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Nikko1962 -> Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 9:05:27 AM)

To learn more about your sub's psyche and/or devotion to you, have you ever loaned your submissive to someone that you trusted, but this person was someone you knew your sub didn’t like for an evening of play or a weekend while you were away?




Lashra -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 9:19:32 AM)

No I have never loaned him out and probably never will. I am responsible for him and his safety and honestly, I just do not trust other people all that much. I know him well enough to know he is devoted and I know pretty much how his mind works. Although with that said I do realize that we cannot know every facet of a another persons mind, I think I know him pretty well. He wouldn't want to serve anyone but me, why is that? He is dominant  to everyone-except- me, he doesn't give his submission out like candy that is just how he is wired.

~Lashra




LadyPact -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 9:25:46 AM)

I have to tend to agree with Lashara.  I had this conversation one time with My (at the time) Pet, and it went something like this....
 
Pet:  Would you ever loan Me out?
LP:  It would depend on the circumstances, and if it was something W/we felt you needed to experience.
Pet:  Would you want Me to do it?
LP:  Not really.
Pet:  Then why would you?  Are you really a masochist deep down?
 
Generally, My boys are too important to Me to loan out to anyone else.  Now, if I were there, and participating with him, that might be another story.




Einzelganger -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 9:42:36 AM)

I know this is the Ask a Mistress forum, but I feel rather strongly about this, so I thought I'd share my thoughts briefly, in the case that anyone should want a sub's perspective.

I don't know if most subs are like me or not, but when I submit to my woman, I submit to her.  Not her friends, not anyone she chooses.  Just her.  I do it out of love, devotion, and a level of trust I would not extend to her friends.  Granted, some may say that, if I truly trusted her, I'd let her loan me to someone else.  Well, the trust might still be there, but the love and devotion parts would be missing completely.  Also, the sort of trust a submissive places in their dominant involves the sub's life and well-being...just another thing to keep in mind.

To many, this phrase is getting old, but the basic meaning still holds true, for me.  My submission is a gift.  It's a very special gift, one that I am giving to one woman only.  It is not a credit card, to be passed about to anyone she pleases, be it for favours or friendship on her part; I doubt any woman to whom I'd submit would ever ask that of me.

So, a question for the Dommes: if someone you loved gave you a precious gift, one that could not be replaced with one identical to it, would you casually loan it out to your friends?  Just a little food for thought...

-Einzelgänger

P.S.  My apologies if I'm looking at this in the wrong light, or if I've been blinded by my past experiences.




Elorin -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 9:44:48 AM)

If a submissive consented to be loaned out for certain things, I would do it. I would have no hesitation in asking a submissive to work with another Dominant to learn a skill or technique that I could not teach.

I would not intentionally loan a submissive out to someone he or she did not like. I value my submissives' loyalties and think this would be more damaging than informative.

~Elorin




BeachMystress -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 9:52:00 AM)

Never have.
Never will.




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 9:59:29 AM)

I would only loan out that which meant least to me.




earthycouple -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 12:08:46 PM)

no no no....I don't do that.  The closest thing to loaning would be allowing my sub to bottom for someone specific purpose while I was there overseeing everything.  I am picky, I don't want my toys broken, and I don't trust people that much.  nope, no way, just ain't gonna do it.

D~




Action -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 12:44:23 PM)

This is a complicated one for me, becuase I would never "loan" out my boy, but he has a very very strong want to serve many with me at the head. One of his biggest fantasies is being used by me and a group of female friends with me at the lead, to use him publicly in front of them then leave him to them to freely use.

But I would never leave him to another, not without a serious connection and set of guidelines and getting to know them very well beforehand. As he becomes more fully mine I don't even see doing that, only now in the early stages so he relizes Im the one he'll devote him too fully and that another Domme is never going to be the same.




MsKatHouston -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 1:19:28 PM)

quote:

So, a question for the Dommes: if someone you loved gave you a precious gift, one that could not be replaced with one identical to it, would you casually loan it out to your friends?  Just a little food for thought...


Yes, if it was someone I knew could be trusted with it.  I don't think the word "casually", however, belongs in that sentence as if loaning out equated to the decision being a casual one.  It would not be and it would only be to someone I trusted completely.

Now, my definition of loaning someone out may be different than others.  However, I would have zero qualms about say someone is having a party and needs help.  They call me and ask if they can borrow my boy for some heavy lifting.  Um, sure, no problem.  If he balked at that for any other reason than time constraints/family issues, I'd be surprised and disappointed.

For play, if I am there, I will be much more generous about him being the bottom to someone else's play.  If I am not there, it would epend on the activity and who the person is.  Service is the same way.  For example, my best friend, Ms. S. was having back issues.  My boy is an excellent masseur.  I offered him to go give her a masssage.  I asked him if he would mind (yes, asked).  He did not.  He made arrangements. 

