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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 5:11:49 PM

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I also have a sub who drinks My pee, but I agree with the previous poster about having to "kiss that mouth". I will(and have), however, provide(d) scat to servants more distant from Me, who get great pleasure out of the experience.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 5:17:40 PM

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Just found this to add. BTW, I tried My piss, too. It was delightful!
http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/19/urine.html

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 5:20:58 PM

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what are your thoughts on toiletslavery

I think that any toilet manufacturer (or contractor/installer) that requires servitude for having a toilet installed is a low life motherfucker.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 5:30:33 PM

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Not my thing, but I must say this thread has been extremely educational.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 5:31:23 PM

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uummmm...this thread is crossing the insane line.

And coming from me, that's saying a lot :)

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 6:21:24 PM

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i noticed that many referred to toilet service as a form of play, and i suppose for some that is the case, but my Master trained me in toilet service for well...service (duh...lol). it's not about eroticism or kink, it's about being a useful portable toilet when he needs/wants that. tho he definitely gets a perverse pleasure out of having me perform this sort of service. i know of female slaves who are fully toilet trained by their Masters...meaning they can take no. 1 and no. 2 orally, in full, on the spot. Daddy hasn't expressed an interest in taking things that far as of yet, so right now i'm grateful to just serve as his urinal and bidet/toilet paper.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 6:28:00 PM

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Depends on if the toileter and the toiletee are both happy, my slut drinks my pee but thats as far as we go.

Wouldn't that be "the toiletter" and "the toilet" ?

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 6:31:52 PM

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Is this going to be yanked now for mentioning incest? Would that be considered incest?

Was incest on the taboo-list for this board? I can't recall. Never interested me much anyway. I don't think the poster intended to imply anything underage or whatnot, so probably no harm no foul. Besides, maybe the "brother" bit is meant in the sense of "brother slave", rather than biological brother? Though it's unclear where the "step" would enter into it.

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I personally don't like it because of the possible risks for illness.

Have there been any good studies on the risks yet? Last thing I heard, all was pretty good with a stable partner, provided you get enough fluids to eliminate the wastes you're bringing into your body.

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Although, I would love to have a dominant pee on me ... Just once ... To see if I liked it.

Shouldn't be too hard to find one, depending on where you live.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 6:34:51 PM

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Since the advent of indoor plumbing the need for such a thing has seriously declined.

Bah. There are still several yards/feet/meters/attoparsecs/what-have-you's to where the plumbing is at. Why not have someone transport it the remaining distance and save yourself the calories? You can even have fringe benefits, like getting head tacked on.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 6:37:12 PM

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i serve as my Master's toilet when he gets that urge, tho in a limited fashion (no. 1 and clean-up for no.2). whether or not he'll take it all the way in the future remains to be seen.

Just curious, have you tried no. 1 for an extended period of time?

I doubt no. 2 would be very practical for anyone, just like no. 1 isn't very practical for femdoms, although a good tongueing can probably be quite pleasant for both.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/7/2007 6:59:42 PM

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Just curious, have you tried no. 1 for an extended period of time?

I doubt no. 2 would be very practical for anyone, just like no. 1 isn't very practical for femdoms, although a good tongueing can probably be quite pleasant for both.

well regarding the slaves i know who are trained in no. 2, basically quite a mess is made all over the slave, since it's just too difficult/unpredictable to be completely swallowed in the moment. however i do know of one notable exception to this, the very first slave i ever met in the lifestyle who to this day i admire as the epitome of what a slave can be. she could regularly ingest both no. 1 and no. 2 with no hesitation or awkwardness at all, but she had been trained for many years.

when you ask if i've tried no. 1 for an extended period of time, are you referring to training time or actual service time? the answer to the first was about 7 months, once training was fully underway. the answer to the second varies...for a couple of years after training in no. 1 was completed i served as his urinal 100% of the time whenever in his presence, even in public. now it might be a few times a week. clean up after no. 2 is still a daily practice however.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 5:31:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Goddess007

I also have a sub who drinks My pee, but I agree with the previous poster about having to "kiss that mouth".

