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Spiritual - 4/16/2007 5:44:02 PM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		I have been thinking,the acts of BDSM,and what one is prepared to do.I ask myself why I desire such things,submission,domination,pain,humiliation etc.All I can think to answer my own question,is I seek to journey into myself and therefore believe me being pagan my interest in this is spiritual in nature.Are there any other pagans here who feel the same?
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RE: Spiritual - 4/16/2007 6:08:22 PM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_759471/mpage_2/key_religion/tm.htm#761510
bdsm and christianity to me

http://www.collarchat.com/m_651144/mpage_1/key_christian/tm.htm#651149
"Christian" bdsm?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_101393/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#101393
bdsm lifestyle vs christianity/religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_112713/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#112713
bdsm spirituality???

http://www.collarchat.com/m_114995/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#114995
Christianity and ds bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_154410/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#154410
a sacred take on bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_168844/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#168844
bdsm and religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_176205/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#176205
sensuality & religion = what?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_193896/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#193896
religion and bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_275551/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#275551
christians everywhere!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_323932/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#323932
no...not the spiritual trip

http://www.collarchat.com/m_299050/mpage_1/key_faith%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#299050
power and spirit

http://www.collarchat.com/m_133611/mpage_1/key_spirituality%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#133611
bdsm and spirituality?


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RE: Spiritual - 4/16/2007 6:49:43 PM   
HutchGarahl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin
I have been thinking,the acts of BDSM,and what one is prepared to do.I ask myself why I desire such things,submission,domination,pain,humiliation etc.All I can think to answer my own question,is I seek to journey into myself and therefore believe me being pagan my interest in this is spiritual in nature.Are there any other pagans here who feel the same?


I can understand. Being pagan myself, I try to look at the spiritual aspect in everything I do.

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RE: Spiritual - 4/16/2007 7:06:23 PM   
MasterFireMaam


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Status: offline 		There's a whole lot of us that find spirituality in this lifestyle. I think you'd be interested in this event....next one in in Jan 2008. Last time, we booked the entire hotel...and the hotel always flies the BDSM Pride flag for us!

Southwest Leather Conference

I also think you'd be interested in this Academy. The next one is at the end of this month (April 2007). This one is more expensive, but it's MUCH more intimate with under 30, and often under 20, people. However, your registration includes food and supplies for the ritual piercing and mummification.

The Butchmanns Experience

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RE: Spiritual - 4/16/2007 7:18:57 PM   
onestandingstill


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Status: offline 		I am not Pagan based, but rather Christian based in my basic beliefs.
I'm also one who's studied most avenues of religion and gleaned from various religious groups ad their teachings things that ring true to me.
In that m views are not a traditional view and most people who identify as Christian think I'm a little out in left field.
I absolutely think the TPE, my submission, and scening are all part of our spirit connecting to the spirit of the other or others involved.
I think any time you're in an energy exchange that it comes from the eternal spiritual parts of our beings.
I don't think it matters if you met a Dom/sub and played with him 15 minutes or live with a Master/slave 20 years.
I think the moment our consciousness melds with another in an energy exchange it's way more than just our physical bodies that go on the journey.
I think the soul, spirit and metaphysical aspects are present in the journey as well.
I feel many do this on auto pilot and don't really think of it as a melding of your energies, but in how they feel due to not being in touch with their spirit and the notion your light and energy comes from the spirit housed in our physical bodies.
I don't feel all situations blend your souls and bind you together forever to that other person. I do feel in the intimate energy exchange your spirit does have components that the experience with another alters slightly to heavily depending on what level of relationship you have with the other.
I think certain aspects like blood letting, body fluid exchanges, tantric experiences, and things that have ceremonies attached to milestones like collars, giving and accepting Ownership and submission and the like are spiritual rites that should only be done with respect to the melding and solidification of your spirits being joined in sacred ways.
When I've played with someone who's primary focus was a spiritual journey we partook in vs just someone who plays because it's fun the magnitude and energy in the exchange for me felt very different.
When the Dom was playing for fun it was like he took a journey that caused mine, but we did not link in the circle of the energy from one to the other and back again.
When I played with someone who came from a more ritualistic spiritual aspect the energy ebbed and flowed so strongly you could feel it physically as it ebbed and flowed. It felt sort of like feeling the energy coming and going like my breath in my lungs.
I absolutely think realizing our spirits are connecting and the energy flows between them for me is a much more desired experience.
I have severely strong desires to participate in blood rites and play like cutting.
In the 2 years I've been in the scene so far there has not been any Dom that offered that I would submit my body to even though I want the experience terribly.
I'd rather wait till someone respects this is a sacred journey we go on together and comes from the same focus on this being way more about making me bleed or scratching etches in my skin.
suzanne


