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Real0ne -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 5:48:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Silverstien admitted no such thing in your video. Do you have a problem comprehending the english language. He was refering to the fire crews. You did not supply a single credible witness. You are simply lying. The question is why. What do you get out of lying about this stuff? In reply to real I suppose if you want to call the firement "it". Again you prove that you do not undserstand demolition.

luckydog1 -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 10:00:57 AM)
Understand Demolition?? Why would Silverstein and the Fire Chief be talking in technicall demolition terms? Neither one is in demolitions. He was talking with the fire chief, who told him the fire was uncontrollable. And they decided since so many had already died fighting it it was pointless. So he said pull it(refering to the fire crew). But the point is that anyone interested in this can look, and see that you are lying.

thompsonx -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 10:28:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Understand Demolition?? Why would Silverstein and the Fire Chief be talking in technicall demolition terms? Neither one is in demolitions. He was talking with the fire chief, who told him the fire was uncontrollable. And they decided since so many had already died fighting it it was pointless. So he said pull it(refering to the fire crew). But the point is that anyone interested in this can look, and see that you are lying. luckydog1: I find it interesting that you accuse anyone with whom you disagree of lieing. You never seem to consider that they may be mistaken,misinformed or just simply interpretet the data differently than you. Why is it that you are so quick to characterize those who disagree with you as liers. Do you think that by defaming them in this manner you somehow gain some moral superiority in your arguement. Just an observation on my part. Would you care to share? thompson

Real0ne -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 10:49:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Understand Demolition?? Why would Silverstein and the Fire Chief be talking in technicall demolition terms? Neither one is in demolitions. He was talking with the fire chief, who told him the fire was uncontrollable. And they decided since so many had already died fighting it it was pointless. So he said pull it(refering to the fire crew). But the point is that anyone interested in this can look, and see that you are lying. Let me see... um... because "they did it"! !!!! Lucky call up "ANY" explosive demolition company and ask them. "pull it" means bring the building down, which means trigger the explosives and watch it fall go boom. Get a clue already. You are in some severe kind of denial here. The only lie here is the BIG one you continue to spout this propaganda by denying that bombs blew the hell out of the place. Tell your lies to these people with blood all over their faces: Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings! "The 911 Documentary you cannot debunk": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search= The comment that the 70 year old lady makes is precious and she describes this debate quite accurately! Go Granny GO! WTC Bomb Montage PT.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ9-lZ4f71I This archetect is dead now WTC 1 Explosions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZAN5wn-eA Keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4 Fireman: "There is a bomb in the building" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpZdulv66n8 Big Boom and down it comes: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5182535448932065917&q=explosion%2Bwtc&hl=en So how many 2 x 4's does a person have to crack over your head before you figure it out that bombs blew the damn place up and you have been the victim of a con?

luckydog1 -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 10:59:25 AM)
Sure thompson. Because Real has proven that he is lying about this stuff. I do not, "accuse anyone with whom you (I) disagree of lieing". I have pointed out a few other specific lies told by people, but Real and this 911 stuff is the only subject I react in such a manner. For example, Real says(in this thread) that, " Silverstein admitted to blowing it up." That is a lie. We have the video of him saying it.. Real knows it, it is not a mistake, misinformation or intrepreting. Its a lie. Its not defamation if it is the truth. If Real said," on video Silverstien says somehting, that if you ignore the sentance before, have low comprehension skills, and assume he is using technicall demolition terms for some reason, you can sort of twist it into him admitting something". I would not call him a liar, though I would have other choice words. Why do I care about lies being spread on this subject? If you want to know my 84 year old Great Aunt had to walk over the bridge breathing that dust, and died a week later. The apt my Brother and his wife lived in untill 7 months before was destroyed by the derbis that landed blocks away. 3 Friends from High School were killed in the event, and God only know show many aqauintences. And on the afternoon of 911 this stuff started going on the web. There is an industry of people profiting from telling lies about this stuff, and it pisses me off. Not a single one of Real assertions in the months we have been going at this off and on are legitimate, he knows it, and is telling lies. Thompson, so you think Silverstein is admitting in that video that "He blew the fucker up"? I implore everyone to watch it and judge Thompsons answer for truthfullness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

luckydog1 -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 11:06:59 AM)
Real as I have said before dozens of times, all kinds of things were exploding inside, for example the electrical substations on every floor. Those are even all wired together and can explode in series. As well as pockets of Natural gass, Computer monitors, Air conditioners, Boilers. I am not saying those brought the building down, I am saying the made bright flashes of light and noise. Any loud chrash can sound like an explosion, especially in Chaos. In one of your videos it is wind on the microphone making the sound he calls explosions.

