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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 4:06:36 PM   
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you're not wrong, PA. 

there is a riff within the Black community ...in-fighting as it were because since Dr. King's death, not a single person really has represented the common sentiments of every Black person collectively.  yes urban decay, crime and gangs are a major problem within the Black community however it isn't contained to the Black communities only - there are Hispanic gangs, white gangs, girl gangs of all races, etc. - gangs are an ethnic and gender problem these days especially here in Chicago.


Sambas, you guys aren't "allowed" to carry guns in Chicago and it's a "sanctuary city" for illegal aliens?
Man, you're screwed!
They were saying on the News that "sanctuary cities" should be cut off from federal funding.
I agree.
It doesn't sound as though The People are in control of their city up there anymore.


Chicago is a tremendous city...I fell just at ease in my neighborhood as I would living anywhere else. As far as being a "sanctuary city" I guess it is possible but maybe I just haven't noticed.

One of the tremendous bounties of the city is the diversity...From the various street fairs that run through about every neighborhood to the restaurants, the music and just such a vast variety of folks and different cultures living in a rather small area.

I love living here anywhere else might seem a little "vanilla" to me.  Should everyone enter this country by legal means...Damn straight.  Do I feel that this is the most important crisis facing our nation?...Not a chance.



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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 4:13:32 PM   
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"upper class residents away from the gun friendly and immigrant unfriendly suburbs."

What a sweeping, rediculous and reactionary statement.  

I brought this up in another thread that a great problem facing black America is its lack of role models.  Cosby is right in the things he says but he gets called an "Uncle Tom".  Barack is going to face that same criticism...only more so.  There is no Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. coming up in the ranks.  You have hacks and whore like Sharpton and Jackson who thrive on keeping black America and white America divided.  You have Louis Farakhan who is just plaing fucking nuts and you have the New Black Panther Movement.  All four of the aforementioned thrive on keeping things divided, the last two are enormously aggressive.  Dr. King stressed peaceful resolve and education.  You don't hear anything like that these days. There is no elogquent "I have a dream..." language that is being advanced, no one advocating the similarities we share as human beings and Americans that can be heard above the fray. 


There are others who have posted similiar sentiments so I am not "picking" on lockedaway...But I always get a bit of a smile when the discussion that there is no "one' leader or speaker for 'Black America"...I would ask where is the white voice of reason that represents us? I guess it must be Bush or maybe Al Franken....lol.

Where is the Chinese American Voice? or the Hispanic voice?

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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 4:17:16 PM   
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My role model is apparently George Washington Bush----oh christ!!!!! take me now.


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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 4:44:39 PM   
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you're not wrong, PA. 

there is a riff within the Black community ...in-fighting as it were because since Dr. King's death, not a single person really has represented the common sentiments of every Black person collectively.  yes urban decay, crime and gangs are a major problem within the Black community however it isn't contained to the Black communities only - there are Hispanic gangs, white gangs, girl gangs of all races, etc. - gangs are an ethnic and gender problem these days especially here in Chicago.


Sambas, you guys aren't "allowed" to carry guns in Chicago and it's a "sanctuary city" for illegal aliens?
Man, you're screwed!
They were saying on the News that "sanctuary cities" should be cut off from federal funding.
I agree.
It doesn't sound as though The People are in control of their city up there anymore.


Chicago is a tremendous city...I fell just at ease in my neighborhood as I would living anywhere else. As far as being a "sanctuary city" I guess it is possible but maybe I just haven't noticed.

One of the tremendous bounties of the city is the diversity...From the various street fairs that run through about every neighborhood to the restaurants, the music and just such a vast variety of folks and different cultures living in a rather small area.

I love living here anywhere else might seem a little "vanilla" to me.  Should everyone enter this country by legal means...Damn straight.  Do I feel that this is the most important crisis facing our nation?...Not a chance.




Domiguy, Chicago, like all big cities in the U.S. was always "diverse" and had plenty of immigrants from many different countries.
I think you may be confusing "Immigrants" with illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens are criminals and have nothing to do with "diversity."

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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 4:59:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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you're not wrong, PA. 

there is a riff within the Black community ...in-fighting as it were because since Dr. King's death, not a single person really has represented the common sentiments of every Black person collectively.  yes urban decay, crime and gangs are a major problem within the Black community however it isn't contained to the Black communities only - there are Hispanic gangs, white gangs, girl gangs of all races, etc. - gangs are an ethnic and gender problem these days especially here in Chicago.


Sambas, you guys aren't "allowed" to carry guns in Chicago and it's a "sanctuary city" for illegal aliens?
Man, you're screwed!
They were saying on the News that "sanctuary cities" should be cut off from federal funding.
I agree.
It doesn't sound as though The People are in control of their city up there anymore.


Chicago is a tremendous city...I fell just at ease in my neighborhood as I would living anywhere else. As far as being a "sanctuary city" I guess it is possible but maybe I just haven't noticed.

One of the tremendous bounties of the city is the diversity...From the various street fairs that run through about every neighborhood to the restaurants, the music and just such a vast variety of folks and different cultures living in a rather small area.

I love living here anywhere else might seem a little "vanilla" to me.  Should everyone enter this country by legal means...Damn straight.  Do I feel that this is the most important crisis facing our nation?...Not a chance.




Domiguy, Chicago, like all big cities in the U.S. was always "diverse" and had plenty of immigrants from many different countries.
I think you may be confusing "Immigrants" with illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens are criminals and have nothing to do with "diversity."


