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abuse of nephew - 5/7/2007 1:30:04 AM   
mons


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greetings to all

i need advice and help sp badly. i had not seen my sister or her son for 25 years i was ill and things were so lost. i am so upset i am crying i foiund out that my sister abuse my nephew so much i can not even being to understand that pain and horroer is is going through. i talk to him tonight and the things she did i could not understand and she did say she did. he is mad so mad i told him he must understand what we when through.

my father was a monster. he would rape our mother infront of us so we could hear. he tried to kill her infront of us . and i mean we were right there. then he decide we had to many puppies and he made us watch as he drown them one by one/. this is not excuse for her doing what she did to him at all. i am so hurt he was just a child. my gulit is that i came to ca and i left the kids i was always the one who help them and made sure no even there mother hurt them now i am so torn up i feel like if i had been there i would had mever let this happen to him. i am crying so now oh what i am to do my heart is broken i was not there to make her stop and i would had i am the fighter in the famlimy i could knock someone out for her the kids but so did my other sister she beat the other child  a girl they are grown now i am just fidning out about this now. i need help on what to say to help him . what more can i do to help him to see how he needs to go one and forgive

it is a downward then pass on my father beat my sister whne she was on her period and blood was everywhere i was the only on who truly saw this and there was grown downstair they did not call the police back then when my mother report him for sexual abuse they believe him and he did do it. i live in horror os memories of my childhood that haunt me to this day but i and my twin didnot beat or mistreat our kids we show and learn. my sister is so sorry but the one thing my hephew told me was say would make him knell on grain of hard uncook rice for hours i am so sick of the thought of this i can not stop crying. she told my twin what she did. she is so sorry but he is mad. how do i get him to understnd and oh god move on. i will help him and? i will do all i can for him

i need to help so much i am crying and wondering how to heal my baby he is 32 now but he still remember.s

any and all advice is so needed i thank all of you

mons thank you
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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/7/2007 1:38:29 AM   
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The only thing I can suggest is that if your sister knows what she has done / is doing and is sorry about it, that you have your nephew move to live with you for a while, and in the interim your sister gets some help for her issues. He is clearly not safe where he is, and the alternative if the authorities find out about all this is going to be a lot worse for everyone.

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/7/2007 2:07:10 AM   
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Just as you were not responsible for your Father's actions, neither are you responsible for your sister's actions.  Abuse is such a cycle, and it is very difficult to break away.  However, having said that...your nephew is 32, he is most definitely a grown man.  If he were still a minor I would most certainly suggest intervening.  As an adult, he is responsible for his own recovery and healing.  Certainly you can be there to support him as best you can, but it is up to him to seek help and therapy.  Unless he is so psychologically damaged that he is non-functioning where you can seek help on his behalf, this is his to own.  As for your sister, admitting there's a problem is the first step...perhaps you can lead by example.  Finding assistance through counseling and/or a group setting for your own healing can often be the inspiration for others to start on their own path of recovery.

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/7/2007 6:51:17 AM   
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im not awake yet to digest the post. i sense alot of pain.

bad stuff goes on here too. the houses are norman rockwell- but behind some are bad things. i frankly was so shocked.

breath.  ill share a cup of coffee with you.

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/7/2007 7:03:29 PM   
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greeting to all of you

this has shocked me to my very soul but i understand what went wrong with her and she told us she did these things she is so broken and upset beyond what she can think of . he told me if he were a bad kid he would see here doing this, i told him no one is to be done like this. my father made all of us nuts he made sure we felt we were ugly and no good i am a gifted artist and so is his mother but by the time he had done with us we are all nuts . i talk with him a long time oh my heart is broken for him and her the pain she is going through knwoing she did this and then he hated her. i wonder what my brother could had been if my father had not malosted him and andmy fahter i find it so shocking and so horrible it goes beyond what i cab handle now . he is mad at her my our childhood was so bad thank you all i will pass along the thoguths you have given me to him and then take some for me he poisuib my dog and did ( my father things to animals i can no handle nor do i want to even say what i am take up for my sister but i try to let him see what ahorrble chidhood wiuld make this change a person let this

thank you so please keep giving me advice i am in shock
mons

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/7/2007 7:27:49 PM   
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As unwanted as this will be, the emotional scars from that kind of abuse will never heal.  They can lessen, with time, perhaps even to the point of your nephew maintaining a working relationship with his mother.  But it is doubtful.  The best advice I can give you is to give him time and do not give up on him.  Make sure he knows you're there for him.  Make sure he knows anytime he needs you, you'll be around.  Also, you will not be able to help him forgive his mother unless you forgive yourself.  Guilt is a tough thing to rid yourself of, no matter whether the blame is yours or not.  I would recommend trying as hard as you can to stop blaming yourself.

