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Mercnbeth -> Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 11:17:13 AM)

Considering ones mortality is an exercise you go through every time you schedule an annual physical as I just did. Part of that consideration sometimes involves wishing you could go back and start again. However present conditions in my personal life, as well as the world around me, make the fantasy of starting over less attractive. As a matter of fact, I'm happy to be closer to the finish line than I am from the starting line.

On this topic. I found this presentation linked below interesting. At the end I was glad that I was wasn't 21 and starting out in life/career. In fact I felt sympathy for those who were.

Curious to know what you think.

http://www.glumbert.com:80/media/shift

I didn't verify the data and statistics. If you choose to argue that aspect - go for it.

It is about 6 minutes long.




pahunkboy -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 11:28:01 AM)

right now i am on dial up- as i need to see what my new bills are.

i think tho-in reply to your post- it is very important....to be where you are. dont obsess on the past- and dont be in the "some day" mode.  when u live in the past or the future u lose the present.

as one ages- a sort of wisdom comes. we are more realistic over life and its parameters.

the question to ask as you age; what do u want to be- a cheerful spry chipper person; or a bitter complainer??

i myself am guilty of taking on the bittter route. life screwed me- i was mad.  but- 4 years of drs and courts will do that to a person. i now choose to be more optimistic- to find my day in the sun.

the world is full of ppl who will rain on your parade- so why help them??

no matter how bad ur life is- there is someone worse- i guarentee u that.

the neighbor lady told me im still a baby- i admire her zest for life and told her so.

who says you cant reclaim your zest for life????




gypsygrl -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 1:59:27 PM)

I didn't watch the video, but I am so frigging happy to be where I am.  I wouldn't go back for anything.  I feel like at 40, the rest is just a matter of coasting down hill. :)




LaTigresse -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 2:11:14 PM)

I am on my work computer with no speakers but I will answer the best I can based upon what I got.

At almost 45 (in a few days) I have to say, neither. I like being "in the middle".




seeksfemslave -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 2:20:55 PM)

 A very very interesting question. I would like to have "stopped"  at about 40 when I think I had just managed to "find" myself and get what to me seemed a coherent world view not conditioned by the powers that be.

Under no circumstances would I like to go back to childhood, schooldays or adolescence.

Unfortunately old age doesnt have a great deal in its favour but I still ride a quite powerful motor bike and today went a run out into the local countryside and drank a half of a pint  costing 3 pounds. A reference for the Brits.
1.50 for a half of bitter!!!! Sacre bleu. Gott in Himmel.




marieToo -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 2:42:23 PM)

 I don't really see a finish line (besides death itself)  Otherwise I see a whole bunch of starting lines.  I've passed through many of them--like eras of my life--and I hope to pass through several more. 


On edit:  Seeing the tape sure puts it in a slightly different context.  Very interesting watch.   




Mercnbeth -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 3:44:01 PM)

quote:

On edit:  Seeing the tape sure puts it in a slightly different context.  Very interesting watch.


marie,
I agree! I suspect my response was effected too. Scary huh?




gypsygrl -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 4:47:03 PM)

Ok, I looked at it.  Future shock.  




Griswold -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/25/2007 6:16:12 PM)

Merc...don't misunderstand my response as directed at you...it's not.

While I'd never argue that change isn't happening at a frightening pace in our lives, that presentation, with minor deviation could have been played in 1965, 1980 and certainly 1990 and still have been as persuasive.

I enjoy, even at a young 48, the fact that there is unending opportunity in front of me, and wild successes behind me.  I love the fact that others find so much doom and gloom in their future because, like so many that came before me who said "when others are selling...buy...when others are buying...sell", I see opportunity in every cloud.

It ain't raining on my parade.

And I've put it in the bank all while nodding approvingly at all those who seem overwhelmingly determined to spend incredible effort telling me how fucked up the world is about to become.

I'll never change them...but my future is my own.

I could debate every one of the "statistics" that are in this presentation (and several are extremely self serving...as in the author very dearly wanted to make his point...inacurately in more than several cases) and every one of my debates could be countered by someone with as much desire to show me their way of thinking as I might have in showing them mine.

I got over fighting others true desire to see the world with dark sunglasses years ago.

I stopped worrying about all the folks that feel an incestuous desire to tell me "it can't be done" or "we'll neeeeeeeeever maaaaaaaaake it" a long time ago.  I just let them vent...while I go get it done.

For some reason, it makes them feel better, and it doesn't upset me in the least.

And frankly, they don't really want to hear how possible or how easy things can be anyway.

In answer to your original question; I'd be happy either way....finishing, or just starting out.

(However...if I was just starting out...I'd like to have my current brain :)  )




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/27/2007 1:30:01 AM)

I wish I had seen this earlier...even yesterday!  But the hour is late, and I have not the 6 minutes  +  response time.  Reading though the other posts  makes Me very curious, though.  Hoping this is still going when I can watch the video this weekend.  If not, I will refresh the thread! 




