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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/22/2007 4:53:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarius
I simply find myself struggling to submit to anyone else, even in the workplace, though it may be required there. I do not appreciate taking orders from other people, nor being told how to handle things, when I am confident that I can handle them in my own way.


I don't either, but like other sane and mature adults, I conduct myself in a professional manner while on the job, do what needs to be done, and defer to people who have more knowledge - especially safety knowledge - in the appropriate situations.  Anything less would be unprofessional as well as irresponsible.

I work in a fairly dangerous profession, and there is simply no room on the job for human ego.  Either you jump when you're told to jump by the person responsible for running safety protocols, or you put your life and everyone else's life at risk.  I've run into people who were incapable of what I refer to as "situational submission", and they're a menace to themselves and everyone else because they won't listen on the job site and they think they know better than the experienced people who are telling them how not to get killed.  It's not an admirable thing.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/22/2007 7:16:23 PM   
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Hmm.. for some reason, everyone seems to of entirely bypassed the point I was making, and seems to think that I'm expecting admiration, or praise, from anyone here. To those trying to bash how I handle myself day-to-day, well, good luck with that. I'm simply going to re-direct you to my last paragraph of my post.

Also, if anyone paid proper attention, I stated I do defer to more experienced people, so I don't know where half of this is comming from.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/22/2007 8:37:10 PM   
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Not everyone is against you Icarius. As I've read and learned more and more about the lifestyle (I haven't been doing this that long) I found the older people get really mad at you and condesending if you don't say things the way they want you to. Big surprise most Doms are opinionated, and don't have a problem stating them.  On the natural dom question I took it to mean someone born that way, and indicated traits I felt a child Dom would have. They are alot like what you've mentioned dealing with, and I also dealt with them myself. I still have trouble dealing with them, I still don't like taking orders, but I believe simaliarly to Najakcharmer in that I feel when at work you should be professional, and do what you are getting paid for. ie do your job. If that job entails taking orders, guess what, I'm taking orders. . . . even if they are from a dumbass who doesn't understand what needs to be done to fix the situation. . . .  I also didn't back down as a child. This isn't to say I was a bad ass, because I lost fights just as everyone does. It's part of the learning process to understand there is always someone bigger or stronger than you out there.

Also I would like to ask Faramir a question: If you where out with friends and someone was disrepecting your friend would you stay quite and humble?

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/23/2007 11:30:35 AM   
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Honestly, I was simply doing what others have done before me on this thread: Listing my personality traits, and then making a point, based on them. Why this thread has been hijacked, I do not know, but I'll try again to place it back on track.

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Was going to hijack the thread, but I suppose a new one's better..
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ORIGINAL: NakedGirlScout
I believe that natural, non-switching dominant women are just rare enough that some people would never have met one and come to the conclusion that they don't exist. The same could be said of natural dominant men, though!

I hope you don't mind, GirlScout.  If so, my apologies for not taking the time to check first and I'll edit it out.

I just have to ask this, because it's confusing me so badly.  What do people mean when they say something like "natural dominants are rare"?  I've heard this sentiment so many times, and I've often asked for explanation when seen, but now I'm just far too curious.

I've never been very social, so I never paid much attention to others outside my family and close friends to notice a lack of dominance.  Inside my family, most are at least somewhat dominant.  I've come to believe it's a normal, human characteristic that most people have.  So is this not the case, or do people mean something more than what I'm readily picking up by "naturally dominant"?  (I'm getting now that most people might not be naturally dominant, but for it to be "rare"?  That's the part that's confusing me.)


In regards to this, the response I was making was, quite simply, the following ignored portion of my post:

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ORIGINAL: Icarius

In short, I suppose it could be best said that, the only way to answer your question, is with furthur questions, and, in the end, it all simply boils down to a matter of opinion. A "Natural" Dominant, like many titles, is simply an outlook, or a view, that one individual has on another. I have had many friends and family members try to insist that I am a "hacker", because I know how to go through DoS to fix issues on windows 98 systems, or that I know how to put a computer together, troubleshoot software and hardware. To them, I am a "Hacker". To me, however, a "Hacker" is someone who infiltrates secured networks and computers, to either get a thrill from breaking the security, perform malicious actions upon them, or simply to try to aquire knowledge that it may hold. Thus, titles and classifications are simply a matter of personal and individual opinion, despite their final definations.



Now, lets get back to discussing this point, as opposed to behaving like children and flinging insults, accusations, and trying to prove that "our way" is better than another's.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/23/2007 11:41:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MarkC
Also I would like to ask Faramir a question: If you where out with friends and someone was disrepecting your friend would you stay quite and humble?


Dude--that's the whole fucking point!  That quesiton has nothing to do with my D/s intimacy and sexuality.  Maybe I'm just a big pussy, and would swallow "disrespect."  Maybe I'm just some animal who would hand out a shocking, sudden, brutal beat-down that left people stunned.  Maybe, just possibly, I'm an adult member of civil society who generally doesn't see the world as a series of show-downs, and who rarely if ever has confrontations because friggin' normal adults usually act like friggin' adults.  Yeesh.  The way you guys go on and on about how confrotnational you are, I know for fucking sure you are engaging in self-reassurance, and the very fact that a bunch of you have such a scared, insane world view (the world is a series of stare-downs between wimps) says a lot.