I understand they have not come into this country by legal means but since we are on of the "sanctuary cities" you would think that there would be thousands of people "up in arms" about all of these illegals that have swamped our city...There recently was a raid on a shopping mall in a Hispanic neighborhood...Where they locked the doors of the mall and detained the people inside demanding to see I.D.'s

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_114185426.html

We need to make sure that our borders are not so easily crossed...But armed soldiers stopping fellow Americans by locking them in a mall is an extraordinary and unbelievable abuse..

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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 5:25:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

you're not wrong, PA. 

there is a riff within the Black community ...in-fighting as it were because since Dr. King's death, not a single person really has represented the common sentiments of every Black person collectively.  yes urban decay, crime and gangs are a major problem within the Black community however it isn't contained to the Black communities only - there are Hispanic gangs, white gangs, girl gangs of all races, etc. - gangs are an ethnic and gender problem these days especially here in Chicago.


Sambas, you guys aren't "allowed" to carry guns in Chicago and it's a "sanctuary city" for illegal aliens?
Man, you're screwed!
They were saying on the News that "sanctuary cities" should be cut off from federal funding.
I agree.
It doesn't sound as though The People are in control of their city up there anymore.


Chicago is a tremendous city...I fell just at ease in my neighborhood as I would living anywhere else. As far as being a "sanctuary city" I guess it is possible but maybe I just haven't noticed.

One of the tremendous bounties of the city is the diversity...From the various street fairs that run through about every neighborhood to the restaurants, the music and just such a vast variety of folks and different cultures living in a rather small area.

I love living here anywhere else might seem a little "vanilla" to me.  Should everyone enter this country by legal means...Damn straight.  Do I feel that this is the most important crisis facing our nation?...Not a chance.




Domiguy, Chicago, like all big cities in the U.S. was always "diverse" and had plenty of immigrants from many different countries.
I think you may be confusing "Immigrants" with illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens are criminals and have nothing to do with "diversity."


I understand they have not come into this country by legal means but since we are on of the "sanctuary cities" you would think that there would be thousands of people "up in arms" about all of these illegals that have swamped our city...There recently was a raid on a shopping mall in a Hispanic neighborhood...Where they locked the doors of the mall and detained the people inside demanding to see I.D.'s

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_114185426.html

We need to make sure that our borders are not so easily crossed...But armed soldiers stopping fellow Americans by locking them in a mall is an extraordinary and unbelievable abuse..


Abuse? Not really, it beats chasing them all over the parking lot and down the streets!
And a lot of people aren't "up in arms" about a lot of things Bush is or isn't doing!
Everyone I know is not in favor of illegal aliens being in the country.
(Friends and neighbors, Democrats, Republicans, Independants ,Greens and others.)
You might go out into your neighborhood and take a survey and see what your neighbors think.
Illegals protest in the streets.
Citizens have to work.

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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 5:35:36 PM   
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Popeye we are more on the same side then you might realize...But the problem lies at the border....If you are going to shut down a mall and detain citizens of this Country then I would like to see them do it at Woodfield Mall or In Oak Brook and see how the citizens of this Country react to that.

We need to clamp down our borders...But you can't be detaining the citizens of this land because you didn't do your job to begin with.

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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 5:58:01 PM   
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Domiguy, I agree that the U.S. government needs to be far more effective in that area.
Yes, maybe they should be doing that in more malls, if I was involved in that and lost a few hours because of it it wouldn't really bother me but I can only speak for myself.
I wouldn't be blaming the Feds for doing their job in that area I'd be blaming the illegal aliens for being here!
If the Feds want to raid Malls here they are most welcome to do so!

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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 11:14:14 PM   
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Ok- abit of history on Chicago.  the 1st mayor Daily- kept the city very segregated.  In general for a large city- it had a segregatted mentality- when campared to say- west coast cities.  When the Interstate highway was build it was intentionally designed to keep the neighborhoods confined to the ethnic or racial flavor that had been tradition.
I left in 1988- so I cant say what the current mayor- who is the son of the origanl Daily.

As for crime being down- i disagree. People simply stop reporting some of the crime. It appears nothing can be done so why bother. As for carrying a gun- anything goes in the big city. A dead body can lay for hours and hours and hours before it is "noticed".  Blaming guns on suburbia is a mute point. as the guns would come in from farther out. [donw state]

In general- crime happens there- ir-regardless of ones color.  It is rampant. When I left- my opinion was/is the guys in the ties were almost as bad as the gangs. The frauds- scandals....chicago has a history of interesting crimes- it was probaly the first place where dead people voted.

I lived in Chicagoland for 25 years. The best and worst of my times were there.  I love to visit- but too many people are competing for limited space. As hard-cold and expensive that it was in the 80s- it is more-so now.

The new mayor Daily- has taken on a moderate tone to his governance. Tho curruption os alive and well- the truck haulers scandal among the recent machine type of politics.

Policitics- the machine-chicago itself has an allure that is unique onto itself. 

Urban decay- gangs- are a huge problem in much of the country.

I dont have the answere to urban decay. I also can empathise with folks whom are gentrified out of their homes. [guys in ties]

be that as it may- a metro is a metro- and there is plenty of poverty that riddles- katrina-zises the USA.

that toddlening town!!!   ;->~ 

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RE: Barack Obama critiques the black community - 5/3/2007 11:17:02 PM   
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A good example right here of why I don't think he's going to be elected.  Too many people see him as a black candidate, not as a candidate.

I don't particularly like him myself, but I can't be too proud of my country when I foresee that he'll never be elected for no other reason than that he's black.

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I'm wondering what message he has for the Irish/American community?
What's he going to do for us?

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