Concerns about kissing afterwards has been one of my reasons for not considering any toilet service beyond urine. Also, the other kind really isn't very practical, and for me a significant part of the appeal has been the humiliation and variant objectification involved in using another human as a toilet for practical reasons.

I can, and do, take pleasure in "wet" activities in general, but for me there is also an additional appeal in using the sub/slave as a toilet, rather than as play.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 5:47:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: Goddess007

Just found this to add. BTW, I tried My piss, too. It was delightful!
http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/19/urine.html

Highly entertaining link. Thank you very much.

That said, it's interesting that the health officials indicated that there probably wasn't any associated risk. I've also seen other health officials make statements to the effect that, in the absence of certain rare medical conditions, urine doesn't pose a risk of transmittable diseases. HIV was mentioned as an example; apparently, the amounts of HIV virus that are normally present in the urine of an HIV positive person are not sufficient to cause infection in the absence of said medical conditions.

As for finding your own urine delightful, I'd have to add that there is a distinct difference between the urine of a woman and the urine of a man, plus of course the differences that arise from diet and hydration level.

I've only got personal experience with one female's urine to go from, apart from feedback from others, but that was rather pleasant tasting. I've never found my own pleasant, though, regardless of how much fluids I drink up front, although I haven't tried sweetening it by drinking pineapple juice.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 5:58:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

i noticed that many referred to toilet service as a form of play, and i suppose for some that is the case, but my Master trained me in toilet service for well...service (duh...lol). it's not about eroticism or kink, it's about being a useful portable toilet when he needs/wants that. tho he definitely gets a perverse pleasure out of having me perform this sort of service.

This puts my own views on the matter rather succinctly.

There's definitely a kind of pleasure in having the slave serve in this manner, but it's not play per se; the slave actually is (serving as) a toilet, and will be used for that purpose when it's practical, i.e. because I need to go, not because I'm aroused.

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i know of female slaves who are fully toilet trained by their Masters...meaning they can take no. 1 and no. 2 orally, in full, on the spot.

Out of curiosity, have any of these got any tips with regards to how to consciously open the esophagus so that the Master may empty his bladder or colon without holding back, or do they just swallow fast enough to avoid spilling?

Personally, I can't see how no. 2 service could be practical, but mostly because I can't imagine any position in which it would be comfortable to defecate as well as the position allowing the slave to receive, at least not without potentially suffocating them or dislocating their jaw. Maybe I'm just too used to having something supporting my hindquarters.

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Daddy hasn't expressed an interest in taking things that far as of yet, so right now i'm grateful to just serve as his urinal and bidet/toilet paper.

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about how you would feel about it if he chose to take this further, and how you would cope or how he would go about training you for this purpose.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 6:00:50 AM

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what are your thoughts on toiletslavery

This is not something that I would require my girl to partake in; I personally see no use in forcing her to do so.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 6:08:35 AM

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well regarding the slaves i know who are trained in no. 2, basically quite a mess is made all over the slave, since it's just too difficult/unpredictable to be completely swallowed in the moment.

That's pretty much what I assumed would be the case. For me, that wouldn't be very appealing, and wouldn't seem very practical, so I haven't given it much consideration.

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however i do know of one notable exception to this, the very first slave i ever met in the lifestyle who to this day i admire as the epitome of what a slave can be. she could regularly ingest both no. 1 and no. 2 with no hesitation or awkwardness at all, but she had been trained for many years.

Sounds like a very special person. As I noted in another post, it would be very interesting to me (and probably to others in this thread) to know how she manages to do this. For no. 1 one can get away with just swallowing repeatedly, but no. 2 seems like it would be very hard to do without consciously opening the esophagus.

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when you ask if i've tried no. 1 for an extended period of time, are you referring to training time or actual service time?

Either, really. Thank you for your answer. Your Master is a fortunate man.

You mention serving as his urinal 100% of the time when in his presence for a couple of years. Did either of you experience any ill effects from this?

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clean up after no. 2 is still a daily practice however.

Daily in the sense of every time, or in the sense of at least once a day? I'm curious as some people have indicated that this would be likely to cause various ill effects, and if the former is the case, one would expect a proportional increase in ill effects. Hence, it would be interesting to know whether you experienced any?

