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Griswold -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 5:59:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

some people shouldn't have children


Ditto.




domiguy -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 6:01:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

some people shouldn't have children


Ditto.


This is just one of a thousand good reasons to engage in the wonderful world that is anal.




CuriousLord -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 6:11:04 PM)

The post which you just responded was a response to a response to me that you took down- as you know.  I made it to your reponse, though, before you took it down, and didn't see that you had done so until now.

This said.

My initial response to the OP said that the collective of pro-choice arguments would justify the event that occured.  The lack of intent is not mitigating to this argument; it is moot, but, in a less-than perfect sense, it's even benificial to my argument.  I believe you found me as equating the two.  This is not the case.

(Since I'm a fan of math in logic, here's what I meant.
It seems you thought I was saying:  <this case> = <abortion>.
I was saying:  log <this case> />>  log <abortion>.)

I believe this corrected misunderstanding should answer the entirety counterpoints.  If not, I would ask you to alert me to the missed points.

To address the opinion, I would encourage you to look more deeply before dismissing something I say.  Not to sound arrogant, but I'm no one who is often at loss for thought nor contemplation.
Actually, I'd be rather happy, if you value such thought, to make the case in mathematical syntax or/and logical syntax.  The vast majority of the population is unable to follow such arguments, so I typically make the mutual grace to myself and others in saving the time in not doing so.  The above snipett was just too expliative to neglect from statement in the case in which English seemed to be failing.




domiguy -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 6:37:12 PM)

Maybe there should be a handy dandy mathematical equation to determine the AQ (asshat quotient) of any particular statement.

I am done.  There is no sense in proceeding futher...There is nothing to be gained. If you cannot understand the difference between an embryo,which holds the promise of life, and an actual living and breathing sentient being than this is truly where the conversation does become moot. I hope you have a much broader knowledge of mathematical syntax than I...It is an area that I will gladly profess my ignorance.

Take care.




CuriousLord -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 6:46:01 PM)

I am regretful you feel that one would disregard the remarkable simularity between a pair of physical and chemical reactions based on the exterior environment of its existence and further regretful you would consider approaching such an argument from a logical prospective so deplorable.

As with the OP, I will applaud you for disengaging from a debate in which you are unable to participate in which a level head.  I am sorry if this seems condescending, though it would be moreso if I was patronizing in stating false sentiment.




soultoshare -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 7:20:00 PM)

Getting back on track here.....here in AZ, we have several occurrences of someone losing a child inside a vehicle.  While it is tragic, the basic concept is the same...how in the world do you forget your child?  Last summer, one infant died after the mother told a another child about 5 years old to get the child out of the car.....5 year old either didn't hear or didn't want to.....several hours later, a neighbor saw the child in the car, but it was too late.  I never forgot my child, inadvertantly or otherwise. 

This poor man is going to have to deal with the guilt of his actions for a long time, a lifetime, in fact.  Prosecuting him isn't going to bring the child back, putting him in prison will serve nothing good.  I am all for prosecuting the guilty, but there are some occasions where the justice system will not punish him worse than life will.  It will be tough to get a jury to convict him, even if it's 12 mothers......

just my .02




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 7:29:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Griswold

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

some people shouldn't have children


Ditto.


This is just one of a thousand good reasons to engage in the wonderful world that is anal.


Abstinence as always an option too




Zensee -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 8:19:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

My initial response to the OP said that the collective of pro-choice arguments would justify the event that occured. 


According to my calculations that's a steaming heap of shit - pardon me, a wild, unsupported assertion. I am joking of course - I don't actually know the equation for equivocation.)

It's ok to have an opinion - you don't need to hide it behind signs and symbols most people don't understand or to take two pages to articulate it. Since we incogent masses don't "do math" very well, perhaps you should try speaking plainly, rather than making us work so hard for the benefit of your radiant insights.

Z.




CuriousLord -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 8:40:20 PM)

No one really makes books or writes things to be complicated.  Some things just are.

I like Math since it's a simple way to state things and very accurate for those who do get it.  In the previous posts, I said everything in English, then repeated one in mathematical terms when the guy didn't get it, hoping another approach might work.  It didn't, but it was worth a shot, you know?

