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How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizing d... - 4/25/2007 6:56:54 PM

hoagie

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There is no confusion in my mind, I am a natural sub. But from time to time I enjoy topping. I have a wonderful make sub friend, and we often take turns switching roles. I am still fairly green as far as this lifestyle goes, especially when it comes to pain. So my question is this: What are some safe and creative ways to inflict pain. Of course, I will be trying everything on myself first, and his safety is of utmost importance. As far as I know, he enjoys everything from clothespins to cuttings.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/25/2007 7:25:05 PM

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How much pain are you talking about? A little or just shy of torture?

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/25/2007 7:54:39 PM

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What kind of sensation do you want to create? Clothespins and paddles are both great SM tools, but they're different.

It's harder to damage people with stingy, surface impact than with deep impact. You cannot break bones by drawing back the end of a bamboo skewer and snapping it. The worst thing that will happen is a splinter, and it'll probably happen to you, but I've been doing this for a while and I've never gotten a splinter from it. It is very hard to seriously hurt someone with a plastic flyswatter. It is also rather hard to seriously harm someone with a quarter inch rattan cane, or a rubber "koosh ball" flogger. Short handles are easier--move your grip closer to the striking surface if you are having aim issues. Before your scene, practice aiming. Striped pillowcases are good for this.

You don't need striking accuracy to do non-impact play, like using clothespins or rubber bands. You need to check for numbness, but that's not that hard. Test on yourself, if you like.

Maximum pain with minimal danger: probably a TENS unit, but they're costly, and you do have to learn to use one.

Monica

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/25/2007 7:57:37 PM

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quote:

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What are some safe and creative ways to inflict pain. Of course, I will be trying everything on myself first, and his safety is of utmost importance. As far as I know, he enjoys everything from clothespins to cuttings.

Sterilized needles under the fingernails ought to do the trick.
I'm pretty sure you won't put them in too far before you pull them out.

< Message edited by Invictus754 -- 4/25/2007 7:58:34 PM >

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/25/2007 9:12:13 PM

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I am actually talking about the full spectrum. I know nothing about this, because I don't really enjoy pain. No one has ever done it to me. I know that I need to start on the lower end and work up gradually.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/26/2007 4:44:37 AM

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I am a sadist...Pain for those who are masochists is SOO much fun. Let's focus on one area for the moment. Since CBT is fun lets start there...

Starting slow....gentle patting mild slapping of the balls, a finger flick to the shaft of the penis is a nice start. Then clipping on those clothespins would come next in MY natural progression. You can put them all over the balls, but my favorite thing to do is run a straight line of them starting at the base of the penis and going straight up to the glans. The higher you go the more sensitive. Once you are good with clothes pins...I move on to binder clamps. You know..those black and silver deals in offices? They come in three sizes and you can get them at any office supply store. The bigger clips equal less pain the smallest clips equal tons of pain. *Try it on your nipps first if you really want to know*

The longer the clamp is in place the more time for lack of circulation which means more time the area is "alseep" which means the more pain caused when it comes off and blood flow returns. Of course too long and you kill blood supply...only minutes at a time, dear girl, not hours.

Then once clips and clamps and pins are in place I wiggle em around...OUCH!! and then out comes the wax.

What you need to know about candles...either purchase kinky candles that while still pretty colors have a low melting point or use plain old parafin wax candles *emergency candles....I purchased my last set for a buck at a dollar store* The pretty colored, pretty smelling candles are specifically made so they have a much hotter melting point than plain white parafin. Which means it takes longer to melt, thus getting hotter and could inflict damage. Parfin with out the bells and whistles of color and scent melt quicker thus temp is lower. Of course don't forget to gauge distance.

Now that we have wax and clamps and clips oh my! it's time to take a fingernail brush *I also get those at the everything's a buck store* and that rough, stiff bristled brush nicely inflicts some pain while I brush away the wax....between wax brushing, I pull a clothespin or clamp. I don't suggest pulling binder clamps....actually open those and remove...they really are pissy suckers....but clothespins...I'll rip away, no problem. once everything is off..."cool down" with more light flicks and slaps and taps.

Just a suggestion,
D~

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/26/2007 1:38:24 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: earthycouple

I am a sadist...Pain for those who are masochists is SOO much fun. Let's focus on one area for the moment. Since CBT is fun lets start there...

Starting slow....gentle patting mild slapping of the balls, a finger flick to the shaft of the penis is a nice start. Then clipping on those clothespins would come next in MY natural progression. You can put them all over the balls, but my favorite thing to do is run a straight line of them starting at the base of the penis and going straight up to the glans. The higher you go the more sensitive. Once you are good with clothes pins...I move on to binder clamps. You know..those black and silver deals in offices? They come in three sizes and you can get them at any office supply store. The bigger clips equal less pain the smallest clips equal tons of pain. *Try it on your nipps first if you really want to know*

The longer the clamp is in place the more time for lack of circulation which means more time the area is "alseep" which means the more pain caused when it comes off and blood flow returns. Of course too long and you kill blood supply...only minutes at a time, dear girl, not hours.

Then once clips and clamps and pins are in place I wiggle em around...OUCH!! and then out comes the wax.