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/7/2007 9:54:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mons

greeting to all of you

this has shocked me to my very soul but i understand what went wrong with her and she told us she did these things she is so broken and upset beyond what she can think of . he told me if he were a bad kid he would see here doing this, i told him no one is to be done like this. my father made all of us nuts he made sure we felt we were ugly and no good i am a gifted artist and so is his mother but by the time he had done with us we are all nuts . i talk with him a long time oh my heart is broken for him and her the pain she is going through knwoing she did this and then he hated her. i wonder what my brother could had been if my father had not malosted him and andmy fahter i find it so shocking and so horrible it goes beyond what i cab handle now . he is mad at her my our childhood was so bad thank you all i will pass along the thoguths you have given me to him and then take some for me he poisuib my dog and did ( my father things to animals i can no handle nor do i want to even say what i am take up for my sister but i try to let him see what ahorrble chidhood wiuld make this change a person let this

thank you so please keep giving me advice i am in shock
mons


Hi, Mons,

I can't tell you what to do, nor how to do it.  One of the first things, though, is to acknowledge that your nephew's feelings are genuine, real, and valid.  That doesn't mean to make excuses or for you to take blame.  Take the time to listen to your nephew, share some of your own feelings with him, and above all keep the communication open.  I think that's the first move that will heal to whatever healing is possible.

In my family, there was denial, and insistance that the past is the past.  No one believed me about things that happened.  It took 50 years and the death of most of the family for some others in my generation to finally talk with one another, and then, after those 50 years, the healing started.  In the mean time, the family disintegrated, the religious and spiritual basis was turned against by all of us young ones, and most of us didn't associate much with the elder ones.  It is amazing what happens when elders protect themselves and each other with denial.  Maybe they forget for a time who will select the home in which they will live their last days and hours.  <shrug>

Divisiveness is built on people denying what happens, or denying that the emotions and perceptions are real.  First thing I had to learn is that feelings and emotions are real.  Second thing, and harder still, was to learn to accept them as real.  Just like you can't start healing a physical wound that is infected until you clean out the infected pus, you can't start healing hearts and souls without accepting first that there is a problem, and second listening and supporting while the conflicts are aired.

Listening will do the most healing.  In my family, that was the hardest to achieve.  No one listened. 

On the other hand, don't accept any abuse from anyone on the mistaken belief that it will help anyone.  Venting does not defuse or reduce the stress or the anger.  Sometimes the anger gets worse if venting happens.  What seems to help is to talk.  Remembering the pain, and accepting the pain, crying, wailing, hugging, comforting, all seem to work.  The anger, in my opinion, is a secondary emotion.  Anger defends against feeling weak.  Maybe that's the most important concept.  The idea is to provide for your nephew a place where he is accepted, heard, listened to, and safe.  Safe to be weak, if that's what it takes.  That means don't be trying to fix it with others.  Just let your nephew and you work together and with each other, listening to each other.  If you have to, and if you can, just make a safe relationship between your nephew and you.   

I'm rambling, and I've said my two cent's worth.  I hope it helps.  If it doesn't work, then try something else.  Above all, don't give up.  Keep listening and keep loving.  It is the only way I know of that breaks the cycle of breaking families apart.

Take good care of you!

