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Real0ne -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/22/2007 2:28:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007
Its make me wonder how many other dams are set up as hydroelectric and are not in use . I bet dozens at least.


Do i have a thread for you!  Check out my free energy thread and you will see MANY others who have the same problem.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_972090/tm.htm   






Real0ne -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/22/2007 2:31:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

People forget about Russia.
They have more "known" reserves than the entire middle east combined.
Russia is huge, it comprises 14 different time zones. The continental U.S. has 4.
That must be why Exxon/Mobil and all the other big oil companies are involved in Russia.


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ORIGINAL: deadbluebird

there is twice as much oil in iraq as we belived.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6570623.stm

the native americans did fine without oil. life does not end when the oil ends.. i think perhaps life will get better.


Suffice to say all the oil charts we get are bullshit too.

i agree as far as the indians are concerned but there is not anough biomass in the world to heat our homes etc...  would have to reduce the population to about 1 billion.




deadbluebird -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/22/2007 3:48:46 PM)

i'm for population reduction.




thornhappy -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/22/2007 4:28:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: samboct

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Plutonium is an emitter (don't remember what- pretty sure it's a gamma emitter)- is easier to track- but if ingested- see the movie DOA (wasn't plutonium, but you get the idea)-and it takes really, really small amounts to do you in.  You can ingest a lot more uranium and survive. "

Hi samboct--

Plutonium's an alpha emitter.

thornhappy




Real0ne -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/22/2007 6:04:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

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ORIGINAL: samboct

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Plutonium is an emitter (don't remember what- pretty sure it's a gamma emitter)- is easier to track- but if ingested- see the movie DOA (wasn't plutonium, but you get the idea)-and it takes really, really small amounts to do you in.  You can ingest a lot more uranium and survive. "

Hi samboct--

Plutonium's an alpha emitter.

thornhappy



visions of uncle fester!  lol




Griswold -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/22/2007 6:46:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deadbluebird

i don't understand exactly what your trying to say. are you saying human life is dependent on oil? we Need it to exsist? seems a bit silly to me.




See's a bit realistic to me.

Try getting your Chevy to the market on chocpuffs.




samboct -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/23/2007 7:40:28 AM)

Need

Point taken- yep, from that viewpoint, in the US, we have a long way to go.  Clearly ethanol is way ahead of biodiesel at this point, but the estimates for biodiesel in 2006 were triple the sales in 2005.  I find looking at examples in other countries useful because they indicate what's achievable.

Thorn- thanks for the clarification- never played with any isotopes (OK, one experiment a long time ago with some 32P) but some of the people in my research group did, but obviously not Pu.

exbluebird-  You know, at a discussion last night with a guy from a large materials firm- I got aggravated enough to utter the heresy- "Out of oil- So what?"  In the grand scheme of things, I think the out of oil argument is rather Malthusian (Rev. Thomas Malthus who always argued that population expansion would exceed food production leading to famines and war.) and needs to be examined more carefully.  Effectively-we've adopted to the world we live in, and running out of oil is not the same as running out of energy (that would be a problem!).  And like the idea that motorcars would replace horses as transportation (look at Manhattan in the 1900s versus the 1950s- in 5 decades, the horse as transport was just gone, yet there were millions at the turn of the century) I suspect that the love affair with the gasoline powered automobile may fade as quickly.  There are lots of alternatives, but the major disruption will occur if we don't start planning at least some of the transition now.  One of my favorite phrases from a conference- "Invention happens."

Sam




Sinergy -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/23/2007 9:11:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

Try getting your Chevy to the market on chocpuffs.



What about all those people who have bumper stickers that say...

"I would rather push a Chevy than drive a Ford."

They should not have any problem getting their Chevy to the market.

Sinergy




Real0ne -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/23/2007 10:16:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

Try getting your Chevy to the market on chocpuffs.



What about all those people who have bumper stickers that say...

"I would rather push a Chevy than drive a Ford."

They should not have any problem getting their Chevy to the market.

Sinergy


sell em a cocpuff to gas convertor?




slaveluci -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/23/2007 12:46:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deadbluebird
the native americans did fine without oil. life does not end when the oil ends.. i think perhaps life will get better.