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 6:23:11 AM

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Just an idea that my former Mistress used. She would lay me in the tub, feet up, and aim my pee to my mouth. (seemed she got off from saying "open wide") This is great for those just getting use to the idea and if anyone has concerns about disease from it, it's only going right back where it came from. :)

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 8:46:16 AM

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Seems potentially fun, cuckfla, although it fits more with wetsex/watersports than with toilet slavery.

I'd also point out that women can learn to pee while standing up. Some feminists make a big deal about it, too. Actually, for women, it's more hygienic to pee while standing up, and they can apparently learn to aim pretty well, too. Men, on the other hand, can benefit from sitting down, unless they've got a friendly toilet slave firmly wrapped around them.

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 8:46:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Out of curiosity, have any of these got any tips with regards to how to consciously open the esophagus so that the Master may empty his bladder or colon without holding back, or do they just swallow fast enough to avoid spilling?

none have given any tips to me, but that could be because i've never asked. regarding no. 1, my Master empties his bladder at a natural pace directly into my mouth or throat, i just swallow it as it comes. for some reason this was the most difficult part of training for me...in the beginning i had a weird tendency to let a mouthful of urine acumulate, hold it, then swallow in huge uncomfortable gulps. it made no sense at all, but that was my instinct for some reason. but once i learned to swallow constantly, it became very easy. He has also trained me to swallow his piss with my mouth wide open, so that from time to time he can have the pleasure of actually watching me swallow. that took another few months of training.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Personally, I can't see how no. 2 service could be practical, but mostly because I can't imagine any position in which it would be comfortable to defecate as well as the position allowing the slave to receive, at least not without potentially suffocating them or dislocating their jaw. Maybe I'm just too used to having something supporting my hindquarters.

well yes you do have to become accustomed to the lack of butt suport, lol.

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Daddy hasn't expressed an interest in taking things that far as of yet, so right now i'm grateful to just serve as his urinal and bidet/toilet paper.

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about how you would feel about it if he chose to take this further, and how you would cope or how he would go about training you for this purpose.

well the thought used to horrify and repulse me, but since getting to know others who have been trained in that manner, and also since being partially toilet trained myself, it doesn't seem quite so bad to me. i can't imagine ever relishing it, but i do not think it would be difficult from an emotional or psychological standpoint. i suppose if he developed an interest in no. 2 training he would talk with other Masters who have trained their slaves in that area and go from there. a lifestyle acquaintance of ours has a fully toilet trained slave, and one of the things they used to train in no. 2 was a "throne of humiliation" i believe it's called. it's basically a specially made toilet where the Master can still comfortably have a seat, and the slave can fit beneath, with her head and neck in the "commode." Daddy found some photographs online of this "throne," and seemed really fascinated by it for a time, but i think that the gross factor would be too high for him. as you and other Dominants have mentioned, he likes kissing his slave's mouth as well. ;)

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RE: toilet slavery - 5/8/2007 8:54:15 AM

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Sounds like a very special person. As I noted in another post, it would be very interesting to me (and probably to others in this thread) to know how she manages to do this. For no. 1 one can get away with just swallowing repeatedly, but no. 2 seems like it would be very hard to do without consciously opening the esophagus.

tho i was able to watch her do it once, i was not close enough to be able to tell exactly how she did it. her mouth remained open the entire time, although she was visibly chewing and swallowing, and her Master hovered over her mouth at a distance of about 6 inches.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

You mention serving as his urinal 100% of the time when in his presence for a couple of years. Did either of you experience any ill effects from this?

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clean up after no. 2 is still a daily practice however.

Daily in the sense of every time, or in the sense of at least once a day? I'm curious as some people have indicated that this would be likely to cause various ill effects, and if the former is the case, one would expect a proportional increase in ill effects. Hence, it would be interesting to know whether you experienced any?

have never experienced any ill effects from swallowing his urine or from cleaning him after no. 2. there have been a few times i've swallowed sizeable bits of fecal matter and even then never experienced any problems. it doesn't even taste as bad as one would think, just very bitter. and "daily" meaning everytime he goes, which is usually once a day. the exception would be the rare times when he's very ill with the stomach flu or something of that nature.

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