Real0ne -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 11:21:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Understand Demolition?? Why would Silverstein and the Fire Chief be talking in technicall demolition terms? Neither one is in demolitions. He was talking with the fire chief, who told him the fire was uncontrollable. And they decided since so many had already died fighting it it was pointless. So he said pull it(refering to the fire crew). But the point is that anyone interested in this can look, and see that you are lying. luckydog1: I find it interesting that you accuse anyone with whom you disagree of lieing. You never seem to consider that they may be mistaken,misinformed or just simply interpretet the data differently than you. Why is it that you are so quick to characterize those who disagree with you as liers. Do you think that by defaming them in this manner you somehow gain some moral superiority in your arguement. Just an observation on my part. Would you care to share? thompson My take on it is that it is purely political, as that is sort of a standard procedure political tactic that plays well for those to lazy to do any real research. It cements those who are skeptics from even considering it, those who are to lazy from looking into it further with a quick answer. It does nothing for getting at the reality of any situation. Notice the continual misdirection. i asked specific questions which would have proved to me if he knew what he was talking about with regard to his "intense fire" theory, and with regard to his "massive impact" theory and he consistantly evades answering those questions, and since they would show me if he knew anything i surely am not going to put the answer up here. So calling me a liar is a convenient way to misdirect the attention off of his own failings and draw attention away from bonafide physics to promote uninformed propaganda. i do not see the problem as me being uninformed at least not in the scientific and engineering world and have little problem speaking to that end. Anyone who can illustrate where i have made errors and i do make errors sometimes big ones as lost treasure and julia can point out i immediate revise my thinking. Lucky takes irrelevant points and focuses on them and evades discussing the pivotal issues at any level deeper than PM magazine said so therefore it is true. Thus that makes me a liar. Because populat mechanics magazine debunked all this for him and they are of course the bible in the face of all those bombs blowing up and testimony of thousands of people to verify it. Anytime someone has nothing to back themselves up just call the other guy a liar!

thompsonx -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 11:26:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Sure thompson. Because Real has proven that he is lying about this stuff. How has he proven that he is lying about this stuff? I do not, "accuse anyone with whom you (I) disagree of lieing". I have pointed out a few other specific lies told by people, I am one of those people whom you have called a liar because we differed in our interpretation of a given set of statements. but Real and this 911 stuff is the only subject I react in such a manner. For example, Real says(in this thread) that, " Silverstein admitted to blowing it up." That is a lie. It is Real's interpretation of what Silverstein has said....but you choose to call him a liar because his interpretation is different than yours. We have the video of him saying it.. Real knows it, it is not a mistake, misinformation or intrepreting. Its a lie. Its not defamation if it is the truth. Your opinion is your opinion and for you to characterize it as "The Truth" is more than a little disingenious. If Real said," on video Silverstien says somehting, that if you ignore the sentance before, have low comprehension skills, and assume he is using technicall demolition terms for some reason, you can sort of twist it into him admitting something". So it would appear that those who do not see it your way all have impaired comprehension skills. I would not call him a liar, though I would have other choice words. What would those "choice words" be? Why do I care about lies being spread on this subject? If you want to know my 84 year old Great Aunt had to walk over the bridge breathing that dust, and died a week later. The apt my Brother and his wife lived in untill 7 months before was destroyed by the derbis that landed blocks away. 3 Friends from High School were killed in the event, and God only know show many aqauintences. And on the afternoon of 911 this stuff started going on the web. There is an industry of people profiting from telling lies about this stuff, and it pisses me off. One would think that the magnitude of your loss might make you at least interested in the possibility of an alternate theory. Not a single one of Real assertions in the months we have been going at this off and on are legitimate, he knows it, and is telling lies. Unless you read minds, how could you possibly know wheather or not Real knows his opinion to be untrue. Thompson, so you think Silverstein is admitting in that video that "He blew the fucker up"? Silverstein does appear to say that very thing. Do you happen to know the time line from when Silverstein uttered those words and the building comming down. Did the building come down hours or minutes after the firecrews were clear. This might shed a little light on this question. I implore everyone to watch it and judge Thompsons answer for truthfullness. Is it your position that if I disagree with your assessement of this question that I too am a liar? thompson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

Real0ne -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 11:35:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Real as I have said before dozens of times, all kinds of things were exploding inside, for example the electrical substations on every floor. Those are even all wired together and can explode in series. As well as pockets of Natural gass, Computer monitors, Air conditioners, Boilers. I am not saying those brought the building down, I am saying the made bright flashes of light and noise. Any loud chrash can sound like an explosion, especially in Chaos. In one of your videos it is wind on the microphone making the sound he calls explosions. Well by calling me a liar you are calling all those people with blood on their faces who got thrown across the room, skin torn from their bodies, hit from flying debris from the bombs that exploded, all the firemen that said there were bombs exploding, all the police that said bombs were exploding, all the news reporters that said bombs that were exploding all liars. the whole fucking city of new york is lying along with me, now thats a tin hat conspiracy. face it buddy you bought into a con. dont feel bad the gov has been conning us for a long time and will continue to do so if and until we put a stop to it and what are you doing to help the situation? Wind on the microphone and then the building immediately falls down ok whatever lucky. there seems to be no limit to how low you will stoop to misdirect the reality of what happened.

