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Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalship&q... - 4/27/2007 2:15:05 PM   
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"A failure in generalship"By Lt. Col. Paul Yingling "You officers amuse yourselves with God knows what buffooneries and never dream in the least of serious service. This is a source of stupidity which would become most dangerous in case of a serious conflict."
- Frederick the Great

 
"Failures of Generalship in Iraq"

" America's generals have repeated the mistakes of Vietnam in Iraq. First, throughout the 1990s our generals failed to envision the conditions of future combat and prepare their forces accordingly. Second, America's generals failed to estimate correctly both the means and the ways necessary to achieve the aims of policy prior to beginning the war in Iraq. Finally, America's generals did not provide Congress and the public with an accurate assessment of the conflict in Iraq.

Despite paying lip service to "transformation" throughout the 1990s, America's armed forces failed to change in significant ways after the end of the 1991 Persian Gulf War. In "The Sling and the Stone," T.X. Hammes argues that the Defense Department's transformation strategy focuses almost exclusively on high-technology conventional wars. The doctrine, organizations, equipment and training of the U.S. military confirm this observation. The armed forces fought the global war on terrorism for the first five years with a counterinsurgency doctrine last revised in the Reagan administration. Despite engaging in numerous stability operations throughout the 1990s, the armed forces did little to bolster their capabilities for civic reconstruction and security force development. Procurement priorities during the 1990s followed the Cold War model, with significant funding devoted to new fighter aircraft and artillery systems. The most commonly used tactical scenarios in both schools and training centers replicated high-intensity interstate conflict. At the dawn of the 21st century, the U.S. is fighting brutal, adaptive insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq, while our armed forces have spent the preceding decade having done little to prepare for such conflicts.

Having spent a decade preparing to fight the wrong war, America's generals then miscalculated both the means and ways necessary to succeed in Iraq. The most fundamental military miscalculation in Iraq has been the failure to commit sufficient forces to provide security to Iraq's population. U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) estimated in its 1998 war plan that 380,000 troops would be necessary for an invasion of Iraq. Using operations in Bosnia and Kosovo as a model for predicting troop requirements, one Army study estimated a need for 470,000 troops. Alone among America's generals, Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki publicly stated that "several hundred thousand soldiers" would be necessary to stabilize post-Saddam Iraq. Prior to the war, President Bush promised to give field commanders everything necessary for victory. Privately, many senior general officers both active and retired expressed serious misgivings about the insufficiency of forces for Iraq. These leaders would later express their concerns in tell-all books such as "Fiasco" and "Cobra II." However, when the U.S. went to war in Iraq with less than half the strength required to win, these leaders did not make their objections public.

Given the lack of troop strength, not even the most brilliant general could have devised the ways necessary to stabilize post-Saddam Iraq. However, inept planning for postwar Iraq took the crisis caused by a lack of troops and quickly transformed it into a debacle. In 1997, the U.S. Central Command exercise "Desert Crossing" demonstrated that many postwar stabilization tasks would fall to the military. The other branches of the U.S. government lacked sufficient capability to do such work on the scale required in Iraq. Despite these results, CENTCOM accepted the assumption that the State Department would administer postwar Iraq. The military never explained to the president the magnitude of the challenges inherent in stabilizing postwar Iraq.

After failing to visualize the conditions of combat in Iraq, America's generals failed to adapt to the demands of counterinsurgency. Counterinsurgency theory prescribes providing continuous security to the population. However, for most of the war American forces in Iraq have been concentrated on large forward-operating bases, isolated from the Iraqi people and focused on capturing or killing insurgents. Counterinsurgency theory requires strengthening the capability of host-nation institutions to provide security and other essential services to the population. America's generals treated efforts to create transition teams to develop local security forces and provincial reconstruction teams to improve essential services as afterthoughts, never providing the quantity or quality of personnel necessary for success.

After going into Iraq with too few troops and no coherent plan for postwar stabilization, America's general officer corps did not accurately portray the intensity of the insurgency to the American public. The Iraq Study Group concluded that "there is significant underreporting of the violence in Iraq." The ISG noted that "on one day in July 2006 there were 93 attacks or significant acts of violence reported. Yet a careful review of the reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence. Good policy is difficult to make when information is systematically collected in a way that minimizes its discrepancy with policy goals." Population security is the most important measure of effectiveness in counterinsurgency. For more than three years, America's generals continued to insist that the U.S. was making progress in Iraq. However, for Iraqi civilians, each year from 2003 onward was more deadly than the one preceding it. For reasons that are not yet clear, America's general officer corps underestimated the strength of the enemy, overestimated the capabilities of Iraq's government and security forces and failed to provide Congress with an accurate assessment of security conditions in Iraq. Moreover, America's generals have not explained clearly the larger strategic risks of committing so large a portion of the nation's deployable land power to a single theater of operations.

