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MistressDolly -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/1/2007 9:59:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Araven

This is going to sound somewhat strange I suppose, and this is going to be a question posed to my fellow male subs, and the ladies that would know their subs or have helped their subs work through these issues:

On my journey exploring my submission, I've began to struggle with how to express sexual desires and how to remain submissive and not feel so guilty for letting these things desires arouse me. In many ways I'm also sexually inexperianced. In my mind, BDSM and sexuality go hand in hand. BDSM is an arousing thing for me and I'm a bit shy to admit that it turns me on. Even moreso, if I was to play, I think one of my bigger fears is to be vunerable, turned on, and sort of "exposed". Perhaps its my upbringing, but I'm always a little bit embarassed to be turned on from such things. How can one get past the feelings of shame, guilt, and embarassement at such acts? How do you other submissives with a similar problem handle it?

I've been talking with one particular friend of mine about the issue, and she's been very helpful. The best way I've found so far, is to know that through my own shame, and embarassement, that is it actually pleasing for my dominant to know that they are turning me on. For me.. submission was always about pleasing the other person. But recently it seems as if some get their pleasure from watching the twisted expressions of tortured pleasure on their subs? This was a total mind-job for me, a difficult concept to grasp.

So my question to you all: How do you other male subs incorperate your own sexuality and wants on the submissive level to your mistress? Do you push it aside? Try to hide it? And to the Mistresses: Do you get pleasure from knowing you are turning on your submissive? That he is aroused by the very acts you do? Or does his pleasure not matter so much as long as you are pleased?




Because they happen to love and adore me, my pleasure engenders their happiness.

I like and prefer to see them happy but their happiness is always secondary to mine.




LotusSong -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/1/2007 10:02:24 AM)

It goes like this:  "Mistress, I wish to discsuss something with you".  Then discuss the issue.




MystressDream -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/1/2007 12:31:19 PM)

These topics are always so interesting to read.  By the time I see them, however, responses have been written that already say exactly what I would have said.  <laugh>  So... rather than take up room with at "ditto" post, I will at least add my voice to those who say that seeing my sub sexually aroused is wonderful!  Whether I will use him sexually or not, is irrelevant.  If being in my presence and in my service is not stimulating to him.... and if he doesn't find my attention arousing... then something very important is missing.

Nobody can tell the OP not be be embarrassed... but, his friend is so right when she told him to try to focus on how much it will please the woman he is with to see that she arouses him.

Mmmm... IMO... yummy!




MystressDream -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/1/2007 12:33:22 PM)

Damn... I just may send out a ton of "ditto" posts just to get that damn vanilla ice cream cone to disappear under my screen name!!!   LOL




mnottertail -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/1/2007 12:38:18 PM)

LOL, sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...Moderators catch you doing that you get to be vanilla forever.

Don't ask, don't tell.

My word, you got a look, to bad you are on the wrong side of the kneel.

Ron 




MystressDream -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/1/2007 12:46:42 PM)

Oopsssssss.... Ok... Thanks for the "heads up".  I was just kidding, however.  <smile>

And thank you for the compliment.... but, you are correct... I don't kneel.  <sweet smile>




lateralist1 -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/2/2007 7:44:16 AM)

I agree with almost everything that has been said.
And what I don't agree with is trifling.
However I would add a personal warning.
Getting to the point where I can allow a sumissive male the intimacy of thought, word or deed takes time.
I need a strong vanilla relationship first.
I am very honest on the boards and on my profile that I seek a sexual relationship.
No being would cause a lot of poor communication as some subs are not looking for a partnership type relationship but purely a BDSM relationship.
However once a committed relationship is established then the more aware I am of everything about a sub the better. One can not dominate someone to the satisfaction of both parties without knowledge of them.




JoyfulMistress -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/7/2007 11:23:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

It goes like this:  "Mistress, I wish to discsuss something with you".  Then discuss the issue.

