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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:05:07 PM

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alright...how do I get rid of this Vanilla adjective attached to my profile...I'm at least chocolate...and prolly a great deal more.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:06:39 PM

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OK...here's my final snippet.....i have things to do....if you dont want to carry, or think its necessary then dont

but dont impede upon me.

I'm not looking at carrrying this burden everyday, day in and day out,

all i want is the capability to protect me and my family from madmen such as this.

thats it.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:06:57 PM

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No, not everyone.

The criminals among us already have unlimited access to any kind of weapon they wish to have, simply because they ignore the laws.

The law abiding among us are increasingly disarmed and defenseless against the criminals, simply because they choose to follow the law.

Allow the people who are trained and qualified to have the choice of carrying a weapon to defend themselves and others. The police and military can't do it effectively, so allow people to be personally responsible for thier own safety and security.

Who determines who is trained and qualified? The gunman bought those weapons legally.

minnetar

As I said in an earlier response, there are already processes in place to obtain a concealed carry permit in many States. These seem to be working well.

Buying a weapon legally and obtaining permission to carry a weapon legally are two different things.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:11:15 PM

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I think it sucks nasty ass.

I am unclear what gives one a right to drive on the right side of the street, but a fee to the government (and they constantly disobey these laws)

but it is unclear to me what good having paid the money to have a permit to carry when you have done it your lifelong--- what does that buy you and what does that have to do with a shortbusgalloper going off on some segment of society and what the solution to that is?

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:11:27 PM

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What does it take to carry a concealed weapon? Some classes?

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:13:01 PM

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OK, so you are saying that things would be so much better if EVERYone had guns???? again, this makes no sense at all....

Why does everybody make this illogical assumption every time? Abortions are legal, has everybody had one as a result? This is about allowing those who are qualified the opportunity to carry, not a public/private mandate to hand out guns and threaten incarceration to all who refuse to carry them

That said... private university, private laws. If those private laws remove the people's safety measures and something happens... lawsuit. Sounds right and just to me.

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Concealed carry requires a permit issued by the state. In order to obtain the permit the applicant must undergo an extensive background check to ensure the states qualifications are present. Fingerprints must be submitted as well as certification that the applicant has completed a state approved laws and safety course.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:13:43 PM

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Unfortunately there is no solution to the problem of someone going postal.

Evil is inherent and despite all good intentions it cannot be eliminated.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:15:40 PM

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What does it take to carry a concealed weapon? Some classes?

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Yes, usually a series of classes, live fire, qualification, and psycological screening. Most states vary on the requirements.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:17:09 PM

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but surely the government could pass a law or restrict their damage to society at large since they own them from cradle to grave, shouldnt somebody have seen this coming or have legislated thier way out of it? aint that pretty much what has been the thrust of this?

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:21:17 PM

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but surely the government could pass a law or restrict their damage to society at large since they own them from cradle to grave, shouldnt somebody have seen this coming or have legislated thier way out of it? aint that pretty much what has been the thrust of this?

Aren't some people upset about the number of rounds the shooter was able to do? i apologize as i do not know gun terminology. i know the shooter added i think it is called additional cases.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:31:42 PM

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Aren't some people upset about the number of rounds the shooter was able to do? i apologize as i do not know gun terminology. i know the shooter added i think it is called additional cases.

minnetar

Yes, they are called the Brady Foundation. They and certain ignorant legislators sucessfully tried to ban all magazines in excess of ten rounds (boxes that hold more than 10 bullets) for ALL firearms in 1994. The ban ended in 2004. I am not certain about the Glock the shooter armed himself with, but I know the magazines for the .22 were 10 round magazines.

As much as a tragedy as this case is, it is a treasure trove of shit to sling in the world of gun control. Does anybody remember anything about the victims of Columbine? Does any body even care? Today this is a terrible tragedy. but in 8 months this is going to decay into nothing more than a "a deranged resident alien used two legally purchased handguns to kill 30+ people"

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:38:15 PM

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The legislature in VA stopped a bill last year that would have allowed qualified persons to be armed on college campuses.

Many of the victims at VT could well have been saved if just one person had been able to stop the rampage.

But, nobody could, since the State disarmed the honest and law abiding people and took away their right to self defense.

Would certainly be an interesting law suit if anyone has the balls to do it.

Silverwulf, if that school is accepting *Taxpayer Dollars* what gives them the right to deny people their 2nd amendment rights?
What if they tried that crap with people's 1 st amendment rights?
THEY have no right, authority or whatever to deny rights to people that are protected in the Constitution.
I certainly hope there are multiple lawsuits against that school and against the people who came up with such B.S.
And the State of Virginia should withold any funding until that school gets right with the U.S. Constitution.
I mean who the hell do they think they are doing that kind of stuff?
People like that shouldn't be teaching our kids!

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:38:29 PM

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yeah, and it aint a starter.

Saddam killed many more than that at one shot, didnt use a gun, and not many here could figure out what I am saying or explain it without research.

It is still yellow journalism. 32 people getting whacked? a right to carry state? the green mountain boys? ad nauseam?

I am way older than you, but stupid is stupid and it would go like this.

there I am booting coke on a warm summer day with the salty breeze and sea air wafting westward on the white sand beach of the outlying buildings in the park at Virginia Tech, perhaps getting a cock sucked off me by some little naked virginian froggie girl with an attitude ----

All of a sudden, a series of sharp reports ring out---
confusion, chaos----

I cannot run very fast, but I would be passing the nappy headed ho's what can.

I would be near dismal seepage, iowa about the time you caught your breath, your boyfriend collected his thoughts and i would be considering options.
I think people that think it is so sophisticated and cosmopoliton to pack their cracks together should not dictate policy to those of us that are wiser.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:49:48 PM

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Extremely interesting but i wish You would expand on Your thoughts instead of being vague and making us do the research. lol sorry it is late and i am being lazy.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:51:16 PM

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I am waiting to hear about lawsuits, not sure if they will sue the state of VA or
the University. Some may sue both.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:51:38 PM

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alright...how do I get rid of this Vanilla adjective attached to my profile...I'm at least chocolate...and prolly a great deal more.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:52:53 PM

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this girl can send me a picture.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:54:52 PM

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I'm sure just about everyone that can be sued will be sued. But, the lawsuits will be for wrongfull death and such.

I want to see a lawsuit regarding the school and state taking away the right of self defense. Nothing in it about reparations or spectacular sums of money, but instead to change the laws that will not let people defend themselves.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 8:59:43 PM

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HAH?

sorry, I am unaware of such a law, in fact the constitution still guarentees it, dont mean you wouldnt have to go to court or stand up under sueing...I just dont think anyone would prevail against you----

I wouldnt have thought twice about cakking the fuck, if I was there, been there before and the government said it was ok.

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RE: VT victims families should sue state of VA - 4/21/2007 9:00:03 PM

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but surely the government could pass a law or restrict their damage to society at large since they own them from cradle to grave, shouldnt somebody have seen this coming or have legislated thier way out of it? aint that pretty much what has been the thrust of this?

I'm curious as to how does one legislate the evil that lirks in someones heart. Over that course of about 18 or so 20 minutes, would you feel any better if he had taken a hammer and killed several individuals with that as well. Considering that obesity most likely is close the number one "cradle to grave" killer in this country and contributes to far more more deaths and long term medical conditions than firearms deaths, if you are truly passionate about body counts wouldn't obesity legislation be more prudent?

A major paradigm shift in dealing with the mentally ill is needed. Besides how did someone with such vile anti-social behavior become a college senior?

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