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Learning Styles - 5/1/2007 2:36:00 PM   
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  I realize that as we learn, we absorb, and process information in many different ways. I have great interest and find it important to understand not only my own style, but a potential partners “style of learning”. Example: random, sequential, ect… At times I may better communicate something I am teaching, or the manner in which I may present a task. Sometimes even to encourage a sub to “think outside of their own box”, in order to accomplish the task. It also aids in my understanding of how someone may be teaching me, in a specific area.
What are your views on this?
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RE: Learning Styles - 5/1/2007 5:15:47 PM   
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I think it's always best to take into consideration what type of learning style a submissive has, specifically if he/she is being trained for service. Not only styles of learning but motivators, as well. Some people respond to different "tactics".
 
I don't think catering your style of training to suit the learning style of the submissive is an example of topping from the bottom...just being practical.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/1/2007 5:36:07 PM   
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Yes, it's good to think about learning styles when you're trying to teach. It's good to be aware and critical of your own teaching style (and communication style) in general. I don't think as much about the abstract/concrete/holistic/sequential divisions as I think about visual, verbal, kinesthetic, etc, but anything that gets you thinking about how you choose to impart and receive information is good, in my view. It's a question of effectiveness.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/1/2007 7:53:07 PM   
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RE: Learning Styles - 5/1/2007 8:01:27 PM   
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In terms of education, there are various thoughts on learning styles, from the VAK model mentioned by PairOfDimes (ie Visual, Audio and Kinaesthetic) to Gardners Multiple Intelligences to Kolb's Model of Experiential Learning (Google them if you want to know more!). In terms of sub/slave training, I tend to think more easily of learning by instruction, correction or example. Sadly My ex-hubby/sub was unwilling (unable?) to learn by all 3 :-(

However, I agree that it can be a great help to consider the sub's learning style(s) so that the Dominant doesn't waste time going over and over things in the same way, to which the sub is not wired to respond appropriately.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/1/2007 9:18:20 PM   
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I think if people were taught more "how to learn" and didn't chafe so much at the idea of "training" in life, we'd be much more productive in reaching our goals and growing.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 5:09:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: spanklette
I don't think catering your style of training to suit the learning style of the submissive is an example of topping from the bottom...just being practical.


Quite. As a Master You want what? You want her to learn, that is the focus. If she can't learn what you are trying to teach her from one aproach then no amount of repeating it, pushing at it or getting frustrated will get her to learn it. You have to try a diffrent approach.

Too often in those situations the poor girl gets blamed and made to feel guilty, when it is lack of teaching/communication skills on the part of the Dominant.

In learning how My girl works I learn the best way to aproach problems with her, the best way to get her to understand, the best way to teach her and draw the best out of her. Whatever I try she will give Me 100% effort, try her best but some approaches simply work better than others.


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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 6:03:11 AM   
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I think that it important to understand your subs/slaves/bottoms; know their capabilities and use them to your advantage as well as theirs.  Feelings of succes are important to anyone... when our subs/slaves/bottoms feel successful they are eager to learn more.  I guess in a lot of ways it is like teaching children something new...

Talk to your subs/slaves/bottoms find out what makes them tick, what inspires them, what will motivate them to learn.  Learn to understand what success means to your subs/slaves/bottoms so that you can facilitate success for them. 

It is not just the subs/slaves/bottoms that get trained in these processes ... the education goes both ways...

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 6:52:17 AM   
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Thanks for your replies.
The examples I gave in the OP were meant just as starters for thought. I myself do not strictly subscribe to any one "method", but find these things as useful tools for better understanding. As RavenMuse pointed out, flexability, understanding how others learn, and expanding MY skillset of communication I find is key.
I believe it is more my responsibility, than merely an asset.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 9:38:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I think if people were taught more "how to learn" and didn't chafe so much at the idea of "training" in life, we'd be much more productive in reaching our goals and growing.


Oh yes on that one.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 10:29:12 AM   
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I also echo LA's response.

And add that some submissives get so worked up/hung up over the word "training".
Learning is a much better word that at least to Myself doesnt have that feeling of being pressured
to always be the best.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 11:16:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I think if people were taught more "how to learn" and didn't chafe so much at the idea of "training" in life, we'd be much more productive in reaching our goals and growing.


I can vouch for this one out of personal experience.

I wonder how much better of a chef I would be if I hadnt let my ego get in the way of actually learning things in restaurants.

The irony of it is my lack of humility when I was younger resulted in having less to have an ego about now that I am older.

It seems more and more today, particularly my generation, has a "know it all" stance on things and too good to learn anything.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 11:52:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
It seems more and more today, particularly my generation, has a "know it all" stance on things and too good to learn anything.

I don't think it's more prevalent now than it has been before.

I don't think it's really that prevalent anyway- my friends and I certainly never thought we had it figured out, we were mostly terrified of most grown up things while simultaneously very anxious to start to prove ourselves.

I think it's often a backlash reaction to grown ups being condescending and invalidating younger people due solely to age.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 2:10:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I think it's often a backlash reaction to grown ups being condescending and invalidating younger people due solely to age.


Fair enough. I can agree with that on retrospect. With more though on my own past and my friends, it wasnt so much that we knew everything as our bad attitudes towards anything our parents had to say came off that way.

I think our backgrounds are very different though. My friends werent interested in listening to anything to adults said, doing adult things, learning, or growing up as much as they were in drugs, music, and sex. Consequences? Pfffttt...whatever....