---

I know I'm sounding like a stuck up, delussional ass here, but this is something that's pissing the hell out of me 24/7.  I can only say some of the things I think or feel to others because they're "too complex" for most people to get.
 
It's like everyone just expects me to be better at school work and, other than that, to think just like them.  It's okay to be smart when it means you just get a freaking 'A' on some exam no one's going to remember after the class is over.  It's a freaking crime when it causes you to see the world from a radically different prospective.  And the fact your prospective is more accurate just furthers people being pissed off at you while you're entirely unable to articulate anything of substance to them.
 
Excuse the rant.. I'm normally pretty ADD and it keeps me from focusing on any one topic for too long.  The ADD's not killing me as badly today and these things are harder to keep off the mind.

PS-  I'm not sure how I come across in posts at time.  I'm pretty frustrated with my own issue, but my views on others are almost always either amused or indifferent.  Those I sound aggressive with are likely under the primer catigory as it's more playful teasing.  I'm a big fan of sarcasm.
This, and I tend to voice my frustrations to those I feel are more able to understand where I'm coming from.




Zensee -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 9:07:37 PM)

I can appreciate how difficult and alienating it can be an outsider or to have something stuck in your head and not have an ideal way of expressing it (or in your case, if I heard you correctly, to express it and not be understood). If it could all be math things would be simpler or at least less ambiguous. Unfortunately it is English...

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And the fact your prospective is more accurate just furthers people being pissed off at you while you're entirely unable to articulate anything of substance to them.


Might I suggest that the above statement presumes your perspective actually IS more accurate. If that is true, and it needs to be communicated, then it is the duty of the communicator to transmit the message, not the listener to receive it. It might also be untrue and only appear true because you have not encountered someone who can or is willing to engage you in rebuttal or because you are resistant. Being unopposed does not automatically make one right.


Z.




CuriousLord -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 9:30:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

Might I suggest that the above statement presumes your perspective actually IS more accurate. If that is true, and it needs to be communicated, then it is the duty of the communicator to transmit the message, not the listener to receive it. It might also be untrue and only appear true because you have not encountered someone who can or is willing to engage you in rebuttal or because you are resistant. Being unopposed does not automatically make one right.


Yeah, like in the previous conversation, I've been.. trying to communicate.

I would rebuke the opening statement in saying that it's ironically presumptious.  ;)  (This is, it's pressuming that I'm pressuming as opposed to having evidence.  Though I'll give it that you left it sort of open-ended, so it's not entirely based on this presumption.  :P)

As the things I feel with regards to this subject are relatively unique, I tend to use a lot of analogies.
I can't tell you how many people have asked me, "Why don't you just speak normally and say it like a normal, intelligent person does?"  How do you explain to them that a normal, intelligent person is a blithering idiot?  Not to say I'm much better- one of the insights I'm more keely aware of is just how utterly stupid humans beings (to include both myself and those who may be more  intelligent than I am) are.

But, anyhow, the analogy I like to use is about a "mentally retarded" person (a phrase I don't like since it's degrading to some for a condition I consider to be nearly universal).  If you consider something you consider to be complicated- think of how you might explain it to a mentally retarded individual.  You might come up with some simplier anaologies or get some of the basic things together, but they're never, no matter how long you bust your head at it, going to get the full scope of things.  (I've been teaching at the colleges I've attended.  I've known some mentally retarded people and I've watched others interact with them.  They just don't get this sometimes.)

It's really off topic for the thread, though I appreciate someone saying something on the issue that isn't an ego-saving flame about how they're right, regardless of any points or facts (this honestly isn't aimed at anyone in particular- I just run into it a lot, as I think many do).  Anyhow, I don't believe you can teach someone who's not as mentally inclined the same things that are demanding on a more mentalled inclined individual.

So, all I know really to do is to act on them, state my reasons as best as I can when needed, and to do it.
For reasons I do not fully understand, many tend to follow me.  When I finally finish my rounds at college, I'm going to have a host of degrees and achomplishments to show off, and, hopefully, some major invention, so I'll have a good income.  My point here being that I'm going to have a disproportionate amount of influence.  Ensuring that this portion is as great as possible and that I use it as wisely as available stands as my answer to the "what to do with important things you can't communicate".

