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haysup -> RE: toilet slavery (5/8/2007 9:04:59 AM)

I intellectually understand why some people would like or prefer toilet training. I could not nor would I ever do anything involving ingestion. YMMV. 



Aswad -> RE: toilet slavery (5/8/2007 1:43:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

for some reason this was the most difficult part of training for me...in the beginning i had a weird tendency to let a mouthful of urine acumulate, hold it, then swallow in huge uncomfortable gulps. it made no sense at all, but that was my instinct for some reason.


This was my natural inclination as well, when trying it myself (I generally try to have an idea of what I'm asking others to do).

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but once i learned to swallow constantly, it became very easy.


Hmm... why didn't I think of that? [sm=banghead.gif]

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He has also trained me to swallow his piss with my mouth wide open, so that from time to time he can have the pleasure of actually watching me swallow. that took another few months of training.


Impressive. [sm=applause.gif]

I can certainly "see" the attraction [sm=lol.gif]

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well yes you do have to become accustomed to the lack of butt suport, lol.


Exactly. Hence it doesn't strike me as very practical, which makes it less appealing to me.

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well the thought used to horrify and repulse me, but since getting to know others who have been trained in that manner, and also since being partially toilet trained myself, it doesn't seem quite so bad to me.


That's been part of my approach to such things as well: keep the steps small, so no single step seems too big. Kind of like that bit about frogs on a hotplate. Of course, what constitutes "too big" will vary from person to person.

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i can't imagine ever relishing it, but i do not think it would be difficult from an emotional or psychological standpoint.


I don't think there are many people out there who relish it; even "famous" people like Veronica Moser had to spend lots of time getting used to it. But, as you've pointed out yourself, relishing it doesn't necessarily play a part in the decision.

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a lifestyle acquaintance of ours has a fully toilet trained slave, and one of the things they used to train in no. 2 was a "throne of humiliation" i believe it's called. it's basically a specially made toilet where the Master can still comfortably have a seat, and the slave can fit beneath, with her head and neck in the "commode." Daddy found some photographs online of this "throne," and seemed really fascinated by it for a time,


Yeah, I've seen a few of these. The idea is certainly rather appealing, as such, and I'd definitely consider it if I were taking on another slave (I'm romantically monogamous, so the kissing wouldn't be an issue). [sm=evil.gif]

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but i think that the gross factor would be too high for him. as you and other Dominants have mentioned, he likes kissing his slave's mouth as well. ;)


Yes, me and neph started out vanilla, so there's a lot of romantic attachment there as well, and kissing someone who's done no. 2 service doesn't hold a lot of appeal. [:'(]



Aswad -> RE: toilet slavery (5/8/2007 3:15:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

tho i was able to watch her do it once, i was not close enough to be able to tell exactly how she did it. her mouth remained open the entire time, although she was visibly chewing and swallowing, and her Master hovered over her mouth at a distance of about 6 inches.


Oh, well. If you get a chance to ask sometime, I'd appreciate it, though. [:)]

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have never experienced any ill effects from swallowing his urine or from cleaning him after no. 2. there have been a few times i've swallowed sizeable bits of fecal matter and even then never experienced any problems.


Kind of interesting.

I've heard much the same from some of the crowds that practice scat play as a kink, but I've always been somewhat skeptical of whether various groups represent the safety of what they do correctly.

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it doesn't even taste as bad as one would think, just very bitter.


I think most people probably respond more to the psychological impact and/or the smell than to anything else.

That said, both taste and smell depend on diet. Apparently, the Japanese diet causes it to actually taste good, according to one study. (The mind boggles somewhat at the idea that there's been a study into variations in the taste of fecal matter based on diet; not the bit about anyone wanting to study it, but the bit about them getting to.)

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and "daily" meaning everytime he goes, which is usually once a day. the exception would be the rare times when he's very ill with the stomach flu or something of that nature.


Yeah, if I was sick with something, I wouldn't want to pass it on either. And I'm thinking it could also get pretty messy real quick, which would not appeal to me at all.



slaveish -> RE: toilet slavery (5/8/2007 3:32:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear trampledslave1, Ladies and Gentlemen;
I have in my mind's eyes a very different view of what toilet slaves are.  Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs


LadyHugs, you are indeed a lady. Quite above-board and lovely as always.



toiletslave7 -> RE: toilet slavery (6/25/2007 9:15:56 AM)

Dearest 007, You are truly a breath of fresh air for a toilet like me [:D]



LongTerm24C -> RE: toilet slavery (6/25/2007 9:24:55 AM)

