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dicipline2 -> A question... (4/26/2007 12:11:09 PM)
I understand that this is probably a matter of perspective, but I would like to ask something. Does anyone consider a male sub that is hetereosexual but allows a Mistress to perform anal on him to be gay? I know that I do not consider it gay given that gay = homosexual = sex with the same sex. I only ask because I was having a conversation with a femsub who told me that male subs that allow that are gay. But isnt the point of it? to show submission? It can also be very humiliating and painful. She insisted that this was ok for female subs to allow, yet men should never allow this because it was "gay". Well, I told her that gay means sex with men, not kinky sex with a woman, lol. She insisted to a near argument. I think this is just another case of a femsub trying to deter men from being submissives to women. Another "If aint M/f, it just isnt right" type. Why do femsubs do this? Are they this insecure? Are they woried that all the men are turning into submissives, lol? I just dont understand the femsub/Maledom nazi behavior. I guess thats 2 questions in one....[&:]

SunNMoon -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 12:23:53 PM)
It's a silly argument. That having anal sex equals being gay. It has nothing to do with a person’s sexual orientation. Since following that logic, women are then gay males because they have anal sex? (Just trying to show the silliness) See the silliness? I don't think it's a femsub issue at all. A lot of men aren't comfortable with the action for the same reason. I'm thinking it was just this woman whom you were specking with opinion on the whole thing. I don't think it's at all true.

Red82 -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 12:34:00 PM)
I think it is terribly closed minded of her. Is she also one of those fem subs that likes Gor? I have heard this similar argument from fem subs who lived a "Gorean lifestyle". Not all of them, but more than i can count.

thetammyjo -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 12:34:49 PM)
There is also the fact that it assumes that all gay men have anal sex. Some don't, they perfer oral or handjobs. Sexual orientation is about attraction and identity, not sexual acts themselves. The femsub who talked to you, disipline2, was speaking out her own butt about things she knows nothing about. The question is "why" would she say this to you? My guess is that she is uncomfortable with your own scene identity and so attacks to make herself feel better.

onestandingstill -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 12:35:49 PM)
Men who only have sex with men are gay, men who have sex with men and women are bi, and finally men who only have sex with women even in the ass are heterosexual IMO. suzanne

stef -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 12:38:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dicipline2 I understand that this is probably a matter of perspective, but I would like to ask something. Does anyone consider a male sub that is hetereosexual but allows a Mistress to perform anal on him to be gay? I'm sure some people would. I wouldn't. quote: I know that I do not consider it gay given that gay = homosexual = sex with the same sex. Not necessarily. quote: I only ask because I was having a conversation with a femsub who told me that male subs that allow that are gay. I belive that would be referred to as ignorance. It's possible it's more stupidity than ignorance, but I would have to know her better before making that determination. quote: But isnt the point of it? to show submission? It can also be very humiliating and painful. Yes, but it can also be very enjoyable, for both parties. Ask 100 dominant women what their reasons are for wanting to plow their male submissives and you're going to get all kinds of answers. quote: She insisted that this was ok for female subs to allow, yet men should never allow this because it was "gay". Well, I told her that gay means sex with men, not kinky sex with a woman, lol. She insisted to a near argument. I think this is just another case of a femsub trying to deter men from being submissives to women. Another "If aint M/f, it just isnt right" type. Why do femsubs do this? Are they this insecure? Are they woried that all the men are turning into submissives, lol? I just dont understand the femsub/Maledom nazi behavior. She clearly has issues about something. Maybe finding out what they are will illuminate the reasons for her opinion. ~stef

kiyari -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 12:38:31 PM)
Perhaps one might consider it in this way... in one's most delicious fantasy, is the object d'amour of any particular sex or not.

imthatacheyouhav -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 12:48:58 PM)
quote: She insisted that this was ok for female subs to allow, yet men should never allow this because it was "gay". i can't believe she was able to say that and keep a straight face. my answer to your 1st question is...... having a woman use a dildo on you does not mean you are homosexual. The thing about the 2nd question is, some people are rude when expressing their view points.Alot of people feel its wrong for a man to submit to a woman... alot of people feel its not wrong....whats nice is when a dialog can happen because both view points are being expressed in a manner that promotes healty exchange. i'm sorry your conversation with that female sub was so distasteful.

