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KeirasSecret -> chain harness (4/19/2007 4:57:36 PM)

The chain harness I have been making is almost finished. All that is left to do are some minor adjustments and acquiring and applying attachments. ;)

It is looking pretty sweet, if I do say so myself, and since I wore it today while I slept; I would say it is pretty comfy as well. :D

I’m having some small technical difficulties though. The idea of the design in the front, which forms a diamond, was so a leash could be hooked to the harness directly, (near the top of the diamond), and when pulled on, would work in choker collar fashion. Although I can get the two side points to move some (not sufficiently) the bottom of the diamond does not move.

I believe the problem, in part, is because the links of the chain are made so that there are indentations so it gets caught in the rings that form the points of the diamond. I have thought of threading something through the chain to make the diameter of the chain more flush in that section (perhaps coated/uncoated wire) copper might look nice, but would like to consider other options.

If anyone has any ideas and would care to share; I would appreciate it.

Thank you, be well,
k



ArtificerOfKink -> RE: chain harness (4/22/2007 1:35:40 PM)

I'm not exactly sure on what the arrangement you're using is but I think I know what your problem is.  It sounds like the chain is getting caught in whatever it's supposed to be sliding through to cause something to tighten.  Chain with links that are spaced closer together and/or flattened chain being pulled through thicker rings would help things out.  To give some quantitative idea of what I'm talking about say the rings are made from 1/4" around bar.  If the chain links are 1" apart things are going to be rough.  1/2" apart it's going to be smoother but still rough.  1/4" apart and, depending on the design of the chain, you can get a smooth slide.  Anything with links closer together than 1/4" you're going to get a smoother and more even movement as the smaller you go. 

You also might not have enough mechanical advantage.  However describing how you might maximize this without knowing much of anything about your design will be a pain in the ass.

Experiment with different sizes of chain and perhaps bigger rings on this one section.  Also play with the design, mainly the length of the piece of chain that is supposed to pull like a choker or play with its arrangement.  I'm confident you can do this without doing something that will be ugly or look too much out of place.

If you have pictures that would help me see what you're trying to do.



EgosumDominus -> RE: chain harness (4/22/2007 9:48:23 PM)

Sounds interesting. As I am very visual its hard for me to define exactly the physics involved here, and the outcome, other than the choker aspect. I take it that chain is running through chain links?
If thats the case, I would use cable and make a transition to the chain leash, but I agree with ArtificerOfKink. Photos would help decern the issue at hand.

Oh, and hello ArtificerOfKink, hope things are well with you and yours.

Brian aka EgosumDominus....GriffinLeatherAndMetal



KeirasSecret -> RE: chain harness (4/23/2007 7:15:44 AM)

Thank you both for answering.

The chain I am using is some stuff that is meant for hanging plants. I chose this chain because of its size (it was the fist stuff I found that was cheap, the right diameter, and weight) and it’s design makes it easy to work with for adjustments and attaching things. It is over bent twisted S, and yes it is getting caught in the rings (keychain rings).

Because I don’t have a lot of money I was hoping there is a way to modify the chain in that area so the gaps aren’t so prominent instead of replacing it. Another option is to replace the rings with bigger ones, as was mentioned; my concern is they would then look disproportionate to the chain, not that I’m not keeping my eyes open. ;) I'm just not sure where I should be looking.

I understand about it being hard to picture. It is a fairly simple design and yet, I still have a hard time describing it. If I can get the pics is there some place I can put them so anyone who responds to this thread can see?

Oh, and I discovered another small problem; because of the design of the links, they expand when I stretch. I have had the misfortune of having my skin pinched in them a couple of times. For the most part it’s not a big deal, but there is one area in particular I wish to prevent this from happening in. Yes, it has already, it was not pretty, and I do not wish to experience it again.

I’m thinking sliding rubber hose over that area of the chain, but again; ideas would be great.

Thank you, be well,

k



Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: chain harness (4/23/2007 7:27:19 AM)

if you cannot upload the picture to your profile quickly enough, you can always create an accout with Photobucket.  The basic account is free.  From there, you can add a link to one of your messages, and all will be able to see the design you are working with.

edited to add link: http://photobucket.com/



KeirasSecret -> RE: chain harness (4/23/2007 7:37:24 AM)

Thank you. :)

Be well,

k



vield -> RE: chain harness (4/23/2007 7:40:25 AM)

I have done a bit of work with chain in jewelry, bondage gear and work items, but your harness design and materials description are not very clear.
If you are making the harness of chain mail, and are making the links yourself, you may find the links catching problem is solved by crimping each link more thoroughly after it is attached to the piece.
If the gap in the links is catching hair or catching threads, sweater wool etc. you can lay out the harness and carefully coat the gap in each link with nail polish. It may take more than one coat, may need to be done on both sides, and each link coated will need drying time.
For inexpensive fairly smooth sturdy chains to just connect bits of a costume, often pet department items are inexpensive and work well. Cat leashes especially can be smooth.
If one part of a costume or harness is too tight or not flexible enough, perhaps an extra angled partial row of links on both sides will give you some slack there.
Many sizes of rings can be bought and also made. However for putting a different size connecting ring at points on the harness, one can buy split rings and thread them on. Large split rings are sold for things like key rings, small ones for attaching fishing lures to leaders.