If it was an act he enjoyed and I had little experience in, I would prefer to learn it myself and would go about doing so, possibly co topping with someone more experienced.  If it was an activity he enjoyed and I did not...maybe, maybe not.  Case by case basis but frankly, I can not think of one thing we are so at polar opposites about anyway.  If there was something like that, I doubt we'd be together because a significant need is not being met. 

If I was to loan him out, it would be with both of them knowing exactly what is and is not ok.  He also has every right (and responsibility) to decline anything he knew I would not like or he could not go through with. 

As far as loaning him to someone I knew he did not like, no way.  I could not do that to him.  Also, the odds of that happening where I had a level of trust and friendship with a person and he did not like them at all is so slim I can not really imagine it.  We met through friends and we run in the same circles.  Again, compatibility there.  But, given the possibility, no I would never loan him out to anyone with whom he'd feel uncomfortable for any reason.




KaramelGoddess -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 2:09:02 PM)

Hi Nikko,
 
After three years of a solid D/s relationship I would have to say... no. 
My boy is a delight.  He is caring, funny, very intelligent and he is the epitome of a submissive (for Me).  We have a beautiful relationship and we know each other inside out.  Sometimes he says "Mistress thank you for loving and understanding me."  I have to say he understands Me too, and when others would have run away, he has stayed. 
He is My property, he is Mine to care for.  He is a treasure to be cherished.  I would not trust any other Domina with what is Mine.  And to be honest, he doesn't want to serve anyone else.
If either of us needs to learn skills - then we'll learn them together.  It's not as if I want him to learn how to cook Indian food or make flower arrangements.  D/s is something much more physical and above all, personal.
With Kind Regard,
~Kara 




Einzelganger -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 2:52:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

Yes, if it was someone I knew could be trusted with it.  I don't think the word "casually", however, belongs in that sentence as if loaning out equated to the decision being a casual one.  It would not be and it would only be to someone I trusted completely.

Now, my definition of loaning someone out may be different than others.  However, I would have zero qualms about say someone is having a party and needs help.  They call me and ask if they can borrow my boy for some heavy lifting.  Um, sure, no problem.  If he balked at that for any other reason than time constraints/family issues, I'd be surprised and disappointed.

For play, if I am there, I will be much more generous about him being the bottom to someone else's play.  If I am not there, it would epend on the activity and who the person is.  Service is the same way.  For example, my best friend, Ms. S. was having back issues.  My boy is an excellent masseur.  I offered him to go give her a masssage.  I asked him if he would mind (yes, asked).  He did not.  He made arrangements. 

If it was an act he enjoyed and I had little experience in, I would prefer to learn it myself and would go about doing so, possibly co topping with someone more experienced.  If it was an activity he enjoyed and I did not...maybe, maybe not.  Case by case basis but frankly, I can not think of one thing we are so at polar opposites about anyway.  If there was something like that, I doubt we'd be together because a significant need is not being met. 

If I was to loan him out, it would be with both of them knowing exactly what is and is not ok.  He also has every right (and responsibility) to decline anything he knew I would not like or he could not go through with. 

As far as loaning him to someone I knew he did not like, no way.  I could not do that to him.  Also, the odds of that happening where I had a level of trust and friendship with a person and he did not like them at all is so slim I can not really imagine it.  We met through friends and we run in the same circles.  Again, compatibility there.  But, given the possibility, no I would never loan him out to anyone with whom he'd feel uncomfortable for any reason.


I agree; I was a bit off in using the term 'casually' in such context.  I would never mind if my future Mistress were to ask me to help someone in a way that had nothing to do with my being rendered defenseless for a time without her presence, or in a sexual manner.  But helping out her friends move, etc., I'd be glad to help. *smiles*

Great post, I found myself agreeing to everything you've said.

-Einzelgänger




SunNMoon -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 3:26:01 PM)

nope he's mine. [:)]




Unrepentant1 -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 3:44:45 PM)

Why would you give away something you have waited so long to find?




kajirusilk -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 7:36:32 PM)

Wouldn't be prudent




Vendaval -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/4/2007 7:40:58 PM)

No, my boys are too valuable to me.




Wickad -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/5/2007 4:46:25 AM)

Gotta agree with MsKatHouston on this one.

Wickad




DiannaVesta -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/5/2007 5:10:16 AM)

I also agree with Kat. There are special circumstances where I would but not without a lot of consideration and ONLY with a very trusted Domina/friend. Sure I have guys I talk to on the phone, part time playmates I loan out all the time because they live in another state and its just not that serious. A personal slave/lover, my main squeeze lol- is MINE and that's how its going to stay.

Now if my slave wanted to attended a party and I just didn't want to go I MAY send him/her along with a very good dominant friend.




LadyIce -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/5/2007 7:33:33 AM)

Never, this sounds like something a man would say.
Does this also include sex with 2 women?
My submissive is allowed to "serve" my friends, drinks, food, etc.
That is as far as it would ever go.




Nikko1962 -> RE: Loaning out your sub (5/5/2007 10:23:45 AM)

Thanks everyone for the kind and thoughtful responses.  This was my first time to post a question and was a little nervous about it.




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