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RE: Spiritual - 4/16/2007 7:32:40 PM   
MasterFireMaam


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Your post has shown me that I didn't make something clear: both of the events I mentioned are not totally focused on ONE religion. The leaders include Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Metaphysics, Druid, Wiccan and Native American....so all are welcome.

Master Fire


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RE: Spiritual - 4/16/2007 11:00:58 PM   
szobras


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Status: offline 		I am one that believes that spirituality is always connected to all parts of my life at all times. Someone said to me many years ago,"Make everything you do,.. a ritual. Because it is." I view it in part as a language of understanding. There conveys specific clarities, understandings and learning of my spiritual self, and journey,that perhaps I may not recognize given a different life experience.

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RE: Spiritual - 4/17/2007 2:25:35 PM   
MasterMagnus321


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Status: offline 		onestandingstill- wow- I am very impressed with the depth and clarity of your thoughts- the energy exchange and melding of consciousnesses you mention are poetic- as far as true poetry being, essentially, compaction... and there are some HUGE realities compacted into those few dinky words.  I am a Christian Buddhist, and reccommend Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Nhat Hahn.  Pagan?  By definition... Christianity finds its roots in Paganism!

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RE: Spiritual - 4/17/2007 5:56:39 PM   
onestandingstill


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Status: offline 		Hello Mangus,
Thank you very much for the book recommendation.
I will indeed find myself a copy.

LOL usually I'm not accused of being very compacted & I've actually been working on saying less and communicating more.
I thank you for your compliment from the bottom of my heart.
Pleasant Journeys Sir,
suzanne

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RE: Spiritual - 4/17/2007 6:56:58 PM   
myobedience


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ORIGINAL: MasterMagnus321
By definition... Christianity finds its roots in Paganism!


Very true...
I am confused by the word PAGAN tho.
I lived in rural Zimbabwe and many of those Nationals are still pagan in spiritual practice.  Yet to equate "that" pagan with the American version of pagan is VERY dis-similar. 

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RE: Spiritual - 4/17/2007 7:23:38 PM   
MasterFireMaam


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ORIGINAL: myobedience

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterMagnus321
By definition... Christianity finds its roots in Paganism!


Very true...
I am confused by the word PAGAN tho.
I lived in rural Zimbabwe and many of those Nationals are still pagan in spiritual practice.  Yet to equate "that" pagan with the American version of pagan is VERY dis-similar. 


Technically, a pagan is someone who is neither Christian, Jew or Muslim. At least according to dictionary.com. In general, most see Pagans as at least being some sort of earth religion...but according to the definition, this isn't true. Buddhists and Hindu are, by this definition, Pagan as well. I'm better there is the similarity of the spirituality of your native people to those popular in the US: they are all earth-based spiritualities. So, while your Pagans are probably practicing an earth religion of an African variety, our Pagans are much more likely to be Wiccan, Druid or Native American.

Master Fire


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RE: Spiritual - 4/17/2007 9:30:46 PM   
Mustardseed


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Status: offline 		I posted this in my CM journal earlier this month:

"The Goddess look never goes out of style."

I have stickers with this printed on them. I picked these up years ago during what seemed to have been the height of the fat acceptance movement.

Once I started hanging out at sex-positive events and reading more online about kink in various forms, I noticed something. The goddess became identified as primiarly dominant women. Some mentioned this in their names somewhere, others were called this by their partners.

