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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If you shoot people who shoot people there will be less people shooting people. I mean does this sink in here ?

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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ORIGINAL: BrutalDemon

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Ah,... the National Guard is not "The Militia."
And where in the Constitution does it say that "the government" has the right to keep and bare arms?

In the Preamble...

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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

... also here... Under Article I. Powers of The Congress

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To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

... and here...

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Article II... Powers of the President.

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States

That's also what identifies the National Guard as "the militia of the several states". The National Guard are, theoretically, all under the direct command of the State Governors, or their appointed Lieutenant Generals.

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Brutal demon

Arms" include "guns"... but banning guns, does not interfere in any way your Second Ammendment right to "bear arms"... you're just going to have to carry around a broadsword or a halberd if you want to "bear arms".

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

General reply to the subject -
 
I want to address the specific issue about having firearms on university campus.
So far, no one has addressed the problem of what would happen with the combination
of drugs + alcohol + raging hormones + firearms at college keggers and frat parties.
 
Consider the probable outcomes given that combination of factors.
 

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ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack
Who said anything about handguns? Semiautomatic assault rifles AND automatic rifles should also come into play as well. For those who freak out over "everyday people" having machineguns, bear in mind that they were perfectly legal up until 1986 and we didn't have a single Columbine then. The banning of machine guns is unconstititional as was the  "temporarily defunct" 1994 assault weapons ban.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


BrutalDemon, in the Preamble?
I read it twice, I didn't see "the govt" in there.
And it only takes 3 people to form a Militia.
The National Guard is "the state" not "The People."
Demon, from reading your posts it seems that you like to "cherry pick" the Constitution.
How's about we get rid of the First Amendment as well?
Or maybe the Tenth too, those pesky states shouldn't have any "rights", correct?
Once you open that door ALL rights are in jeopardy!

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ORIGINAL: BrutalDemon

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


BrutalDemon, in the Preamble?
I read it twice, I didn't see "the govt" in there.
And it only takes 3 people to form a Militia.
The National Guard is "the state" not "The People."
Demon, from reading your posts it seems that you like to "cherry pick" the Constitution.
How's about we get rid of the First Amendment as well?
Or maybe the Tenth too, those pesky states shouldn't have any "rights", correct?
Once you open that door ALL rights are in jeopardy!

The Government... aka, The Judiciary, The Legislature and The Executive... how ELSE do you define the word? Has the Right, indeed a DUTY, to raise, equip, and regulate a standing military force for the defence of the common good. The Preamble says WHY, the Powers of Congress says HOW, and the Powers of The President says WHO is in charge of that standing army raised.

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ORIGINAL: BrutalDemon
A militia... is defined as "civilians trained as soldiers, but not part of the regular army". How else would YOU define the National Guard? Regular guys, with regular jobs, who are expected to take up arms in a crisis... and NOT UNDER FEDERAL CONTROL. It doesn't get any simpler than that.



Only the the ignorant, or the maliciously disengenuous, fall back on the tired old arguement that it's their Constitutional Right to own or carry guns.

Your ACTUAL "Right" is to SERVE as part of a Citizens Militia... and that can be taken away from you at ANY time, if you persist in abusing that right, like any disobediant child.


"There are none as blind as those that refuse to see" feels really apt at this point.

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.

--Adolph Hitler

Hitler's Secret Conversations, trans. Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens (New York: Signet Books, 1961), 403.

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ORIGINAL: MellowSir

Let's go back to swords, any idiot can pull a trigger, takes a real warrior and real skill to war in a noble and honorable way....in defense of yourself, or someone else