Once I began to grow up and began to actually listen and learn from all the shit I had been threw as well as from people older than me, my own life began to advance by leaps and bounds. Before that, I just stubbornly repeated the same cycles over and over again because "I knew better".




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RE: Learning Styles - 5/2/2007 2:38:10 PM   
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[/quote]It seems more and more today, particularly my generation, has a "know it all" stance on things and too good to learn anything.[/quote]


I'm not sure that's completely true.People are most often products of their enviroment.If raised to be open and understanding they grow up to be that way.
As a parent of a young adult I see it everyday with him and his friends.

Not to say they dont think they are invinceable at times or have a warped sense of what "real life" is.They cant help it.They are dreamers full of promise to be anything they want.Trying to break away from everything safe to go out on their own is something they want so badly,but yet are scared to death at the thought.

When they have a cocky attitude I see someone scared of whats around the bend
in this Adult life they are supposed to live now.


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RE: Learning Styles - 5/3/2007 7:37:34 AM   
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 I think there are mainly two styles of learning.
Those the hit something and go on fire learning all they can, as fast and as fully as they can.
Sort of like taking off on a rocket ship or fast train and having a good over all general concept.
The second group focuses on one avenue or concept fragment at a time.
Till that part's perfected they pay no attention to the rest of the information knowing if they move forward once they master something. It leaves them on more solid ground and in depth, but takes way longer to get an over all detailed conceptual knowledge.

Both have their strengths, weaknesses, bad points, and good point IMO.
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RE: Learning Styles - 5/3/2007 8:20:55 AM   
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I believe it was Mark Twain who said that he couldn't believe at age 16 how ignorant his father was, and how much he had learned by the time Twain turned 21. Adolescent hubris seems to be well established.

However back to the op. We hit this early on when he said something to me in chat and I promptly forgot about it. I had to tell him that stuff just said in conversation doesn't do it for me, if it was something important he should please remind me in an email. Possibly if I had known how to save chat logs I might have looked back at it, but an email with a title Instructions for Tomorrow for example is something I will reread and refer to. Same as conversations here, if it's important I get right up and write it down because otherwise I will forget about it. And sometimes he leaves me a note since he knows this works better.

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/3/2007 8:22:40 AM   
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For myself, when I become interested in a topic I will read anything and everything that I can get my hands on.  When I fcome across things that I do not quite understand I will ask questions until I get a better understanding of it.  Sometimes perhaps too many questions.  
Once I have the general concept in my head I become more of a "hands on" learner.  You can tell or show me how to do something but I do not really grasp the full concept of it until I have actually experienced it myself. 

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RE: Learning Styles - 5/3/2007 3:10:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

I think there are mainly two styles of learning.


Doesn't quite mesh with what the research turns up. There appears to be several styles of learning, and several styles of teaching. One style of each is fairly common, which is why there are lots of people with "learning disabilities" out there with seemingly normal intelligence otherwise.

I know a guy who couldn't pick up a single fact from school... ever; yet he could remember every person who'd ever played for a particular football team, when they signed on, when they quit, what team they came from, what team they went to, etc., without ever having memorized it intentionally. Very normal person in every respect; too normal for me, in fact.

I personally never liked him, but I can't help thinking that if they'd found some way to put the subjects in a way that he could relate to, he'd have no problem picking them up.

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Those the hit something and go on fire learning all they can, as fast and as fully as they can. Sort of like taking off on a rocket ship or fast train and having a good over all general concept.


Oversimplified, but yes... It's contextual or parallell learning. If you have the intellectual resources to organize the information rapidly, and can read quickly, as well as having the discipline to review the information two days later, this will give you a very good framework to fit the details into. It's how I start out, but I go back for the details. Some people, particularly those with ADHD, tend to lose interest and not bother getting the details down. My solution to that problem is simply to apply the knowledge in practice; that way, you learn what details you will need, and pick them up, fitting them in where they belong. Later on, if there's something you've missed (and there always is, no matter what approach you use, unless you limit yourself to tasks that are rote/robotic work), you can pick that up right quickly, as you already have the mental "hooks" to hang it on.

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The second group focuses on one avenue or concept fragment at a time. Till that part's perfected they pay no attention to the rest of the information knowing if they move forward once they master something. It leaves them on more solid ground and in depth, but takes way longer to get an over all detailed conceptual knowledge.


I wouldn't say more solid ground, but, yes, people who follow this method will tend to have a vast number of details, often without any idea of their relative importance or their place in the overall picture. It's pretty much equivalent in terms of results.

However, the second group you mentioned is fairly rare, in my experience.

I've mostly encountered people who take a similar approach, but focus on the surface, which makes them ideal for doing stuff that doesn't require a deeper understanding of the topic, but they don't have any grasp of the fundamentals or the underlying concepts, which leaves them unable to do any task that requires abstract thinking or pushes the boundaries of what they know. I'd guess it's the same problem that causes this as the one causing the problems with the other group.

Personally, I think in-depth understanding is a seperate axis, and that it depends on the ability to organize the relevant ideas, as well as the ability to do abstract thinking.


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RE: Learning Styles - 5/3/2007 3:12:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LVpet

You can tell or show me how to do something but I do not really grasp the full concept of it until I have actually experienced it myself.


I don't think anyone can properly grasp a topic without some amount of hands-on learning.

That said, acquiring good skills in a field requires about 10 years, pretty much regardless of the field in question.


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