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crouchingtigress -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 12:41:20 AM)
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susie -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 12:51:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Minnetar --- I try to not to get personal on these boards, but I have to say that my respect for you has dropped with each of your posts in this thread. Your telling parents how to raise their own children, something you admit you've never done, is getting really tedious. DC I have to say I am with DC on this. I am sure everyone of us is concerned with children and their welfare but clearly, by what Julia and Sinergy have said here and on other threads, they both love their children very much. It is arrogant to suggest that you or I know better than the parents how those children should be raised. As you said you are not a parent so you cannot possibly have any idea what it is like to be one. Being an Aunt does not qualify.

minnetar -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 12:55:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: susie quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Minnetar --- I try to not to get personal on these boards, but I have to say that my respect for you has dropped with each of your posts in this thread. Your telling parents how to raise their own children, something you admit you've never done, is getting really tedious. DC I have to say I am with DC on this. I am sure everyone of us is concerned with children and their welfare but clearly, by what Julia and Sinergy have said here and on other threads, they both love their children very much. It is arrogant to suggest that you or I know better than the parents how those children should be raised. As you said you are not a parent so you cannot possibly have any idea what it is like to be one. Being an Aunt does not qualify. You can choose whatever you please but i find their language extremely abusive and extreme. Sorry my opinion but Sinergy and his rude comment was out of line regardless of how you feel about him. minnetar

minnetar -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 12:57:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: susie quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Minnetar --- I try to not to get personal on these boards, but I have to say that my respect for you has dropped with each of your posts in this thread. Your telling parents how to raise their own children, something you admit you've never done, is getting really tedious. DC I have to say I am with DC on this. I am sure everyone of us is concerned with children and their welfare but clearly, by what Julia and Sinergy have said here and on other threads, they both love their children very much. It is arrogant to suggest that you or I know better than the parents how those children should be raised. As you said you are not a parent so you cannot possibly have any idea what it is like to be one. Being an Aunt does not qualify. Please contact a counselor if you feel i am out of line - i don't believe so - and if not have them read Sinergy'scomments and then talk to me about it as all i have done is try to be supportive - get a clue

susie -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 1:17:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar quote: ORIGINAL: susie quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Minnetar --- I try to not to get personal on these boards, but I have to say that my respect for you has dropped with each of your posts in this thread. Your telling parents how to raise their own children, something you admit you've never done, is getting really tedious. DC I have to say I am with DC on this. I am sure everyone of us is concerned with children and their welfare but clearly, by what Julia and Sinergy have said here and on other threads, they both love their children very much. It is arrogant to suggest that you or I know better than the parents how those children should be raised. As you said you are not a parent so you cannot possibly have any idea what it is like to be one. Being an Aunt does not qualify. Please contact a counselor if you feel i am out of line - i don't believe so - and if not have them read Sinergy'scomments and then talk to me about it as all i have done is try to be supportive - get a clue I think you need to relearn the meaning of the word supportive. All I have seen is you be argumentative. What I have seen in the posts from Sinergy and Julia (yes I have read them) is them being open and honest and fully supportive of their children. As you said YOU have never been a parent. YOU cannot possibly know what bringing up a child entails until you go through that yourself. Seeing others do it from the outside is not the same thing. As for you suggesting that my post is swayed by my feelings for Sinergy, that I think shows your level of mentality. I do not know him or have ever even had so much as email contact with him. I am sorry if you do not understand that people can support issues here without it being personal.

TheHeretic -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 8:04:57 AM)
General reply Well this thread has certainly run off on a tangent. From what I'm seeing of Baldwin's response, his PR people would be thrilled. Let's everybody talk about what a horrible, bitter experience divorce is and ignore the fact that this is a man who uses vicious verbal abuse when talking to his ____. A ____ who is so important to him that he doesn't even know how old she is. That line struck me as the cruelest. One of my favorite topics on these boards is the partisan double standard at work in politics and the media. Baldwin's attacks on conservatives over the years are buying him a little time and a fraction of Grace, but I don't think it will last. This tape is simply too revealing. I'm of the opinion that too many on the Left have been willing to swallow core values in their hatred of Pres. Bush. But they ARE good people still, and they aren't going to swallow this for long. He's done. (Sinergy, I have responded in this thread to what you likely intended as a rhetorical question. The topic is one where I have strong opinion. It was not my intent to be judgemental of how you conduct your relations in an obviously challenging situation. We all have our Kryptonite. It drove me nuts when my father would blatantly change the subject.)

