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Sanity -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 4:19:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: justheather That leaves us Who all do you claim to speak for? quote: pretty much with the conclusion that you believe this to be true about other people because it is true of you. No, it is not true of me as you claim, that's just your own misconception. I myself have a fairly good moral foundation but, as I read today's news it's easy to see that morals are a thing of the past, and I'm simply commenting on it as it relates to this thread. Of course, I'm no angel... I'm the angel-maker. But I'm not quite the monster that you're trying to paint me up to be either.

domiguy -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 4:54:08 PM)
I believe that the absence of a God would create a want for people to do everything possible for the betterment of themselves their children and their community...This is it! There is only one shot...So why not make the most of it while you have the chance! their is no mumbo jumbo of Heaven or Hell...There is no ultimate redemption...So why not live your life knowing that all you have is now and today and the present....How I am viewed and thought of by the people I hold dear, love and respect is of much more significance than trying to appease and putting my faith in some burning bush.

Sanity -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 4:59:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy I believe that the absence of a God would create a want for people to do everything possible for the betterment of themselves their children and their community...This is it! There is only one shot...So why not make the most of it while you have the chance! their is no mumbo jumbo of Heaven or Hell...There is no ultimate redemption...So why not live your life knowing that all you have is now and today and the present....How I am viewed and thought of by the people I hold dear, love and respect is of much more significance than trying to appease and putting my faith in some burning bush. Read the news though, and learn that you're unique.

juliaoceania -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 5:03:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy I believe that the absence of a God would create a want for people to do everything possible for the betterment of themselves their children and their community...This is it! There is only one shot...So why not make the most of it while you have the chance! their is no mumbo jumbo of Heaven or Hell...There is no ultimate redemption...So why not live your life knowing that all you have is now and today and the present....How I am viewed and thought of by the people I hold dear, love and respect is of much more significance than trying to appease and putting my faith in some burning bush. Read the news though, and learn that you're unique. I believe the human soul is eternal. I do not think that there are rewards for "good" people and "punishments" for bad people. I believe that all of us get the same thing after we die, which is to go back to the source of what we came from. I could be wrong, my beliefs are not set in stone, I could buy that life is a random event that has no meaning too, and it does not matter to me what happens after I am gone, because worrying about it is not going to change it. My point is, domiguy is NOT unique. I have known many people that were members of free thought societies and they do not believe in God, and they were all contributing members of society. You are just ignorant about Atheism

Sanity -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 5:17:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania You are just ignorant about Atheism I'm not even commenting on Athiesm, julia - so get a grip.

domiguy -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 5:20:58 PM)
The problem lies in the news...We know everything that happens instantaneously...The fact is that murrder rates are at an all time low in the U.S. Other countries who would not be considered to be a hot bed of (Christian) god fearing folks Macedonia, Czech Republic, India, Indonesia as well as France which has a huge muslim pop all have murder rates subsantially below that of the U.S. We like to kill each other...there are countries who do a better job of killing each other but I say things are not that bad....And most violent crimes have done nothing but drop in occurrence since the sixties.....I don't think it is an absence of God, it is more that we just enjoy a good killing every now and again. It's what our nation is founded on...Guns, Guts and every now and then a little God.

Sanity -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 5:35:59 PM)
I really don't think that things are getting steadily better, as you claim. Not at all. I think that crimes are getting worse and more heinous, and that kids are committing really bad crimes at younger and younger ages. And if violence is dropping, that could be because our prisons have never been so full (which is a fact that runs completely counter to what you're trying to say).

minnetar -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 5:56:30 PM)
Sanity, i am not religious in the least. i do have morals though. They came from the upbringing of my parents and what they thought was right and wrong. i have a sense of what also is wrong based on the laws in the country and choosing to abide by them. minnetar

Sanity -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 6:06:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Sanity, i am not religious in the least. i do have morals though. They came from the upbringing of my parents and what they thought was right and wrong. i have a sense of what also is wrong based on the laws in the country and choosing to abide by them. minnetar With each succeeding generation I think we're moving further and further away from that.