As a side note, this feeling of mine causes me to be awfully sympathetic to many powerful individuals who do things in the world, seemingly stupid to others, offering little to no justifcation.  I tend to think out their actions and find deeper reasonings.  Some of them are idiots.  I've found some true geniuses, though, doing things with the world most people would never agree to.  It's not a conspiracy, though.. just different individuals doing the best they can with the tools they're given in this environment.

I'm going to stop here.  I always think too much.. too much to rant about, and I'm trying, desperately, to resist the urge to elaborate into things further than would be practical for the sake of posting on this board.  =/

Well, I'm sure I look like an egotistical ass now.  Ah wells.  At least I'm finally being a bit more honest.




domiguy -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 9:41:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zensee

Might I suggest that the above statement presumes your perspective actually IS more accurate. If that is true, and it needs to be communicated, then it is the duty of the communicator to transmit the message, not the listener to receive it. It might also be untrue and only appear true because you have not encountered someone who can or is willing to engage you in rebuttal or because you are resistant. Being unopposed does not automatically make one right.


Well, I'm sure I look like an egotistical ass now.  Ah wells.  At least I'm finally being a bit more honest.


This is the only quote that shows you possess an ability to reason...Your continual attempts to show your intelligence and tremendous strengths can only make one think that there must be so many aspects of your person that are totally lacking.




Casie -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 9:43:55 PM)

Stuff like this makes me sick. It is common sense that cars get hot sitting in the sun, and that this can harm little childern and to leave a child in a  car for 7 HOURS?? This was surely still in diapers in need of changing and probably very hungry. Being a parent, this breaks my heart. I hope the guy gets the max, and I hope his stay in prison is a very miserable one.




Zensee -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 9:57:42 PM)

What a dreadful tragedy, to cause the death of your child. I imagine this man is already in hell, if he had any love for his son at all. Jail might only only punish the rest of his family and do little justice.

I wonder what was so pressing at work that he could forget his child was in the car.


Z.




CuriousLord -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 10:08:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

This is the only quote that shows you possess an ability to reason...Your continual attempts to show your intelligence and tremendous strengths can only make one think that there must be so many aspects of your person that are totally lacking.


Yeah, I come off as an ass doing so.  So what?  I suffer no such delussion that anyone thinks any better of me for the rants and vents I give off from time to time.

I get who I am.  Your hostility isn't going to change that, even if you are successful in making this more annoying for anyone who would waste their time reading this in the first place.  And it's certainly not going to bring me down to your level.

Peace.




CuriousLord -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 10:14:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

What a dreadful tragedy, to cause the death of your child. I imagine this man is already in hell, if he had any love for his son at all. Jail might only only punish the rest of his family and do little justice.

I wonder what was so pressing at work that he could forget his child was in the car.


For me, memories of similarly scheduled back-to-back days, such as a couple days of work at the same time/place with no classes, and on days with no other unique qualifiers- like there's a particular deadline approaching- can run together.  Like, if I were this man, and I had work the same hours for a couple weeks up until this point, dropping the kids off at the same times and places each morning, I could start the process of dropping them off, then the old memories would get mixed up with the new one and I might think I've already done it.

It's probably an off chance, but so many working parents in the country, someone was bound to filfull any even marginally possible probablity over time.  This guy just happened to be him.  In my guess, anyhow.




juliaoceania -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 10:16:44 PM)

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said they're on the same order of magnitude of moral disgustingness. 


Strange, for someone so coldly logical to make an unequivocable statement about morals... truly amusing.




CuriousLord -> RE: Topic: Chattanooga infant dies after being left in sweltering vehicle (5/2/2007 10:21:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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said they're on the same order of magnitude of moral disgustingness. 


Strange, for someone so coldly logical to make an unequivocable statement about morals... truly amusing.


I believe in having emotions and considering the effect decisions, values, and other considersations will have on them.  I just don't believe in allowing emotions someone has at the time of making that call to effect their judgement.




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