Sinergy -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 9:15:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy] So what answer would you prefer I give them? Sinergy Putting it off on the court makes it seem like the only reason you won't talk trash about someone they love (even if you don't) is because you're not allowed to. It sounds like you mean it in joking sort of way, but if calls don't get returned, perhaps they don't see the joke? As I pointed out, my ex-wife has dragged me back in to court or the mediator 5 times about things she perceived as being issues, and admitted trashing me to my children enough times to HIM that he recommended I file contempt of court charges against her. He said with him as a witness, based on what she told him in private, she would be picking up trash on the freeway for months. As I pointed out, in the situation as it stands (the kids living with her) the ones who end up the losers are the kids. So I turned the other cheek because I believed that was in the best interest of the children. I can pay somebody to hear my issues on the subject, if I need to. quote: What's wrong with,"It's not right for me to talk about her with you?" And then DON'T. If the things you want to say are true, won't they figure it out for themselves eventually? Won't they remember which parent at least tried to be civil and kind? I am not sure how much interaction you have had with pre-teens, TheHeretic, but "It is not right for me.." begets the question "why not?" from a 12 year old. The question "why not?" begets the court order comment. Call it a preemptive response. I use the approach you recommend now. It works reasonably well with my 20 year old. My 17 year old is the one who still lives with her and wont return my phone calls when his mother flies into one of her snits. I never discussed her mother with either of them, prior to the age of 18. After my daughter turned 18 and asked, I simply provided her with the relevent court documents, reports from the conciliator, and the more interesting and juicy of her mother's hundreds of nasty emails to me and my old relationship, and let her make her own decision on the matter. When they have tried to discuss her with me I change the subject or stand mute. When they ask me questions about my side of the issue is when I use the "I cannot discuss your mother with either of you based on the court order." Sinergy

Sinergy -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 9:25:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Sinergy must be out dancing not asleep rofl. minnetar This comment is rather obnoxious and juvenile. [sarcasm] Are you this sweet an individual in person? [/sarcasm] Over the years, I have been given reams of unwanted and unasked for advice from people both with children and without children who insisted the elder of my UMs was going to grow up to be an ignorant criminal. [sarcasm] This explains why she ended up with full scholarships, one to one of the foremost universities in the country where she is currently earning a 3.9, was elected to any number of school offices, has done a large number of altruistic civic things (serving food at homeless shelters, setting up women's studies and self defense classes at her university, etc) and is planning on getting a PhD in Anthropology with emphasis on Women in Society. [/sarcasm] Do actual parents a favor and write a book about your vast knowledge and success raising children so those with actual hands-on experience raising children and being parents can abstain from buying it. Sinergy

TheHeretic -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 10:35:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I am not sure how much interaction you have had with pre-teens, TheHeretic, Quite a bit, Sinergy. My mother's second divorce was incredibly nasty and a lot of responsibility for my younger siblings came to me (there is a significant age gap). Things like food and a roof and school clothes and why some behaviors are simply not acceptable in society. I'm not spouting philosophically from my rectum. I've tried very hard over the years NOT to discuss their father with them. Sometimes the best I could do was try. They have all come to understand what kind of person he is. They have also come to their own place of knowing the faults of someone they love and carrying forward the best relationship they can You speak sometimes of adrenal response. I find it interesting that such responses can be far more potent when the attack is directed at someone or something a person loves than when directed at the person themselves. We can pick our friends, but we are stuck with our relatives. It's very hard to be in the middle. My siblings know I have issues with their father. I know they still love him despite being able to tell a few horror stories of their own. Why go there? To the "why not," question, I have given that hated cryptic response, "you'll understand when you're older," or the even more frustrating, chuckle and "don't you have homework" approach. I wish you the best in a difficult situation.

juliaoceania -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 10:43:02 AM)
quote: To the "why not," question, I have given that hated cryptic response, "you'll understand when you're older," or the even more frustrating, chuckle and "don't you have homework" approach. There comes a time in some situations when one has to help the adult child fill in the missing pieces as it relates to the child. Sometimes that seems next to impossible to do. My view is that half of my son's DNA is my ex's, I never wanted my son to feel as though his father was a monsterous person. For one I do not think he is a monster, for another that would have hurt my son... My situation was excerbated by the addiction problem. My ex became hooked on crack soon after we were married, while I was pregnant with my son. It is a monkey he had on his back until about 5 years ago, and he has told me himself all the time he lost with his son weighs on him... It causes him to hide from it because taking responsibility was never his strong suit... so he pretends my son does not exist on an emotional level. He can't cope with what he did. Edited to add, my son carries a gene for addiction. I had to tell him this, he had to be warned that he could fall into the same trap as his father. It may save his life to have that information.

truesub4u -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 12:34:11 PM)
Not narely a soul can honestly say they've never been yelled at.. or done the yelling. And when one is serverly pissed off, things get said that later one wishes they hadn't of said them or could take them back . Kim Bassinger is as much the problem as her estranged ex husband. As for all we know, the message was made up. Half left on daughters voice mail, half on Kims. And someone forged and made up whole thing. The only reason we're all not assuming this thought is Mr Baldwin has appologized and has not so far to our knowledge broke the court orfer by speaking about it to the media. Where as it is common knowledge that in the past Bassinger has done just that, broken court order on a gag order. She too has had other run ins for losing her temper as well with studio execs and such that has landed her in court for failure to complete said contracts. Because of her temper and throwing things and walking out on film projects. {It's call archives... might want to check some of them out} So it's seen here as both parents need to get a grip on reality and stop the bullshit. Yeah I know.. so much for wishful thinking there. But what the hell. As long as they're in the public eye, good publicity or not, they're getting it. And with Mr Baldwins new tv series, to which I believe is gonna take a hard blow for this. I hope recovers with all the other fine actors on the show. (Funny I don't watch it though...lol) So taking sides on this is really hard to do. Bassinger is just as much a diva bitch as Baldwin is an asshole. But I seriously think the child will be fine. Being at the age of 11. If counseling was needed, signs would show by now. I think having two strong, stubborn assholes for parents, Ireland is probably stronger than being credit for.