Craftsman/

edited to add:  What I suggested for opening communication with your nephew might also work with others, if they can accept it.  The scars may not go away, but the pain might become a whole lot less if everyone gets honest and talks with each other.   That may not feel safe at first, but getting past the pointing of fingers to getting into the basics of, "it wouldn't hurt so damn bad if we didn't care and didn't love."  There is a lot of power in an honest, "I'm sorry" said to the right person at the right time.  You might want to encourage that to your sister to tell her son.  It won't undo the damage, but it might help the healing start.  Talking as a family might help too.  I think the bottom line is unclogging the communication lines in this kind of situation.  Then again, I am not part of your family.  I am only part of my own.  Like I said before, ignore stuff I tell you if it won't work for you, but please don't give up on yourself, your siblings, or your nephew.  Especially yourself. 

C/

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/7/2007 10:45:00 PM   
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Ho ho ho hold on there mons. There is not much guilt for you. You did not drown puppies.

Now I am an adult and I know that sometimes puppies must be drowned. I fully accept that, but you do not do it in front of the kids.

Your Parents had what he called sex in front of the kids ?

Oh boy.

That is heavy, I don't know if I could handle it, but always remember this, YOU DIDN'T DO IT.

You have to get off the guilt first, you didn't do it. Your life is yours now and you do not deserve guilt for things you did not do.

You are not at fault, that is the first thing to get into your head. Then, and only then can you work on healing.

You still don't drown pu[ppies in front of the kids, at least until they are partly grown up. Those puppies could've been the product of a vicious junkyard dog, and he was protecting you kids, but I can't say that, but I can say it was possible.

I still highly disagree with him doing it in front of the kids. How old were you at the time ?

As far as this raping your Mother thing, she was there the next day. Perhaps she liked it rough. C'mon look at some of the profiles. I am not saying it, but it is possible. Even if he dominated her like a dog, have a look at a few more profiles. To think that your Parents had no kinkyness in them is unreasonable.

Now how it affected the kids is a whole different story.

It is hard to read what you type, I would work on that. There are many good people here with insight and advice, but they (we) need to understand you better.

Help us help you, slow down, gather your thoughts. Focus. We'll be here.

T

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/8/2007 2:50:52 AM   
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greeting term

it was my father who rape my mother who made he have oral sex force and made us listen as she cchoke no she did no like it rough she was an abuse woman he cut he from the top of her stemun to her pevis she was screaming as he stab her in her forhead her head. now that is not liking it roguh please understand the differece of what is going on here in this fourm and crazy abuse, as for my father he made sure we had not food aand not clothes. myy mother was beaten down she did not have the srenght ot fight him off he my father was a big man my mother was 5'3. whne he drown the puppies he made sure we watch it was so horrble i do not rememer what happen after.

now my sister and her son my hear break so much i was the one who watch the kids i made she i was there to watch them i made sure they were protect from all thing but i came to ca to be with my twin. a bound that was o strong i could feel her calling me . my guilt leving the kids made me sikc now i feel the pain if i havd been them she would have not be going anything to him. she is so upset and know s what she did she is so sorry so hurt of what he did i am so shock and hurt / he has not began to tell me what she did he husd=band his father abuse her and then make  her walk in the cold of bacl east, he had told her i f she told anyone about him beating her he would kill the family. and he did stab a girl and hurt her bably but he got off. i wonder why she did this was it hate to wards the father , the abuse of my father , my father would do things as i said before to the dogs he had sex with them tthen he would shot them up with inslin, then he poision my boy i never go over it, i can not think of abuse in any form i htoguht i wanted to be a slave but i start to remember things. i am in therapy now i must talk with him again to reach him to let him know that this is a nightmare . he made my older sister his punching bag naked she wouldl ran but no where to go , she f=goes out out wiht menhwolook like my father. i told my nepwhew this and to let him know why his mother was the was she was , i made it a point not to be this way with my son i tried so hard. i wonder what i am i doto.