Oddly, I remember a comment made during a scene for which I was being tied up in a rope dress. The top pulled out the rope he'd selected, which had at least one cable of blue braided through it, and mentioned that he'd specifically picked "goddess colors" for this scene.

There more I've thought about some of the play I've been involved in, some of the things I've endured, some of the things I've offered, the less peculiar his selection of rope seems to be. When I was a kid, I got hooked on Greek mythology. As I've learned more about other panetheons, I've noticed a theme of sacrified from the various gods. Isis being stripped of everything that made her a Goddess in order to searching for the remains of her husband. Odin One-Eye hanging upside down with a pierced side for days in order to gain knowledge. Prometheus being eternally tortured for giving fire to humanity. And so on.

I'm not writing to deny any top or dominant -- male or female -- their connection to divinity. But I do wonder how many bottoms and submissives feel a parallel connection to divinity through their offerings of flesh or service.



The single best blood play scenes I've been involved with have involved not roleplay, but ritual. Having him lean over to lick the blood from my body feels like sacrifice, like communion.

When done without role play, there's enough ritual involved in preparing for a scene that I get into a nearly spiritual headspace before I've been secured to a piece of furniture.

After some particularly vicious scenes, I've had a stunning revelation while out wandering around among the public, "I lived through that!"

It may not be much to some, but it feels spiritual to me.

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RE: Spiritual - 4/17/2007 11:18:27 PM   
Elorin


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Status: offline 		I recommend you to Lee Harrington's website...
http://www.passionandsoul.com/

Lee recently added Shaman to Hir list of talents, as well as being one of the contributors to Dark Moon Rising: Pagan BDSM and The Ordeal Path found here:http://www.cauldronfarm.com/books.html

You are definitely not the only one.
~E

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RE: Spiritual - 4/18/2007 3:33:40 AM   
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Hello A...
 
There are many threads on spiritulity as Em pointed out.  But why only pagan?  One does not to be any particular belief to be interested in the spirituality of BDSM.  You know me, hey - and my spirituality is intune with my synaesthesia - as well as any belief I have.  They are neither the same, nor are they different.  They simply compliment.  You are restricting yourself by only wanting pagans to respond IMO and missing out what others may have to offer.
 
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RE: Spiritual - 4/18/2007 5:04:04 AM   
arayofsunshine55


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quote:

ORIGINAL: myobedience

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterMagnus321
By definition... Christianity finds its roots in Paganism!


Very true...
I am confused by the word PAGAN tho.
I lived in rural Zimbabwe and many of those Nationals are still pagan in spiritual practice.  Yet to equate "that" pagan with the American version of pagan is VERY dis-similar. 

I practice what I consider a pagan religion with its roots in Africa.  But most times int the US the term pagan  when used is not all-inclusive. 

As to the OP, my spritual outlook and way of living is reflected in everything that I do.  In how I inter-relate.  In how I view the world.  And so it is reflected in this stuff as well.  Not because I think it's all so special or so inherently spiritual but rather because of my larger journey.  So how I fuck is no more spiritual than how I work.  And no less.  Or how I think about my mom.  Or how I enjoy beauty in it's many forms.  They are all integrated in me.


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RE: Spiritual - 4/18/2007 9:23:39 AM   
MasterFireMaam


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ORIGINAL: Mustardseed

I'm not writing to deny any top or dominant -- male or female -- their connection to divinity. But I do wonder how many bottoms and submissives feel a parallel connection to divinity through their offerings of flesh or service.


Not only submissives do this. I have: been branded, been pierced, been hooked, been flogged, been mummified and have given service on numerous occassions as a way to connect with the Universe.

What we do does not always define who we are. There are masochistis Masters and sadistic slaves.

Master Fire


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RE: Spiritual - 4/18/2007 9:46:33 AM   
Stranger1


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Status: offline 		The spiritual aspect of humans is hard wired. No matter how you relate to your source-you ignore it at your peril.

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RE: Spiritual - 4/18/2007 9:49:58 AM   
UntamedStar


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Status: offline 		lol i do find it hard to practise my buddhist thoughts while being involved with bdsm..........

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