Sinergy -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/22/2007 12:53:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic To the "why not," question, I have given that hated cryptic response, "you'll understand when you're older," or the even more frustrating, chuckle and "don't you have homework" approach. I am a patient person, TheHeretic. I dont use the "you'll understand when you're older" approach because I have no idea what a person will understand, but that is just me. I simply responded with what I did, and was chastised by others here for the approach I used. The thing I will not do is lie to my children, and I am extremely open on every other issue. Standing mute about their mother gives them the same message as the response I did use. What I think was most appropriate about my approach is that when that response is regurgitated back to my ex-wife, there is no way she can try to twist it into some reason to drag me back into court. As I have pointed out elsewhere, just the child support adjustment for paying support for the delta for six years between a six figure income (me) and 0 (her) when the reality was about 35k for me and I am guessing 20k for her would bankrupt her. I simply pointed out to anybody who wanted to talk to me about her (like my parents, etc) that with the money and the contempt charges, the last place she ever wants to see me (and the last place I ever want to be) is with opposing council against me in court. My parents keep her around as a pet, and I mentioned to them that they should keep her on a very short leash. Sinergy

kaie -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/23/2007 2:18:56 PM)
Greetings all, i don't know enough about either person to say one way or the other with certainty, though by some of the responses it seems that others know them intimately, or are at the least very interested in this case. Not being judgemental, just finding it curious. i think today we have to take into consideration that often what we get in regards to celebrity news is really nothing but gossip and to take it as such. From what i've read or seen neither one of these people seem very stable. Alec may be an abusive jerk, but Kim seems like a passive agressive manipulator. Which is worse? Neither really, in my opinion. The sad part is that the little girl is stuck in the middle. Alec seems to rant and rave but Kim seems to use the child to get back at him. From reading the message, i haven't listened to it, it seems like most of his anger is directed towards Kim, but he's taking it out on the wrong person. It also seems that maybe there's a bit ( i know, the word bit is laughable) a bit of a parenting difference here. He seems to be saying that Kim doesn't care what the child does, where, or with who. He's demanding respect, Kim doesn't demand/teach those values. i could be reading more into it there but.....i think he definately could have used better words to get his point across, but maybe she is a spoiled rotten brat that doesn't have any concern about others lives and or schedules. This doesn't seem to be the first time this has happened, from what he's said. What we have to remember is that there's always two sides to every story and without hearing his i don't think it's fair to immediately assume he abuses his child. Show me a perfect parent that has never used harsh words with their kids and i'll show a parent that doesn't spend any time with their kids. However, at the same time i agree with others here in that words can cause deeper bruises than fists can. i'm just not ready to grab my pitchfork and join the mob yet.

DanTheTanMan -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/23/2007 5:43:45 PM)
Of course he's an abusive asshole. He is ultra liberal after all and like all liberals HATE anyone or anything that disagrees with their warped reality. He cheerleads for the terrorists, calls our troops killers, and anyone expects sanity from this clown?

Sinergy -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/23/2007 5:59:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DanTheTanMan anyone expects sanity from this clown? I expect comparing Sanity to a liberal will cause him to have a meltdown. Sinergy

Sanity -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/23/2007 6:49:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: DanTheTanMan anyone expects sanity from this clown? I expect comparing Sanity to a liberal will cause him to have a meltdown. Sinergy My daughter asked me if anything scares me I told her that the only things I'm afraid of are evil clowns Of course, she asked me why And so I told her in a very evil voice that I used to be one, before she was born - and so I know how horrible they can be I think she's almost convinced that its true And it is true I was a Liberal once

minnetar -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/23/2007 7:26:23 PM)
lmao that was cute!! minnetar

Sinergy -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/23/2007 7:31:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I was a Liberal once In your defense, I do not remember who to attribute the quote to, but it has been said. If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative when you are old, you have no brain. Sinergy p.s. Gee, I used to believe that until AnencephalyBoy took over the Republican Party. He is proof positive that one can be conservative and dumb as a bag of hammers.

imthatacheyouhav -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/23/2007 7:38:31 PM)
i was liberal in the 70's....LOL...and when i was a kid my dad TOTALLY had me believing there was a Jackalope. he had this stupid Jack Rabbit with antlers ...LOL...

TheHeretic -> RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter (4/23/2007 8:37:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I was a Liberal once In your defense, I do not remember who to attribute the quote to, but it has been said. If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative when you are old, you have no brain. Sinergy I've heard a slight variation of this, attributed to Winston Churchill. And here is a variation on one by Ronald Reagan; I didn't leave the Liberals, they left me.

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