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MariaB -> A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 5:23:31 AM)

I have, in my time, met a few Masters that have expressed an opinion that there is no such thing as a purist natural dominant woman. I would be interested to have some views on this.



Asraii -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 5:27:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

I have, in my time, met a few Masters that have expressed an opinion that there is no such thing as a purist natural dominant woman. I would be interested to have some views on this.

By purist natural dominant; I assume you are referring to 'being born this way'?



Focus50 -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 5:31:21 AM)

Probably like many Doms and Masters, I'm not attracted to seemingly dominant women in general so whether they're "pure & natural" etc is moot.  I accept there are male and female submissives who are attracted to dominant women so it seems reasonable that they certainly do exist.
 
Focus.



NakedGirlScout -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 5:35:03 AM)

I believe that natural, non-switching dominant women are just rare enough that some people would never have met one and come to the conclusion that they don't exist. The same could be said of natural dominant men, though!



windchymes -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 5:38:51 AM)

He's entitled to his opinion.  We don't have to agree with it.



IrishMist -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 5:46:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

I have, in my time, met a few Masters that have expressed an opinion that there is no such thing as a purist natural dominant woman. I would be interested to have some views on this.

Hmmm, I would have to point out to these Master's that they obviously are not meeting the right women then. [8D]



BBBTBW -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 5:55:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

I have, in my time, met a few Masters that have expressed an opinion that there is no such thing as a purist natural dominant woman. I would be interested to have some views on this.


It is my opinion and experience that any man that makes statements like that are very insecure in their own stations in life thus try to make everyone else seem as if they are less than.



MariaB -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 6:01:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Asraii

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

I have, in my time, met a few Masters that have expressed an opinion that there is no such thing as a purist natural dominant woman. I would be interested to have some views on this.

By purist natural dominant; I assume you are referring to 'being born this way'?


By ‘purist’ I mean that they do not switch, do not have a submissive side.


I will just add that I have had dominants give me that sort of knowing wink. I think to some dominants it’s a challenge. They believe that they can convert! A bit like wanting to convert a lesbian!



desire32 -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 6:09:36 AM)

Oooops. Ignore.... still logged into My girls account!



RavenMuse -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 6:13:08 AM)

OK am going to no doubt piss quite a number of people off here. So don't want My girl getting flack for MY opinion LOL... *Double checks* Yep here as Me this time.

I can't look at a swtich and see them as Dominant in the same way as I regard a "Natural" Dom/me... thats what I get from the loaded lable you used.... JUST Dominant, nothing else, the way they are wired, no compromise.... eg, female equivalent of Myself (Dynamic wise)

OK now we should be clear what I mean by the lable.... gonna piss off a number of Goreans because unless they where figments of My imagination I know a few. Admittedly a VERY few, women who I don't pick up at least a slight, edge of submissive from.... but I have met them, they exist.... doesn't fit in with your world view? Tough!

I do think Men are more inherently predisposed toward Dominance. But all that does is shift the numbers. Meaning that as far as natural Dominants go, there will be significantly more Males than females. It doesn't mean you won't find individuals of either gender being naturaly Dominant.



SirDominic -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 6:21:42 AM)

The simple answer is, of course there are. The human condition is such that there is room for all types of personalities. Always have been. Some of the women who I most admired are the Victorian Lady Travellers. At a time when a woman's place was definitely in the home, there were some who broke beyond that mold and went and did things the big boys were doing. Things like exploring deepest darkest Africa, travelling in Arabian lands with no male escorts, etc. Truly a fascinating group of women.

Now, as then, it takes a powerful independent streak; a willingness to not be brainwashed by "societal norms".

And yes, unfortunately, there are a lot of men who find all of this impossible to believe. To them, you will always be just faking it. Allow them their delusions as you won't ever likely change their mind.

From another point of view, there are purist natural dominant woman who can be very happy being submissive to the right man. My slave has lead a life where she had to be strong and be dominant to survive, or she would have been run over by the men around her (20 years in the Air Force tell you anything?). Yet her submission to me is the most joyous experience of her life. I'd like to take the credit for being Super Master, but the reality is that we simply mesh together so well. She feels comfortable with my dominance, and trusting enough in me to submit completely. So, on the flip side, there are very dominant women who do enjoy being completely submissive.