Asraii -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/27/2007 1:41:07 AM)

I can honestly say that at age 40, I am happy with what I have achieved, and I feel motivated at what the future still holds.
 
I have no wish to start over again; and I am in no hurry to see the end [:)]
 
And yes, I watched the little video




shallowdeep -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/27/2007 4:12:54 AM)

As someone who is "starting out," I personally tend to see changes in the future in an optimistic light as both challenges and opportunities. I'm not sure if the video was intended to be purely bleak or not (although certain parts did seem to lean in that direction), but that wasn't its overall effect on me.

A couple of things from the video in particular elicited a reaction from me.

Regarding students at four year educational institutions:

"...half of what they learn in their first year of study will be outdated by their third year of study."

Human knowledge is cumulative. The creation of new knowledge doesn't usually invalidate existing knowledge. Even in those cases where new understanding does mostly supersede previous knowledge, understanding the "old" knowledge and the process used to obtain a new understanding is invaluable.

Furthermore, and more to the point, education is not about memorizing technical knowledge - it's about learning how to both learn and create knowledge and, equally importantly, instilling a lifelong desire to do so. An education then helps transform the rate of change in our world from something potentially daunting into endless opportunity.

"We are currently preparing students for jobs that don't yet exist... using technologies that haven't yet been invented... in order to solve problems we don't even know are problems yet."

While I feel the statement is perhaps a bit misleading in light of change being a cumulative process, my reaction when I read it was, "I wouldn't have it any other way."

I'm not blindly optimistic about the future. It doesn't take much vision to foresee some of the significant challenges that will have to be faced personally, nationally, and globally. Despite this, I view the challenges as interesting problems with solutions waiting to be found and/or implemented and I can't help but look forward to the journey even with the understanding that it will be far from perfect.

At some future point in time I can envision myself contented to be approaching the proverbial finish line, but I'm not at that point yet and, despite it still being early in the race, I do sometimes find myself wanting to rerun it knowing what I do now. I guess I see living without regrets as an indication of having lived with a deficiency of dreams. With that said, any remorse for a past that can't be changed is outweighed by hope for a future that can be.

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Pondering what I'll think of this post in 2049... assuming I haven't been able to afford a $1000 computer with more computational capability than the human race to do my thinking for me, of course. =)




pahunkboy -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/27/2007 5:45:07 AM)

i view myself as 1/2 way. connvenintlu- the best of both worlds.





GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/27/2007 5:38:56 PM)

Very interesting.  One cannot know if the statistics bear out, or how they were arrived at, but I am glad I am in the spot I am.  Maybe I have the best of both the experience of the past and the innovation of the future. 
Yes, I am glad I am where I am.... 




missturbation -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/27/2007 5:49:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

A very very interesting question. I would like to have "stopped"  at about 40 when I think I had just managed to "find" myself and get what to me seemed a coherent world view not conditioned by the powers that be.

Under no circumstances would I like to go back to childhood, schooldays or adolescence.

Unfortunately old age doesnt have a great deal in its favour but I still ride a quite powerful motor bike and today went a run out into the local countryside and drank a half of a pint  costing 3 pounds. A reference for the Brits.
1.50 for a half of bitter!!!! Sacre bleu. Gott in Himmel.


You need to visit my pub hun. Real cask ale for £1.29 a pint [:D]

edited because :- i forgot to post my answer to the initial question. Thats old age for you. Im happy where i am and thats where i am staying because im going to live forever as i am too scared of dieing to let it happen. [:o]




wandersalone -> RE: Would you rather be "starting out" or "finishing"? (4/28/2007 9:16:50 AM)

I found the video interesting though I did wonder where the person got their figures from.  Just taking one comment from that -  ‘todays learners will have 10 - 14 jobs by the time they are 38’ – in groups that are related to career planning we tell people that they are likely to have around 5- 8 major career changes in their working lives.

The people in previous generations believed that they would be(and often were)  in jobs for life whereas I doubt that this is the norm anymore.  My feeling is that because the people who are starting out in their working life do not focus on getting the one job and staying there forever they are much less attached to the ‘job for life’ notion than my parents or grandparents would have been.  Kind of like they do not miss what they never had.

In the 25 years or so of working life I have in front of me I feel that the challenges I will face are to some extent similar to those of someone entering the workforce – we will both need to be continually reinventing ourselves and updating our skills to remain competitive and necessary in the labour market.

Finally, in answer to the question (I may ramble however I try to get to the point eventually [:D]) I am glad that I am at my current stage of life both personally and professionally – I would never want to return to adolescence! I am glad to not be starting out and also hope that I am not quite 'finished' yet!

ps.  I have probably had about 15 jobs in about 4 or 5 quite different occupations in 24 years...bloody hell I feel old!




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