Being a nurse for many years, urine and scat can be very unhealthy.
Though urine is sterile; but only if the giver is not carrying any viruses or bacteria in their system. Scat is just totally ridden with all kinds of bacteria.
I have personally seen people come into the hospital that have eaten scat. I have seen some of them die from it. It's awlful risky, just to satisfy a kink.



dogobedience -> RE: toilet slavery (6/25/2007 10:22:06 AM)

But (butt) what did all the slaves do then?



submaleslave724 -> RE: toilet slavery (6/26/2007 2:41:30 PM)

i love drinking Master's piss, it is one of my favorite ways of serving.
i have heard of people getting urea poisoning from drinking too much.
i wonder how much a person can reasonably drink?
i feel really disappointed when i can't drink all of his piss,
but i am trying to learn to drink more.
any suggestions?
submale724



Griswold -> RE: toilet slavery (6/26/2007 5:13:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Roksana

my stepbrother also drinks my pee, almost all of his drinks are mixed with my pee


(Now, I gotta tell you...with every mixed message that potentially sent...that was fucking way over the top hot).



Aswad -> RE: toilet slavery (6/27/2007 5:39:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LongTerm24C

Being a nurse for many years, urine and scat can be very unhealthy.


Might want to add some cites, as various sources say different things on this topic.

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Though urine is sterile; but only if the giver is not carrying any viruses or bacteria in their system.


Not all virii and bacteria carry over in urine, though some do.
Saliva is generally far less sterile, though the quantities exchanged are different.

In most cases, the added kidney load is a bigger problem.

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Scat is just totally ridden with all kinds of bacteria.


Not only ridden with it. It's mostly composed of bacteria. About two thirds (by mass) are dead bacteria. The rest is a mix of live bacteria and semidigested food.

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I have personally seen people come into the hospital that have eaten scat. I have seen some of them die from it. It's awlful risky, just to satisfy a kink.


Funny, I've yet to even hear of anyone dying from it.
And the med-students usually just love trying to gross people out with this kind of thing.
Mind commenting on what killed them?

Untreatable septic shock sounds like a compromised immune system or waiting too long.
Food allergies are viable explanations, of course, and could well be fatal.
Medicines that are excreted in fecal matter can also be a problem.
Apart from that, I'm having a problem seeing it.

As for risk, without any numbers, it's impossible to accurately gauge the risk.
There are people saying it's likely to be fatal, which is patently false.
Others say it's never a problem, which is also quite patently false.
The truth is somewhere in the middle, but where?
There's been little research on this, AFAIK.

For everyone who claims it's a major risk, there's someone else saying they've eaten every turd they've come across for the past twenty years with no more than an occasional stomach flu to show for it. And, of course, people like Moser, who must have been in this for three decades or so by now.

Which is why evidence based medicine generally rejects anecdotes as a valid source of information.

I think the ethics committee would have stepped in over the risk in the university study that covered diet-based differences in the taste of fecal matter if they considered there to be a significant risk associated with it. Which is not to say that it is safe, just that this is an unresolved question.

In short, it could bear doing more research, and those who want to try it should "start low and go slow", as well as having their doctor monitoring their health, but there does not seem to be much to support an assertion that the risk is intolerable. Certainly nowhere near things like breath control, which is a lot more popular.

That said, I lost my interest in scat play many years ago. I suspect it was just a taboo thing.



Griswold -> RE: toilet slavery (6/27/2007 6:06:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: trampledslave1

what are your thoughts on toiletslavery


I've never found a toilet that has turned out to be a decent slave...although I've never personally checked Lowes.



masterdstar -> RE: toilet slavery (6/28/2007 2:26:33 PM)

Well I must say I have not heard that before, meaning that particular view of a Tslv.
Hmm

I would think that was more of a maid or simple body service slave...interesting.

Enjoy your wonder-filled day



goodgirl85 -> RE: toilet slavery (6/28/2007 4:50:22 PM)

Hmmm... I used to be neutral on the idea of someone peeing on me. Therefore I let my ex Dom pee on my breasts. It wasn't something done regularly, but it was done. After I got used to it, I started to like it. I sent him a message prior to a meeting, telling him I wanted him to pee on my face. Never did I think that I would open my mouth so willingly, and without even the slightly hesistation as he let the last drops go in my mouth. To be honest, I was kind of shocked... maybe it was because he had cum so soon before that, but it tasted like his cum. This was the one and only time I have tasted pee. Would I be interested in be trained a little further... sure. And although my Dom has joked about it a few times I am not quite sure if he is into it... I will have to remember to ask him that.

But I don't do scat. And I wouldn't consider myself a toilet slave at any point in or after abovementioned training. I also have fantasies about peeing on a guy while having sex, or having him finger me, while I pee.