What you need to know about candles...either purchase kinky candles that while still pretty colors have a low melting point or use plain old parafin wax candles *emergency candles....I purchased my last set for a buck at a dollar store* The pretty colored, pretty smelling candles are specifically made so they have a much hotter melting point than plain white parafin. Which means it takes longer to melt, thus getting hotter and could inflict damage. Parfin with out the bells and whistles of color and scent melt quicker thus temp is lower. Of course don't forget to gauge distance.

Now that we have wax and clamps and clips oh my! it's time to take a fingernail brush *I also get those at the everything's a buck store* and that rough, stiff bristled brush nicely inflicts some pain while I brush away the wax....between wax brushing, I pull a clothespin or clamp. I don't suggest pulling binder clamps....actually open those and remove...they really are pissy suckers....but clothespins...I'll rip away, no problem. once everything is off..."cool down" with more light flicks and slaps and taps.

Just a suggestion,
D~

You must be related to a Domme I know, she has done that to me. Those small damn clips all over my balls, when removed they hurt like hell! Must admit the nail brush was not used though, lol.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/26/2007 3:27:34 PM

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I think that really depends upon what you mean by damage. Do you consider marks damage or are we talking a trip to the emergency room is damage? I hope it's somewhere in between. The suggestion above is wonderful by the way. Canes are wonderful for inflicting pain, but they do tend to leave some stripes behind. That's why i'm asking about what you consider damage?

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/26/2007 8:27:07 PM

hoagie

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LOL I see what you mean. I consider damage as something irreversible or dangerous to his health. I am not sure how he feels about bruising. Welts and red marks are fine. He has a pretty scarred pattern on his back from cutting that was done in the past. And I don't want to mess that up.

Thank you to all of you that have answered so far.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/26/2007 10:00:09 PM

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Buy one of those damned evil sticks. Those fuckers HURT! And while they may leave welts or blood blisters (especially if you cross two strikes), they are very unlikely to leave permanent damage. (I dunno about using them on the balls, and I wouldn't use them too hard on the face, but anywhere else is pretty safe.)

Sting tends to "hurt" worse than thud. Sting generally comes from slender items - canes, floggers with skinny falls, evil sticks - while thud comes from more solid items - leather floggers with wide falls, punching, some kinds of paddles. But the material makes a big difference too. Rubber has lots more sting than leather (it is denser and doesn't give as much when you hit someone with it). A wooden paddle that has been lacquered stings a HELL of a lot more than one that is wrapped in leather.

If you hit someone with EXACTLY the same force on exactly the same spot at the beginning of a repeated impact scene as you did at the end, you would be more likely to inflict damage at the beginning. As you repeatedly hit the flesh, the skin changes. It has to do with circulation and the body's response to damage, and I don't know all the technical terms. The non-technical term is "warming someone up" - you use light strokes or a toy that doesn't hurt too much to hit an area repeatedly and bring the blood to the surface, and then you can hit them with a more serious toy without damaging the skin as much.

The theory works with canes, paddles, hand spankings, floggings, and just about any percussion play.

But be aware...the strike on un-warmed up flesh will hurt more, subjectively, than the one to skin that has been warmed up. So sometimes when you try to minimize damage you are actually reducing the amount of pain the bottom is actually feeling.

Just thoughts
~E

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/27/2007 1:33:43 AM

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You really wanna hurt someone without causing any marks, use a sack of oranges, will fuck you up without causing so much of a bruise.

No I am not kidding, and dont ask how I know this.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/27/2007 1:37:33 AM

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So of course I have to ask -

"How do you know about this technique?"

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You really wanna hurt someone without causing any marks, use a sack of oranges, will fuck you up without causing so much of a bruise.

No I am not kidding, and dont ask how I know this.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/27/2007 1:39:09 AM

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ey what I just say?

lets just say it's not exactly BDSM related.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/27/2007 1:49:06 AM

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It is all about the control on impact, using hand or tool/implement.

It is possible to cane, flog, crop, spank a sub without inflicting any marks, as I do.

Varying intensity, and a good warm up always works well. It also depends on subs skin, all individual circumstances, as some flesh is more prone to marking then others.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/27/2007 2:24:15 AM

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quote:

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ey what I just say?

lets just say it's not exactly BDSM related.

True, it's movie related. It's from a scene in 'The Grifters.'

Should we call you 'Bobo' now? ;)

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/27/2007 4:22:15 AM

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Try:

hitting the bottom of their feet with a sturdy peice of wood.

rub crumpled foil on their teeth.

apply pieces ginger to their genitals.

three pound boxing gloves.

ice & salt on the palm of their hand. (be sure the ice is dry & apply pressure)

a battery & copper wire.

sterile safety pins. etc.

Ultimately, use your imagination.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/27/2007 5:00:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rumtiger

ey what I just say?

lets just say it's not exactly BDSM related.

True, it's movie related. It's from a scene in 'The Grifters.'

Should we call you 'Bobo' now? ;)

~stef

never saw it.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/27/2007 5:56:48 AM

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That's understandable, I think you were 5 years old when it came out. It's an excellent, yet troubling, movie.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/29/2007 1:03:08 PM

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*smile* Thank you all, so much for your input. I am going to have a lot of fun trying out your ideas.

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RE: How do I maximize the amount of pain while minimizi... - 4/30/2007 1:05:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rumtiger

You really wanna hurt someone without causing any marks, use a sack of oranges, will fuck you up without causing so much of a bruise.

No I am not kidding, and dont ask how I know this.

was that in the grifters movie?

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