Bravo LotusSong!!! It is important for submissives to be open and honest with their Proper One,sadly We are not mind readers (though I would LOVE to be one .. it would make somethings in life SO much easier)
By the way .. love the pug pic
Joy




JoyfulMistress -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/7/2007 11:45:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Araven

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I've been talking with one particular friend of mine about the issue, and she's been very helpful. The best way I've found so far, is to know that through my own shame, and embarassement, that is it actually pleasing for my dominant to know that they are turning me on. For me.. submission was always about pleasing the other person. But recently it seems as if some get their pleasure from watching the twisted expressions of tortured pleasure on their subs? This was a total mind-job for me, a difficult concept to grasp.

So my question to you all: How do you other male subs incorperate your own sexuality and wants on the submissive level to your mistress? Do you push it aside? Try to hide it? And to the Mistresses: Do you get pleasure from knowing you are turning on your submissive? That he is aroused by the very acts you do? Or does his pleasure not matter so much as long as you are pleased?




What an interesting question Araven,
As a Mistress I have to say ... yes I get pleasure knowing that Mine is turned on and it isn't just in BDSM realm .. even in the nilla realm I would like to know that I arouse him as he arouses Me.You asked the male subs a few questions that I wish to address as well...You asked how they deal with their sexuality and if the push it aside or try to hide it ... I would have to say with Mine I would be heartbroken if he didn't share or attempted to hide his arousal as in a strange non verbal way it would be as if the arousal and all that caused it should remain a dirty lil secret. Now don't get Me wrong ... I am not advocating that everyone stand atop a mountain and scream out all their kinks and fetishes as well as their sexual desires to the entire world unless that is something they wish to do, I more than understand for some that this lifestyle or their part in it needs to be closeted (or in this case dungeoned,is that even a word ~Laughs~)There is a huge difference between a secret part of one's life for whatever reasons and a dirty lil secret that one is more than ashamed of and would honestly die if ever found out ... what was that term I heard someone use about an unattractive one.. oh yeah * a brown bag special* that would fall under the dirty lil secret area in My eyes as would one who is so shamed by their arousal from their Proper One and all that She is doing to him. A submissive's body is a work of art that is forever changing ,growing, moving,even changing colors depending on what his Mistress is doing to him ~smiles~ So why wouldn't his mind and arousal fall under that same category ? I would personally dare you to step up and share with your Proper One what She does that turns you on to no end, bath her in the knowledge of what makes you tick in this area. Heavens step out of your shy box long enough to fill her in on what you would like to do sexually with Her ....I am willing to bet She will take that knowledge and make you one happy sub in the future.It is such a grand gift when a Mistress knows what makes *Her's* tick and what turns them on as well as turns them off ..... and no I have yet to find one who thinks * Margaret thatcher naked on a cold day* is a turn off they usually giggle their rumps off .....go figure.
So here is a question for you araven, a bit of time has past since you posted your original question .. have you figured out what you are doing in your own personal journey in this lifestyle and have you integrated your sexual being with the part of you that is such a natural submissive? Have you decided to hide or push aside your sexual thoughts or urges?
 
Hope you and everyone else has a wonderful rest of the week and a weekend filled with many reasons to smile and dare I say moan
~SmileS~Joy




FullfigRIMaam -> RE: Integration of Desires (11/7/2007 11:47:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Araven
On my journey exploring my submission, I've began to struggle with how to express sexual desires and how to remain submissive and not feel so guilty for letting these things desires arouse me. In many ways I'm also sexually inexperianced. In my mind, BDSM and sexuality go hand in hand. BDSM is an arousing thing for me and I'm a bit shy to admit that it turns me on. Even moreso, if I was to play, I think one of my bigger fears is to be vunerable, turned on, and sort of "exposed". Perhaps its my upbringing, but I'm always a little bit embarassed to be turned on from such things. How can one get past the feelings of shame, guilt, and embarassement at such acts? How do you other submissives with a similar problem handle it?
I'm not a submissive, but my question is "do these feelings bother you or turn you on?"   I love having a man who is sexually responsive (even overly so) to the things I do to him;  I generally like to find out what works for him by experimenting, or by asking him so I can use it as I wish.   I don't see a single thing wrong with being turned on, or feeling like it's a little humiliating/embarrassing to be turned on around your Ms, unless you consider that a bad thing, in which case, talk to a shrink about it.




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