Just my thoughts and ideas.

girl



scooby557 -> RE: toilet slavery (6/29/2007 10:25:26 PM)

i had one experience eating Her brown i liked it! i puked the first day, but dramamine and mindset are key to success. after my sixth day ( i was confined in motel for six days)  i was never happier in my life hearing the key in the door, and Her Need to go, and use me brought the most excitement i ever experienced in 38 years.... wish i could get back to canada, but logistics are to hard:(  i begged Dommes here at collarme, but wow i just get the silent treatment.  i wont disturb a Domme again after my first request i respect them and what they think of me....:)  daved



pervey69 -> RE: toilet slavery (10/11/2008 11:28:56 AM)

I have had limiited experience in this form of service.  However, from this experience, I find that nothing  compares with lying under a "special toilet seat" and watching a mistress or master sit over you and the feeling of your mouth adjusting to their anus.  Many may find this disgusting....however I feel it shows total service and submission to your mistress or master.   I have never been ill from this and continue to look for a mistress or master to collar me and make this part of my duties. 



WestBaySlave -> RE: toilet slavery (10/11/2008 12:05:32 PM)

   Done it frequently on the piss side of things. Unabashedly love it - hits that whole mess of use-degradation-intimacy buttons in just the right way.

  Haven't done scat. There are health risks, it's true, but the activity itself isn't a big gross out.

  It's kind of odd what hits the gross out buttons and what doesn't. Shit is only a little gross - having rimmed a dirty guy, I know it tastes kind of like unsweetened peanut butter - and piss not at all, but I'm actually somewhat grossed out by semen. It's okay if it's fresh out of the tap, but if it's cooled at all it takes all my self control not to lose my lunch ingesting it.



MrHarsh -> RE: toilet slavery (10/12/2008 6:07:32 AM)

Toilet functions are very private.  So sharing them with somebody is a kind of intimacy.  Most of us feel uncomfortable when other people are in the same room with us when we use a toilet.  Just allowing someone into that space makes them special. (In the sense that LadyHugs describes). Being used (or using someone) as a toilet adds a layer of kink to an intimate sharing event.

I believe that toilet play isn't really sexual, but is a serious act of submission that shows extreme devotion.  It is very degrading and humiliating for the sub, but gives a satisfying power rush for the dom.  If a sub will drink your piss, she will do anything.  It's not something I make a sub do lightly. 

I use it as only a test of devotion, or if she asks me for it.  I like to test my subs by pushing them outside their comfort zones just to make sure she would "do anything for me."  (Yes, it's all about me.)  A test like drinking my urine, or allowing me to pee directly into her mouth would come in a serious relationship where I wanted my sub to show her complete and total obedience and devotion.  I would not insist upon it regularly, but as an occasional "proof" of her loyalty.  I would not do it as part of "casual play", either.

Unless, like I said, it was something she really enjoyed.  A sub could certainly ask for it as frequently as she wanted.

I'm only speaking about urine in this case ... scat is just too much for me.  I can understand how some people might be interested in that, though.





aperversetwist -> RE: toilet slavery (10/12/2008 4:43:17 PM)

I've always been curious about where people draw the line.  For example one person may say no scat play, but they are quite eager to suck on something that has just been up their ass, without even having had an enema.  Also it seems fairly common for someone to be willing to play with piss, even enemas, but mention shit and they say no.  I'd be interested to hear people's reasons for doing one and not the other.

I have found that having a bottom who could, without mess, serve as a urinal is a great thing on long drives.

My own research on general toilet play safety is this; Piss, your piss is pretty much sterile, you're unlikely to catch any illness from drinking another's piss, and certainly not from your own.  Of course as with all things, moderation is the key.  Piss is waste material your body doesn't need, adding it back in makes your kidneys work that much harder to filter it out again.  So when when feeding a cather into your bottom's urethra and feeding the other end of the tube back down their throat via their nostril to form a nice closed loop, don't leave them that way for more than a day and be sure they get lots of water.

Shit on the other hand is full of bacteria, your own shit is something you've already had in you so you can't catch Hepatitis A or E. Coli from your own shit.  You can't catch something from your shit that you don't already have.  However you can catch Hep A and E. Coli from someone elses shit.  So ingesting your own is safer than ingesting another persons.  You can still get ill from eating your own shit, like eating some bad food and you get a 24 hour stomach bug etc...  You will build up a tolerance to this though.  In addition if your partner is disease free, you can build a tolerance for their shit, however they may have something and not know it.



christine100 -> RE: toilet slavery (12/6/2009 5:08:51 AM)

i'm very curious about toilet duties, i want to explore that side in me



picardtim -> RE: toilet slavery (12/6/2009 12:14:28 PM)

i am ok with someone peeing on me and drinking it, but it is just too risky for scat.



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