Yeah..let's all hold hands and sing Kumbayah 'round the campfire [;)]  Life as we know it in 21st century America is not anything like the world the Native American's enjoyed.  What you're talking about is pretty idealistic and i'm not sure it's even desirable.  No, life doesn't end but hey, the Native Americans sure didn't have the internet either.  Are you sure you really want to live like they did?   slave luci




Real0ne -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 4:28:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: deadbluebird
the native americans did fine without oil. life does not end when the oil ends.. i think perhaps life will get better.

Yeah..let's all hold hands and sing Kumbayah 'round the campfire [;)]  Life as we know it in 21st century America is not anything like the world the Native American's enjoyed.  What you're talking about is pretty idealistic and i'm not sure it's even desirable.  No, life doesn't end but hey, the Native Americans sure didn't have the internet either.  Are you sure you really want to live like they did?   slave luci


well there is a lot of alternative energy sources that have had noses turned up to by this government to protect the oil monopoly.   That is why i decided to build myself a fusion reactor and go off the grid, if nothing else to protest and the 3000+ bucks i pay a year (car gas not included), may as well stay in my pocket.  i am looking at a 2 year break even!!!    Like the old saying goes if you want something done right you have to do it yourself. 

i also noticed the silence of the global warming people, here is a solution and they are silent.  i am not sure what to think about that.




CuriousLord -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 6:41:12 AM)

....

This.. is all I can really say to you.  I'm strongly questioning your sanity.  Your logic is beyond the point of merely being questionable.
..was this post a joke..?




MellowSir -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 6:50:57 AM)

There is a finite supply of oil, who wants to bet that in 20 years or so the gov tries to avoid responsibility for the collapse of our oil-based economy. We wouldn't even be in Iraq if it weren't for oil, alternative energy needs to be more widely in use NOW, not after it's too late..... get rid of the suv's people, in having them you're just buying into a system that will, eventually, collapse. Then you'll be walking.




CuriousLord -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 6:59:03 AM)

..you're assuming the Iraq War was over oil..
..and then you're using that, in a circular arguement, saying that this is why the government was to use oil..

The government's trying to get away from fossil fuels.  I've spent the last semester writing a term paper on the future of nuclear power.. and the numerous government subsidies used to promote it.

This thread wreaks of conspiracy theory without anything but an obvious distrust of government as support.  Plus everyone's referring to "the government" as though it were a solitary entity with a unified agenda.

Yes, it's freaking obvious something needs to be done about our energy issues.  But bringing up Iraq and governmental conspiracy theory to somehow use as a basis for this argument?  I'm not exagerating when I say that's literally crazy.




fingerman075 -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 7:43:26 AM)

let talk about how people have come up with cars that run on very little gas,will the gas conpany buy them out too keep them form selling they cars ,gas company will pay inventer a millons not too put them on the market




Griswold -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 8:08:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Everyone run i have been thinking again!  (God help us all) i have been connecting the dots with the fake global warming (Yeah...all those glaciers floating around in places they never were before...TIME magazine is behind that to increase sales) and fake terrorism (pipe bombs, dead children, etc....sure...it's all fake), the war that will last 100 years etc and here is what i come up with.

First america nevers pays attention to anything until our asses are 1/2 gone in the meat grinder then we go um duh our asses are 1/2 gone think we should do somthing about it now?  Always when it is to late...  its a matter of history.

So here is what ithink is the big picture.

First if you all do not know we only have about 30 years max of oil supply left in this world (sure...uh huh), so if you got a hummer enjoy it while you can.  We have no serious r&d where we are pouring in zillions of bucks to make new energy sources. 

If you tell people that there is only 30 years left of oil they look at you with this incredibly dumbfounded look on their face like duh wha?  Well its tru we are at the end of the oil age and its coming to a halt fast.  Why else would we fake a war and with our military protect the only remaining oil reserves in the world (Of course, let's not consider in the mix the most recent discovery by Chevron in the Gulf of Mexico of something on the order of 15 billion barrels which will begin flowing in roughly 7 years, the Alaskan oil yet to be tapped of an estimated similar amount, a recent Russian discovery of close to 5 billion barrels, or even the latest Cuban news that they have located close to 20 billion barrels off their coast in recent months...but hey, we don't need facts for a decent argument now, do we?).

At the same time create a huge global warming scare to reduce the use of fossil fuels (You're not even remotely close to the real story...but that's okay, from previous posts, I'd venture a guess that educating you is enough of an uphill climb, it's simply not worth the effort).