NakedGirlScout -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 1:08:58 PM)
If it were true that having anal sex means you're a gay man, then I am screwed because it means that I'm a gay man, and my master is straight!! No, seriously, gay means having erotic attraction to the same gender as yourself. There's no such thing as "gay activities".

MistressDolly -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 1:28:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dicipline2 Does anyone consider a male sub that is hetereosexual but allows a Mistress to perform anal on him to be gay? I only ask because I was having a conversation with a femsub who told me that male subs that allow that are gay. She insisted that this was ok for female subs to allow, yet men should never allow this because it was "gay". No, I don't consider hetero guys into anal stimuation gay any more than I do than the women who like anal stimulation. Just tell her being gay is a state of mind - - hopefully, she'll get exactly what you mean.

Unrepentant1 -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 1:30:30 PM)
Tell her to loosen up and enjoy herself, who cares if your straight,bi, gay or whatever, as long as your happy! Besides, she might find she likes it and gay sex too! lol

LadyPact -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 1:34:44 PM)
My first thought is, why is this female submissive so adament about labeling others? Why on earth does she care? None of My boys have been gay. If they were gay, what would they be doing with a female Domme in the first place? What they submit to doesn't make them gay. It makes them submissive. If I really had to reach for a term (which I don't like doing) at most, it might be considered situationally bi. Personally, I'm not concerned with the need for others to box people into a label that satisfies their own needs. If someone has the tendancy to enjoy certain activities before they come to Me..... hey..... one less barrier they have. If they don't...... hey.... it's a hard limit of theirs that I will respect.

MariaB -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 1:42:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SunNMoon It's a silly argument. That having anal sex equals being gay. It has nothing to do with a person’s sexual orientation. Since following that logic, women are then gay males because they have anal sex? (Just trying to show the silliness) See the silliness? This really made my day!!! dicipline, tell this girl to get herself onto this forum! It really sounds like school playground stuff. Oh and btw anal should not be painful. Uncomfortable yes but never painful

MistressDolly -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 1:44:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Unrepentant1 Tell her to loosen up and enjoy herself, who cares if your straight,bi, gay or whatever, as long as your happy! Besides, she might find she likes it and gay sex too! lol Exactly.

Unrepentant1 -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 1:45:02 PM)
Yes, but sometimes some pain is good too! lol

LadyDraco2003 -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 1:46:11 PM)
That is showing the truth and sum people just dont want to know the truth. Lady Draco

stacydahling -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 3:35:57 PM)
To me that would be roughly equivalent to calling a woman who enjoys receiving oral sex from a man gay. It's really just a word anyway. I've always taken it to mean someone who has sex with someone of the same sex. Here's a couple of definitions that should clear this right up... Straight from Websters... Main Entry: 1gay [image]http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif[/image] Pronunciation: 'gA Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French gai, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German gAhi quick, sudden 1 a : happily excited : MERRY <in a gay mood> b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits <a bird's gay spring song> 2 a : BRIGHT, LIVELY <gay sunny meadows> b : brilliant in color 3 : given to social pleasures; also : LICENTIOUS 4 a : HOMOSEXUAL <gay men> b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals <the gay rights movement> <a gay bar> ho·mo·sex·u·al [image]http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif[/image] Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l Function: adjective 1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex 2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

DianeB269 -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 3:45:24 PM)
No, you are not gay or bi, if you like F2m strapon and F2m fisting. Diane

SunNMoon -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 3:59:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB This really made my day!!! dicipline, tell this girl to get herself onto this forum! It really sounds like school playground stuff. Oh and btw anal should not be painful. Uncomfortable yes but never painful Yay! [:)]

BeachMystress -> RE: A question... (4/26/2007 4:26:46 PM)
I was born a woman. I have breasts, vagina, ovaries, uterus and all the chemicals and hormones that accompany the female gender. So how exactly would my husband be gay no matter what I did with him as long as I didn't include a third person? deep sigh I find it odd that she is being so judgemental regarding a subject about which she doesn't have firsthand knowledge. It sounds to me like the opinion of someone who hasn't matured enough yet to realize that the world isn't black and white.

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