minnetar -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 6:12:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Sanity, i am not religious in the least. i do have morals though. They came from the upbringing of my parents and what they thought was right and wrong. i have a sense of what also is wrong based on the laws in the country and choosing to abide by them. minnetar With each succeeding generation I think we're moving further and further away from that. Is it religion or the family unit and upbringing? i think probably more of it is based on how people are being brought up meaning the family structure as it is now. minnetar

Sanity -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 6:47:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Is it religion or the family unit and upbringing? i think probably more of it is based on how people are being brought up meaning the family structure as it is now. minnetar That seems like a chicken/egg question to me. Families used to have grandparents in the home and the grandparents often tried to use Bibles to instill fear into kids about God and Jesus and all their merry henchmen. Now Granny and Gramps are warehoused in nursing homes until they finally die from old age and loneliness and the only time God is mentioned is never. Video games babysit a lot of kids, most kids pretty much run wild, and it's extremely difficult to control them. You can't spank them, or hardly even raise your voice. There are drugs and gangs in public schools and on the way home, 25% of High Schoolers in Washington State use drugs and alcohol regularly... and who even reads a Bible? Not me... I read it twice, and then swore it off forever. Too damn violent and freaky, and Jesus' last words were different depending on whether it was Mathew, Mark, Luke or John telling the story. I am no holy roller, and God isn't in MY home. I'm spiritual, with a touch of Evil whenever I think it's warranted, but then I never claimed to be perfect or to have any answers. I'm just saying that these problems in the schools can be traced back to a lack of morality caused by a lack of the fear of God that many people used to have. No one has that anymore, or hardly anyone. That's all I'm saying - why is it so controversial. Samuel Clemens made Tom Sawyer god-fearing for a reason, you know? And I'm pretty sure that if Samuel Clemens wrote that book about a modern boy, it would have been a lot different story. Becky would have been a FINE Ho an shit... and I doubt that Church would ever have been mentioned

minnetar -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 7:05:33 PM)
i appreciate your opinion but we can agree to disagree. You say the chicken and egg. i see the family separate from religion. minnetar

Sanity -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 7:13:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar i appreciate your opinion but we can agree to disagree. You say the chicken and egg. i see the family separate from religion. minnetar Family is damn important, with or without religion. I guess I'm talking about society in general, historically.

mstrj69 -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/25/2007 7:35:08 PM)
As for religion which I believe in, take your choice, is it a lack of it that makes people be more violent ? Or is it the idea no matter what you do, you can be forgiven and saved in the end that make them more violent ? I know kids who were brought up with having to go to church and listen to all they supposedly were taught yet they still turned out bad. I lean more towards the nintendo and computer and tv playing mom and dad while they do who knows what as being the problem. How many parents do not know where there kids are at night or half the time for that matter ? Some are too busy chasing the almighty dollar to buy the newest game system for their kid to worry what types of games are the kids playing or learning from them.

Sanity -> RE: "Threats of violence in schools soar across U.S." (4/26/2007 3:29:47 AM)
I think that many of the things that we're seeing, things like children and young people committing massacres in combination with suicide pacts and other extremely heinous crimes... these things aren't done with an eye on salvation, you know. For one thing, those who believe in Jesus should know that in Christianity, suicide is an unforgivable sin. So it's ridiculous to say that these things are done with later forgiveness in mind. And I really don't think these kids are religious at all anyway, I don't think hardly any kids these days are. You don't either, really - do you? Sure, the preachers' kid used to be the biggest hellraiser around, but that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking more about society as a whole thinking in the back of its head that this is a sin, and that's a sin, and so they shouldn't be done. What the fuck is a sin now. You never even hear the word. These days, who stops and thinks, "Ooh - that's a SIN. I better not do THAT! I could go to HELL." Nobody. And I don't really miss that mentality, but I wonder if that's not why things are, excuse the pun, going to hell...

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