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ChrisTanzu -> Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 12:17:14 PM)
The question is hypnosis in sub Dom couple a good idea. I think it isn’t my self I do some hypnosis but I would never do to a sub.

yenlui -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 12:44:42 PM)
I assume it's as good idea as any idea as long as it's safe and consensual, and both knows what they're doing.

Stazia -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 12:49:26 PM)
i have always been interested in this, i am a sub and i wouldnt mind trying it but there would have to have been a lot of trust built up to that point, i think it that the dom could really take advantage of the situation if he were so inclined.

fawn4me -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 12:49:25 PM)
i've been curious about hypnosis for a long time; i just question whether it actually works, how deep i'd go and if i'd have memory of what i do

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 12:50:58 PM)
It can be a good idea if both people definately want it. I know that Angel and I have been considering it for quite a while, using it as a tool to help him further his regressions inour age play. Hypnosis cannot force someone to do things that they would inherently object to, so using it to assist someone in ditching some of their hangups isnt troublesome. DV

MEDomofwinds -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 1:01:26 PM)
There are many fears and misunderstandings about the use of hypnosis and hypnotherapy, and the myths and mystery that surround it are totally undeserved. There is no form of unconsciousness and nobody can be made to do anything that they do not want to do; a person in hypnosis is aware of everything happening around them, aware of themselves and will retain a full and accurate memory of everything afterwards. It is like a morals clause in a contract, your mind won't allow it to happen. If both parties are in total agreement and there is trust. Almost anyone can enter the hypnotic state easily, with the exceptions of the truly mentally subnormal, very young children, and anybody under the influence of hard drugs or very large quantities of alcohol. Best Regards

MistressNoName -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 2:06:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MEDomofwinds There are many fears and misunderstandings about the use of hypnosis and hypnotherapy, and the myths and mystery that surround it are totally undeserved. There is no form of unconsciousness and nobody can be made to do anything that they do not want to do; a person in hypnosis is aware of everything happening around them, aware of themselves and will retain a full and accurate memory of everything afterwards. It is like a morals clause in a contract, your mind won't allow it to happen. If both parties are in total agreement and there is trust. Almost anyone can enter the hypnotic state easily, with the exceptions of the truly mentally subnormal, very young children, and anybody under the influence of hard drugs or very large quantities of alcohol. Best Regards I once bottomed to a Top who wanted to try hypnosis in our sessions. I agreed to this on a couple of occasions, but ultimately did not feel that I was going under. I don't think I am mentally subnormal, I'm an adult and I do not do drugs of any kind - hard or soft...and I believe that he knew what he was doing (that he told me the truth about his credentialing, and experience in the field)...I simply do not believe I went under. Now, perhaps it is because I was totally aware of what was going on around me and I never felt any sensation of loss of time or memory. I would appreciate if you could describe the hypnotic process a little more fully so that I can gain a better understanding of it. Thank you, MNN

BitchGoddessD -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 4:42:59 PM)
I have a hard limit on hypnosis. I have experienced it and was not able to go under. It is thought that fear of repressed memories is why I am so resistant. I do not consider Myself mentally subnormal. Since they are repressed memories, I have no idea what could result if I finally did go under. I do not believe any but a professional should delve into anyone's mind. Yet I adore bringing a sub deep into subspace, under My mind control, a willing participant. Am I not contradicting Myself? Or is a hypnotic state completely separate from subspace?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 5:02:25 PM)
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Celeste43 -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/22/2007 6:55:41 PM)
So if she wanted to quit smoking, or grinding her teeth, you wouldn't help her do this? In order not to cross your ethical line, and I agree that's important, consider doing it only if; you have both discussed exactly what behavior you are trying to moderate, and exactly what words you propose to use. Assuming she agrees that the end result is worthwhile and sees no problem in how you go about it, then why not try it.

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/23/2007 5:56:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fawn4me i've been curious about hypnosis for a long time; i just question whether it actually works, how deep i'd go and if i'd have memory of what i do It works quite well. You'd go all the way inside. And, you'd remember unless you wanted to forget, or if the hypnotist gives you a suggestion to forget that you accept. quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName I once bottomed to a Top who wanted to try hypnosis in our sessions. I agreed to this on a couple of occasions, but ultimately did not feel that I was going under. I don't think I am mentally subnormal, I'm an adult and I do not do drugs of any kind - hard or soft...and I believe that he knew what he was doing (that he told me the truth about his credentialing, and experience in the field)...I simply do not believe I went under. Now, perhaps it is because I was totally aware of what was going on around me and I never felt any sensation of loss of time or memory. I would appreciate if you could describe the hypnotic process a little more fully so that I can gain a better understanding of it. Thank you, MNN What was the Tops' judgement as to whether or not you were hypnotised? So far you've only told us that you weren't convinced that you were hypnotised. That's completely different than you weren't hypnotised.