The intellectual and moral failures common to America's general officer corps in Vietnam and Iraq constitute a crisis in American generalship. Any explanation that fixes culpability on individuals is insufficient. No one leader, civilian or military, caused failure in Vietnam or Iraq. Different military and civilian leaders in the two conflicts produced similar results. In both conflicts, the general officer corps designed to advise policymakers, prepare forces and conduct operations failed to perform its intended functions. To understand how the U.S. could face defeat at the hands of a weaker insurgent enemy for the second time in a generation, we must look at the structural influences that produce our general officer corps. "

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/05/2635198


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RE: Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalsh... - 4/27/2007 2:24:49 PM   
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There's no way anyone can "win" an Occupation!
And that's what this is.

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RE: Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalsh... - 4/27/2007 2:41:56 PM   
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Due to the way life is and how this has settled out, politically useful generals are not an extension of the state.   The downside of having a secretary of the army, of navy, of the airforce, a politically appointed joint chief----

well, a defense secretary, and a secretary of war are two different concepts.

political footballing is not war.




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RE: Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalsh... - 4/27/2007 3:03:19 PM   
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The general has a point. Most gadgetry is pretty pointless in an insurgency war and the American procurement seems to be mesmerised by it, it is the quality and training of men on the ground that counts. No one is going to choose to fight the US in a conventional war, it would be madness. Iran said if it was attacked by the US it would target Americans by any means, in any situation, anywhere. My guess that is the thinking of most of the US's enemies. Only a fool fights to its enemy's strengths.

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RE: Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalsh... - 4/27/2007 3:10:08 PM   
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I only read the first sentence and no more. The basic argument put forward MUST be rubbish.

The war was won in double quick time. ie military success, admittedly not that difficult given the disparity in the technical sophistication of each sides weapons systems.
Establishing the peace has proven impossible.
That should be a political problem but given the the murderous hatred that has been unleashed then it has fallen to the military to deal with it. NO ?

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RE: Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalsh... - 4/27/2007 3:19:18 PM   
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Nice try, but the US did not withdraw from Vietnam because they were defeated militarily..

That doesn't mean that the general officer corps hasn't made massive mistakes,  but it does leave the appearance that the author is butressing his argument with revisionist history....raising the question as to why it cannot stand on its own merits.

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RE: Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalsh... - 4/27/2007 3:27:40 PM   
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I don't agree.
 
The problem isn't high technology weapons, poor generals, or poorly trained troops. That's just armchair quarterbacking.
 
The United States military is a tool designed to defend the United States, and to prosecute wars against the sort of nations that are an actual potential threat to the United States. What we have today, is using a tool, outside of the purpose for which it was designed, against an enemy that isn't the sort of enemy the military was designed to fight ... ie, not a real threat to the United States.
 
If you were trying to saw a board, with a hammer, and were not successful, blaming the hammer, or the operator, would make you look foolish.
 
The United States military is a relatively small, highly mobile, and heavily armed force with tremendous support arms. It is designed to effectively fight a war, while huge citizen-soldier armies can be mustered. As such, you want every single man to have as much technology as he can, because these men will have to hold out, while a muster takes place.
 
There is great emphasis on naval and air technology, because this does much to accomplish this goals. Aircraft that are very hard to shoot down, like the F-22, and weapons like aircracft carriers, make a lot of sense, because they are the sorts of weapons that potential enemies currently have no answer for.
 
American soldier of the regular army are impetuous, and have a lot of elan. This is by design, and is exactly the sort of regular army soldiers that we want. When citizen armies are formed, the trained regulars will act as the point of the spear.
 
We do not want armies that are able to fight the kind of battles we see in Iraq. We don't want them, because we don't want to, and should not be, in those sorts of battle.

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RE: Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalsh... - 4/27/2007 3:28:47 PM   
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Go read the whole essay, seeks.

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RE: Armed Forces Journal - "A failure in generalsh... - 4/27/2007 4:18:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I only read the first sentence and no more. The basic argument put forward MUST be rubbish.

The war was won in double quick time. ie military success, admittedly not that difficult given the disparity in the technical sophistication of each sides weapons systems.
Establishing the peace has proven impossible.
That should be a political problem but given the the murderous hatred that has been unleashed then it has fallen to the military to deal with it. NO ?


By God, that is all there is to it.  The war was won, get out---- the military does not fuck for virginity, never has, never will, only a caring god does that, we got written histories that prove it.


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