Namaste, Sir Dominic



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 7:33:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
I have, in my time, met a few Masters that have expressed an opinion that there is no such thing as a purist natural dominant woman. I would be interested to have some views on this.

They are wrong.  And their inability to see beyond their own limited perspective is a weakness for them.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 7:35:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
By ‘purist’ I mean that they do not switch, do not have a submissive side.

Cuz us switches are impure, we're icky and taint the gene pool.



mstrjx -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 7:41:43 AM)

I believe that there are as many 'different' types of orientations as there are, well, people.

A person can be 'born' a certain way, or they can have inclinations that they wish to develop or not, as the case might be.

I think that there are far fewer 100%/0% people out there than espouse themselves to be.  The 'other side' might be repressed, unknown, or untouched.  Guilt might or might not be a factor.

Jeff



MasterGremlin -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 8:10:31 AM)

My mother could make Satan kneel and bow so he or they don't know what they're talking about [:o]

MG



MstrssPassion -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 8:49:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

I have, in my time, met a few Masters that have expressed an opinion that there is no such thing as a purist natural dominant woman. I would be interested to have some views on this.


I bet there are other masters out there that can & have said the same thing about there not being any pure, natural, male dominants as well.

I'm a master but I don't assume anything about other people out there because I believe to be a master one has achieved mastery of self, not the whole wide world. I'm also of the mind that it is those "few" that tend to boast & claim being such enlightened experts of the status of the entire dominant population to be the very ones who struggle with their own closeted feelings of surrendering to another.

{edited to add: I'm definitely not pure [sm=evil.gif] but I'm not a switch, does that make me a freak of nature or a figment of imagination?}



RavenMuse -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 8:54:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion
{edited to add: I'm definitely not pure [sm=evil.gif] but I'm not a switch, does that make me a freak of nature or a figment of imagination?}


Freak! But a cute freak so thats OK [;)][:D]



JSin -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 9:13:58 AM)

I'm actually going to agree with you, I think it is not so much an aspect of orientation but rather a reflection of social programming... This is changing though as women are asserting thier rights and the grrls being raised by these women are understanding that they don't have to be subservient to men.

If you think back to High School for example... If a grrl wanted a date she had to be a "Nice" girl, This usually ment not bitchy demanding and what have you. The aspects that were valued were well behaved demure what have you. As such Dominant Women have overcome this social pressure to some degree but the submissive aspects of that programming still exist.

This is much like the programming most men have to overcome to be compassionate, kind, ect. In younger men these are not valued nor virtuous... to demonstrate them often get's ya labled a pussy, wimp and what have you... Thus no dates.

Behavior is emulated by what is sucessful. Later these behaviors are modified by what makes us feel more comfortable and or pays off for us..

I think the social programming required to be overcome is similar in the Dominant female and the Submissive male at least in Western patriarchical Society, In a Matriarchy those patterns likely would vary.

Then again I don't think anyone is a "Natural Born" anything as far as behavior goes. They are results of a long complex social matrix. <Nature vrs Nurture argument>

JSin





LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 9:21:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JSin
If you think back to High School for example... If a grrl wanted a date she had to be a "Nice" girl, This usually ment not bitchy demanding and what have you. The aspects that were valued were well behaved demure what have you. As such Dominant Women have overcome this social pressure to some degree but the submissive aspects of that programming still exist.

This only applies if you accepted that programming.  Trust me, plenty of women never take that sort of programming to start with so they don't have to overcome it.



MstrssPassion -> RE: A Masters opinion (4/27/2007 9:22:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion
{edited to add: I'm definitely not pure [sm=evil.gif] but I'm not a switch, does that make me a freak of nature or a figment of imagination?}


Freak! But a cute freak so thats OK [;)][:D]



Why thank you... coming from another freak of sorts makes it all that much more complimentary.



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