These are 2 very simple dots that i have connected here that i think tells a huge story that is not being told to the people of the world.  we are running out of oil, and once it is gone thats it the end curtain falls show over.

Then what?  30 years tops, then what?  Make sense?

Only those with an education of a four year old would debate global warming.  It's a fact, it's here and it will run it's cycle.  We may survive it and we may not, but stopping its march on our planet is not something we'll avoid.
 
Is it caused by humans?  That's one I'm not smart enough to debate.  Are we exarcebating the problem?  I'm not smart enough for that one either, but I can assure you, as a planet, as a society, as a people, we are smart enough to make sure we don't make it worse...which certainly means doing many of the same things we've always done, with fewer carbon polluting fossil fuels.
 
If indeed we are running out of fossil fuels, then this will have been a good wake up call for us to find alternative methods to achieve our goals, giving us ample time to replace our profligate ways with methods much healthier for our planet.
 
If as some suggest, we are not running out of oil, what better opportunity for us to find alternate methods of achieving our needs, than the previous one, which sends money to people who are determined to kill their very own fatted goose, turning every dollar we send them by purchasing their oil, into 50 cents worth of bombs to kill our own people (and in almost as many cases....their own people)?
 
If it's all just an enormous hoax and we end up sending fewer dollars over to people that want to see us 6 feet under, thereby negating their financial ability to do so, or it turns out to be one of the few things we've been told by higher ups that have turned out to be actual fact in our lifetimes....personally, I'm glad the discussion has begun.





Griswold -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 8:15:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


First if you all do not know we only have about 30 years max of oil supply left in this world, so if you got a hummer enjoy it while you can.  We have no serious r&d where we are pouring in zillions of bucks to make new energy sources. ...


These are 2 very simple dots that i have connected here that i think tells a huge story that is not being told to the people of the world.  we are running out of oil, and once it is gone thats it the end curtain falls show over.

Then what?  30 years tops, then what?  Make sense?


Yeah...

About that...

There is enough pristine, untapped sweet crude oil under the ice in Antarctica to meet human need for the next 500 years.


do you have any data on that?

Canada is actually trying to produce the oil from their sand, why would they do that if it is so plentiful?



(Well, there's this little thing about pipelines, and manpower, roads and all that really expensive shit....see...uhm, Canada already has roads and stuff.  The oil exists, and in plentiful numbers worldwide...but it's a smidge more expensive than the stuff in Canada currently.  I'm sure there's a few videos on YouTube that might help you discern all this heavy thinking stuff).




Griswold -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 8:22:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: samboct

"This is an unrealistic assumption.We could use up all the fissionable U-235 maybe but U-238 is  over 100 times more abundent. You use U-238 in a fast breeder reactor( google breeder reactor or super-phenix) to make fissionable plutonium-239 . A breeder reactor uses the U-238 to make the plutonium-239  and in 10 years  it makes enough to  power a second reactor.  During this 10 year process it uses the heat of the reaction to produce electricity. Then you start all over."

Unfortunately, Plutonium is about the most toxic stuff known in the universe (and I don't remember what the other daughter product is of U-238 when its bombarded- but it's got to be lighter.)  Uranium is far less toxic than plutonium- since U-235 or 238 are both pretty stable isotopes-basically don't emit anything unless it's getting close to critical mass.  (Problem for detection- it's hard to detect unless you use a neutron detector- which works great-but it kinda zorches any humans nearby.  D'OH!)  Plutonium is an emitter (don't remember what- pretty sure it's a gamma emitter)- is easier to track- but if ingested- see the movie DOA (wasn't plutonium, but you get the idea)-and it takes really, really small amounts to do you in.  You can ingest a lot more uranium and survive.  Don't think anyone has ever lived from plutonium ingestion- any measurable quantity.  This is why nobody wants to touch plutonium as a power source- since fission plants use tons of fissionable materials- manufacturing that volume of a super toxic material really doesn't make a lot of sense.



I read somewhere that a teaspoon of plutonium dropped into the Potomac river would kill everything in Washington D.C.

Sinergy



(FINALLY someone has a useful plan!!!!)




Real0ne -> RE: Global Warming and Oil (4/29/2007 2:52:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fingerman075

let talk about how people have come up with cars that run on very little gas,will the gas conpany buy them out too keep them form selling they cars ,gas company will pay inventer a millons not too put them on the market


geet, fish to name 2 off the top of my head, oh yeh tesla, neuman, alexander, fleischman







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