BUT NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH D/S!  My need to be bossy with a woman, to control her, make her suffer for me, and serve me, is utterly independent of and has no connection with how aggressive or assertive I am in day to day life.  I could be Billy Bad-Ass, Peter Push-Over or a Nathan Normal Adult Who Isn't Loked in Some Weird Fear Of Others...and still need, want, and do boss my love around.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/23/2007 1:07:02 PM   
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Or you could be Elmer Evasive and not answer the question

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/23/2007 4:19:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: peepeegirl5

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

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ORIGINAL: peepeegirl5

This top makes me look fat. Is it trampy to go on a first date nude?


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Step awaaaaaaaaaaaay from the hookah.


Made my night.


Cease masturbating to my profile CuriousLord, I'm saving myself for Elder Tigresse's mouth.



Yeah, yeah, you lolicons just turn a guy on so much.  :P

Took me a while to place the quote.  Bender of "Futuroma" on the episode where he changes gender to pass the gender test after winning five Olypic gold metals in women's sports.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/23/2007 4:25:44 PM   
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I am going to say that following girlscout's comment, a natural dominant is not one who decided to become dominant, for whatever reason after he or she hit puberty.  This implies anyone who wants to be a dominant just to get ahold of a submissive or slave be it for sex or for any other form of service.
As an aside, I learned several years before I hit puberty how to control others and have done for me what I wanted.  I now am at a point in life where I just sign my name, who needs cash or a credit card.  Further I still control what and who I want to control.
When I first read the OP, I thought they were talking about wannabees and fakes as not being a natural dominant.  After reading through here though, I realized girl scout was simply implying at what age did you start being dominant over others.  How many here actually could do that before they hit puberty ?

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/23/2007 4:30:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

Think peepeegirl5 started to express something in regards to high school click groups.


Ick, really?  I just started laughing.. I thought she was just trying to be randomly funny and didn't think too much of it.  It's an interesting point.


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ORGINIAL: WhiplashSmile

Again "Naturally dominant" vs. what, this is the question I'd like to pose.


I'm going to guess it would be "Naturally dominant" versus those who became dominant later in life.

It might be interesting to see why others grew to be dominant, if they weren't the leader sort in childhood.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/23/2007 4:41:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

I'm unclear on why switching makes someone not a natural dominant.  There's stuff you do because it's your natural inclination, and stuff you do because it's kind of fun even though it doesn't necessarily describe you or define you.

I know some loud, mouthy, homophobic and uptight male doms who trumpet loudly that they're REAL because they don't switch....and they're always the ones who ask me to secretly dominate them without telling anyone else in the community.  Now I'm sure not every single one of the loudmouths is a closet sub, but the demeanor of someone who is so uptight that they have to actively badmouth switches and loudly proclaim their un-switchability tells me that there is something they are not entirely secure about inside themselves.

I also know some confident, powerful, strong and easygoing dominants who have explored switching or bottomming, sometimes as part of their spiritual journey or specifically to learn the submissive perspective.  Some of them decided it was fun to explore the other side, and some of them decided naah, it's not for me.  Either way, these are the people I personally tend to have a lot more respect for, and the ones I consider more "naturally" dominant. 

Switching for me is in the same category as parachute jumping, eg, one of those interesting adventures that sound like they might be fun and that I might or might not get around to at some point in life.  I don't have a huge emotional attachment to it one way or another, but I used to identify publically as a switch mainly because I was so goddamn annoyed with all the Domly-Doms who thought that not being a switch was what made them Real, and subs living in fantasy land who only wanted to submit to a Real Domme (eg, a cardboard cutout from a fetish magazine who was not an actual human being).  But since it was more of a political statement than an accurate description of what I've done and what I want to do, I stopped doing that. 



It would seem you don't place as much empathesis on who's natural or not, and value the willingness some may have to switch.

I know I'm a pretty laid back "Dom" and not exactly a hardcore sadist- but I don't think I'd ever switch.  I know it aggitates me whenever someone tries to issue an order.  I typically ignore such statements entirely as disregarded, and I doubt I could ever feel as a sub does.

I think one of the main things making me so dominant is that I have an agenda- things I feel I must do- and I follow it with fiery passion.  Anyone to try to slow me in this course often faces the wrath of fiery passion.  It's a will that cannot be broken.

I believe there are other reasons for being dominant.  Perhaps some with such reasons could also be submissive and content as such.  I could never empathize, though.  Perhaps that's the difference in being "naturally dominant"?  Not having your stance effected by outside forces so much, as one would have likely been dominant as a matter of identity as opposed to preference?

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/26/2007 8:31:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NakedGirlScout
I believe that natural, non-switching dominant women are just rare enough that some people would never have met one and come to the conclusion that they don't exist. The same could be said of natural dominant men, though!

Naturally Dominant is rare?  A Dominant would not be a Dominant unless he was naturally Dominant. well that is what i think, or is that to logical?

beanie

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/26/2007 8:41:05 PM   
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Some people are naturally stupid.  Does that count?

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/26/2007 9:10:20 PM   
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L&M,

I think some people have had their natural stupidity enhanced artificially.  Only explanation I can think of that explains it.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 6/4/2007 6:04:10 PM   
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Females are the natural dominants. 

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