it sounded like a bunch of explosions.

William Wall -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 47] At that time, we heard an explosion. We looked up and the building was coming down right on top of us ...
these are just a handful of firefighters and emergency workers on the sight when it colllapsed and seen and heard it first hand.  there are many more of people whos testimonies all match that include people from all walks of life...


http://www.911review.com/coverup/oralhistories.html



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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 5:32:58 PM   
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That's that then. You've now made up something out of whole cloth and attributed it to me. I never wrote the quote below.

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I disagree with the vaccuum crap as far as pulling the building in.  The vaccuum collapses nearly immediately, (the greater majority of it before the building even begins to move), the idea of vaccuum have much to do with how the building falls is not entirely accurate.


I now await two retractions and your apology. 


How about staying on topic and lets talk about those witnesses or are you trying to top lucky for bullshit and misdirection LOL

here is the one i was looking for,  shit loads of explosions, rule this is one for the collection!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCLRfxv6DWc

perfect timing on them aye?

Now i do not know of any intense fire or massive impact that can do that.  But then i may be terminally misiformed about worthless drivel like bombs used for demolition n stuff.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 5:39:16 PM   
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rule this is one for the collection!
Unfortunately I no longer am able to watch video's. When I try, my computer complains that I have turned off java scripts - but I rather suspect that some security program is blocking them, as java scripts is enabled.
 
I have been looking at some Pentagon photographs. There is some stuff up in the air above and besides the fireball. Is one or more of them a plane?
 
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/startribune.htm

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 5:46:22 PM   
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I have been looking at some Pentagon photographs. There is some stuff up in the air above and besides the fireball. Is one or more of them a plane?
 
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/startribune.htm


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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 8:38:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		What misdirection? I have never strayed from my point. You have made a claim that I have quite easily proven false and then you made up some BS and tried to make it look like I wrote it. The honest behaviour of an honorabl person would be to admit that you were wrong and to apologize for the attempted deception. Of course it is quite clear that you are neither honest nor honorable but you could prove me wrong.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 11:02:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thats right i am making the claim they blew it all to hell in a controlled demolition, if you wish to speak to that or constest it and call it all lies like lucky does great but put your data where keyboard is.  As you can see i supplied you with several extremely qualified witnesses, several videos with bombs going off on them, silverstien admiting they blew the fucker up.     

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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/19/2007 11:08:39 PM   
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RE: The Big Lie! - 4/20/2007 1:37:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Silverstien admitted no such thing in your video.  Do you have a problem comprehending the english language.  He was refering to the fire crews.  You did not supply a single credible witness.   You are simply lying.

The question is why.  What do you get out of lying about this stuff?

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