now term you did a bad thing my mother was raped by a man who broke into our place and raped my mother right 5 feet infront of this was not my father he was someone we know he did not care that we were stadninf there infront of . how could you said such a thing she my like is rough i was so shock to hear this i almost throwup. new assume such a cray thing again i can not stand the thought of a black man touching me at all this made my mind so sick he was like an animal it was so sick to watcj to this day i can nor stand the thought of a blaqck man touchng me but the strange thing is i did not remembee this for many year iwas an adult. if only the people know what they did to the childern i wonder if the would, my brother abuse me as a child and as a 20 year old  told myy sister and she has the nerve to say are you sureoh i am sure as the sun comes up each day. i never mention i t again .
the things that went on in our home makes it  a nightmare , i tried to poison him in a child way a small pill nnothing worht going anything ( i am sorry my handwriting is hard today more then ever =) he never broguth toys never let us ride dbikes i do this day have 500  dolles and two doll house i need toys and we dress so poor it was so funny. i am a very pretting woman my father told me when i was 20 i was pretty i need that when i was a child damnit . so many thing he did wake in the night to srceam at my mother she finally put thing agaisht the dirt to not let him in to rape her. i am so tired and so uset my sister is truly sorry for what she did she beat him in the face until is was so briused and swollen he would not go to school. she left him for week alone to be with a boyfriend. she sick wih horror at how she acted and she does not know why? i am so shock so grief stricken by how she acted, when we wanted him to come her my brother and she thouht sense we are women we would make him in a homosexaul LOL our son;s are ok and even if they were who the hell cares but i feel this pain if he had been with us what a change there would had bee a been no anngry no hurt not pain i would had love him so as i do now thank you for listening

thank you all again and term this is my mother we are speaking of respct is the key word her

mons ( thank you all for the great advice and heart felt thing

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/8/2007 9:54:18 PM   
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Tell you a couple of things. Revenge is best served cold. The fault also lies with other adults in the vicinity. What I would do is one thing. I would go into a biker bar and offer up a keg of beer, and a few other perks to make this guy miserable.

Now, you don't even have to do anything illegal. I do believe there is no longer a statute of limitations on sexual abuse in most states. A bunch of prison inmates will do the job for free, but you don't let them out, you let him in. That is where he belongs.

For the world to work, what goes around must come around for people. A guy like that needs consequences. That doesn't mean that in your own mind you don't forgive him, but that does not mean he should get off scot free.

YOU have to realize he is screwed up in the head. His incarceration might help you along.

YOU have to envision the past that made him that way. And you do this for yourself, not for him. If you can say that your problems are not all your fault, it follows that his problems might not be all his fault. This is very hard to accept, but it is crucial for you to be able to move on.

It doesn't matter though. Just as you are responsible for your actions now, he is for his then. In Termyworld he would be executed. It would be OK to be crazy, but when you do things like this you gottas go. Be excised from civilized society.

Even with these views I have, which most people do not share, it is your attitude that is at issue here. YOU need to get past this. It is not him being punished that'll do this for you. It is all you. It does not matter how egregious the crime, YOU only live once. Do not spend your life absorbed with rage, hate or grudges. It will kill you. Worse than normal life.

I am not a pro, but as a CM member I will be available to help others take the jouney I took. To get past one's past, faster than I did. I wasted alot of years. I couldn't just have a few drinks and have a good time, there had to be a conflict every time. This was coming from me. I was always vying for control, perhaps as a reaction to having so little control earlier.

I had to set myself down and think. No counsellor did it for me, none of them could understand. That is why  I bother to post this. They may be helping you, and that is fine, but not all of them are perfect. Not that I am, just what I am saying is I been through some shit. I have learned to forgive, and I did it without religion.

You go ahead and take in your nephew. But don't dwell about abuse, stress that 'we are outta there', and as you learn to get on with your life, teach him. That is what families are for. There are bound to be alot of issues raised, and listen, sometimes that is all it takes to move forward just a little bit.

There is a tactic called directed dreaming. In a way it could be said that it allows you to lie to yourself, and I can't really rebut that. But there are times when one simply needs a rest, and this creates a rest period for one's psyche. It is very hard to implement, you have to be strong, and really want it, and realize what it is. But realize that it is very difficult.

If you want to take a crack at it, I'll tell you how, but not right now.

While the memories are still there, you can live for a short time as if it never happened, but it is not as effective against a pattern of abuse. It is best if you can pick one incident, the ONE that was the most scary for you. If this abuse happened every day it might not do any good. If you want, if not, OK.

Be well, or in this case, get well. I mean that.

T

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RE: abuse of nephew - 5/11/2007 6:50:10 PM   
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Mons,
i am so sorry you had to endure so much and i understand how much it hurts.  You can't be responsible for it.

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