Real0ne -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 1:18:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Real says(in this thread) that, " Silverstein admitted to blowing it up." That is a lie. This is what lucky is calling a BIG lie this time: for the benefit of those who do not have video capabilities here is what silverstein said: I remember getting a call from the uh...the fire department commander....telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.....i said you know we've have had such a terrible loss of life..... maybe the smartest thing to do is...is pull it,.... uh....and they made the dsecision to pull and instead we watched the building collapse. (anyone BUT lucky), feel free to correct me if i have puntuation or anything else wrong here!!!! Unless we are talking about a pudd pulling contest that makes buildings fall down, if this not admission of blowing it up then i would truly love to know what is? Anyone? In my mind he clearly asked them to blow it up, they agreed, then blew it up and watched it fall! On other video footage you can hear the firemen talking about clearing the area because they are going to "bring it down". i fail to understand why you have to twist this shit so out of proportion that it takes on a different meaning. Take a looksie at the teenee little fires that are thought not to be controllable. They can contain much larger fires on every other oiccassion but these little fires are just to big. Different views shown in the pics: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc7.html Of course we wont forget to mention that several floors of one of the wtc towers burned out in a "real" raging fire and they did not hav any problem containing that one but this one was just too big. Now as a very sweet little side note.... WTC 7 came down roughly around 5pm its a matter of record. Since when can they rig a building to be demolished in 5 hours? All those boys have a big problem on their hands now trying to contain this. Think about this for a moment everyone, if it takes more than 5 hours to rig a building, then it had to be done before the wtc plane crashes. A mystery ya think?

Vendaval -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 1:27:36 PM)
Hmmm....I always thought "the big lie" was, "I won't come in your mouth"?

thompsonx -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 2:58:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Hmmm....I always thought "the big lie" was, "I won't come in your mouth"? Vendaval: I said I was sorry, did'nt I? thompson

Sinergy -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 6:21:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Hmmm....I always thought "the big lie" was, "I won't come in your mouth"? Vendaval: I said I was sorry, did'nt I? thompson The $64 question is were you sorry you lied about not coming in her mouth or sorry you came in her mouth? Inquiring minds want to know. Sinergy

Real0ne -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 6:33:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Hmmm....I always thought "the big lie" was, "I won't come in your mouth"? Vendaval: I said I was sorry, did'nt I? thompson The $64 question is were you sorry you lied about not coming in her mouth or sorry you came in her mouth? Inquiring minds want to know. Sinergy gun control?

Sinergy -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 6:38:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Hmmm....I always thought "the big lie" was, "I won't come in your mouth"? Vendaval: I said I was sorry, did'nt I? thompson The $64 question is were you sorry you lied about not coming in her mouth or sorry you came in her mouth? Inquiring minds want to know. Sinergy gun control? ^hums a note^ This is my rifle This is my gun This one's for fightin' This one's for fun. ^does the math^ Exactly. Sinergy

Arpig -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 7:56:44 PM)
Don't any of you ever get tired of debating this shit?

Sinergy -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/20/2007 8:07:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Don't any of you ever get tired of debating this shit? No. Sinergy

Vendaval -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/21/2007 12:18:09 AM)
Cheeky bugger tonight, aren't you thompson?[sm=whip.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Hmmm....I always thought "the big lie" was, "I won't come in your mouth"? Vendaval: I said I was sorry, did'nt I? thompson

thompsonx -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/21/2007 4:21:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Cheeky bugger tonight, aren't you thompson?[sm=whip.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Hmmm....I always thought "the big lie" was, "I won't come in your mouth"? Vendaval: I said I was sorry, did'nt I? thompson Vendaval: Dear lady it was only in jest...you know I think the world of you...besides it is my cheek that attracts you to me.[;)] thompson

Vendaval -> RE: The Big Lie! (4/21/2007 2:41:29 PM)
I know dear, those cheeks would look quite beautiful with some stripes across them. [sm=trident.gif] [/quote] Vendaval: Dear lady it was only in jest...you know I think the world of you...besides it is my cheek that attracts you to me.[;)] thompson [/quote]

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