selfbnd411 -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/23/2007 6:01:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName I once bottomed to a Top who wanted to try hypnosis in our sessions. I agreed to this on a couple of occasions, but ultimately did not feel that I was going under. I don't think I am mentally subnormal, I'm an adult and I do not do drugs of any kind - hard or soft...and I believe that he knew what he was doing (that he told me the truth about his credentialing, and experience in the field)...I simply do not believe I went under. Now, perhaps it is because I was totally aware of what was going on around me and I never felt any sensation of loss of time or memory. I would appreciate if you could describe the hypnotic process a little more fully so that I can gain a better understanding of it. Thank I've heard that as much as 25% of the population is not subject to hypnosis. It has nothing to do with intelligence!

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/23/2007 7:01:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 I've heard that as much as 25% of the population is not subject to hypnosis. It has nothing to do with intelligence! Intelligence, ability to concentrate, fear, comfort, and desire all play parts in a persons ability to go into trance. 100% of the human species can go into trance. Dr. Henry Monroe proved this a long time ago when he took 500 people at random off the streets of Chicago, and had them all get profound hypnotic anesthesia. Richard Bandler had the people from Stanford bring up a woman who was a zero on their scale(meaning she was completely unhypnotizeable), and he had her demonstrating every hypnotic phenomenon known to man.

MistressNoName -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/23/2007 9:05:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tyku quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName I once bottomed to a Top who wanted to try hypnosis in our sessions. I agreed to this on a couple of occasions, but ultimately did not feel that I was going under. I don't think I am mentally subnormal, I'm an adult and I do not do drugs of any kind - hard or soft...and I believe that he knew what he was doing (that he told me the truth about his credentialing, and experience in the field)...I simply do not believe I went under. Now, perhaps it is because I was totally aware of what was going on around me and I never felt any sensation of loss of time or memory. I would appreciate if you could describe the hypnotic process a little more fully so that I can gain a better understanding of it. Thank you, MNN What was the Tops' judgement as to whether or not you were hypnotised? So far you've only told us that you weren't convinced that you were hypnotised. That's completely different than you weren't hypnotised. Which is why I was hoping that MEDomofWinds, or anyone else who was aware of the hypnotic process could explain it more fully. He thought that I did go under, to answer your question, but that still does not convince me that I did go under...and this is what I had hoped to gain better insight about. MNN

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/24/2007 5:23:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName Which is why I was hoping that MEDomofWinds, or anyone else who was aware of the hypnotic process could explain it more fully. He thought that I did go under, to answer your question, but that still does not convince me that I did go under...and this is what I had hoped to gain better insight about. MNN Did he tell you what he based his judgement on? I'm thinking you would've posted it had he done so.. If you still have contact with this hypnotist, I suggest you ask him that, and/or ask him to hypnotise you to do a convincer. There are a number of external signs of hypnosis. The eyes will redden. Breathing patterns will change(if you normally breath high in your chest, it will shift to your abdomen, or to deep full breathing). Partial or full-body catalepsy. Eyelids fluttering before closing. The extremeties will become warmer(hands/feet). There are signs that you can notice or become aware of if you're not very in tune with your external kinesthetic experience that hypnotists use to convince people that they've been in trance. An inability or lack of desire to move/speak. Time distortion(you felt like the experience only lasted a minute or two, but it really took a lot longer, or the opposite). Forgetting some period of time, and then remembering what happened when the hypnotist tells you to. Vivid positive hallucinations(if you don't usually have those). Becoming aware that you're in a vastly different position than you last remember being in(standing compared to laying down).

MistressNoName -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/24/2007 8:01:30 AM)
No, he didn't tell me and no, I am not in contact with him anymore (thank goodness). And the only thing I can relate to from your list of signs was that I felt somewhat relaxed during the process...but that to me does not indicate that trance had been achieved. Interesting. Thanks for the info. MNN

aldompdx -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/24/2007 8:42:02 AM)
MEDomofwinds is correct. Yet, most of the above posters continue to confuse hypnosis with a trance or "going under." This reflects the desire to achieve a spiritually transcended state through BDSM. Manipulation of one's subconscious reactions or influences is NEVER consensual, because a person is unaware of them. One cannot consent to that which they are unaware of. One can do the inner work necessary to become aware of their deeper subconscious issues. Then they gain the conscious self will and free choice to do something.

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis and sub / dom (4/24/2007 3:43:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName No, he didn't tell me and no, I am not in contact with him anymore (thank goodness). And the only thing I can relate to from your list of signs was that I felt somewhat relaxed during the process...but that to me does not indicate that trance had been achieved. Interesting. Thanks for the info. MNN Hmm... would you feel comfortable relating more fully your experiences with this dom in which he made efforts to hypnotise you either here or in an e-mail? From what you've said so far it's still possible that you were indeed hypnotized.

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