KeirasSecret -> RE: chain harness (4/23/2007 9:16:22 AM)

quote:

I have done a bit of work with chain in jewelry, bondage gear and work items, but your harness design and materials description are not very clear.


I am hoping I will be able to put some pics somewhere which will make this much easier, but have to get permission first, until then:

Materials

Key chain rings, plant hanging chain (over closed, twisted, S shaped or open ended, twisted 8s), easy release key chain clasps

Design

Basically it is a path of chain that runs over my body in a specific path held in place by key rings and small clasps.

The chain is threaded through a regular dog collar… on the loose end, is a key ring to keep it from slipping through…. On the end that goes into the harness is another key ring….there are two lengths of chain that run from that ring one over each shoulder to my back and one that runs down my front, over the top of one breast…. Attaches to a key ring at my side (a little below and back from my breast) (this forms the  first side point)… then the chain continues to another ring at the bottom point (about bellybutton height) it only runs through this ring, up to the other side ring and back to the top ring of the harness….

I am trying to make it so that when the ring on the loose end that runs through the collar is pulled on, it works like a chocker and pulls the chain tight at the four points that form the diamond…..

May have to just replace the length that forms the diamond…….about 3 or 4 ft worth

Also the two side rings are attached to the lengths of chain that run over my shoulders to the back by two small lengths of chain with clasps. (about bra strap level ) and at the bottom ring (by my belly button) there are two lengths of chain that run around each side to the back and one that runs through the crotch… all three attach to another key ring at the small of my back

The piece that runs through the crotch probably wont be there any longer if/when I get appropriate clamps

Hope this explains it better.

Thank you, be well,

k



ArtificerOfKink -> RE: chain harness (4/23/2007 2:52:18 PM)

Hi Keira, 
Given all the information you provided here’s what I would do.  I would replace the dog collar with some sort of smooth rope or thin cable, of the same arrangement.  Although it won’t be all chain, something I wouldn’t like either, it will give you the best possible results.  Perhaps just try it and see what happens.  It will really give you your best possible result and you will at least be able to see how the whole thing functions under the best possible circumstances.  I didn’t really mean to use so many “best possible” phrases but whatever.  

As for the chain pinching because it’s expanding.  How I would do it is solder together all the ends together.  Actually I would braze them if the chain would support it, but that’s a little too far for you.  Silver solder is neither expensive nor does it contain lead like other solders.  A pencil torch would be the preferred method both as far as cost and being efficient.  Anyway, I suspect you may now what to go this far but if you’re interested I can help you out with the details.



KeirasSecret -> RE: chain harness (4/24/2007 11:35:28 AM)

quote:

Hi Keira, 
Given all the information you provided here’s what I would do.  I would replace the dog collar with some sort of smooth rope or thin cable, of the same arrangement. 


Hi!!!

I had picked up some mini biners when I got some of the other materials, they are 5mm, and the chain does slide through those better then the key rings (about 2-3mm) I may look for some rings about the same width as the biners.

It has come to my attention, while considering the possibilities, trying to get the choker effect my not be the best plan. I have figured out what it is about the design that is preventing it from working properly. At the same time, I realized the path the chain would be pulled in will cause one nipple to be pulled down while the other is pulled up….. Dude!... Do you know how un-kool that would look!?!? Doh!!!!


quote:

Although it won’t be all chain, something I wouldn’t like either, it will give you the best possible results.  Perhaps just try it and see what happens.  It will really give you your best possible result and you will at least be able to see how the whole thing functions under the best possible circumstances.  I didn’t really mean to use so many “best possible” phrases but whatever.
 

LOL… That’s ok… it is trial and error, with many options :)

quote:

As for the chain pinching because it’s expanding.  How I would do it is solder together all the ends together.  Actually I would braze them if the chain would support it, but that’s a little too far for you.  Silver solder is neither expensive nor does it contain lead like other solders.  A pencil torch would be the preferred method both as far as cost and being efficient.  Anyway, I suspect you may now what to go this far but if you’re interested I can help you out with the details.
 

Hmmmm… I do have a brother that welds…. I wonder.

Thank you for your help, be well,

k



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