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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/17/2004 6:03:12 AM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		Sum interesting Opinions here

I will say that I do not use One Contract but Many types
to secure what I feel will be a Lifelong commitment of
a slave. Now lets see what this tidbit brings to bare.
~smiles~

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/20/2004 5:45:01 PM   
tomhealy


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Status: offline 		Well, I've always thought the way around the legality of it was to sign several legally binding contracts. Have the slave sign an employment contract or two as your servant/ personal assistant/ whatnot in exchange for your services as a personal trainer/ dietician/ personal motivator. Have stipulations in the contract that allow for discipline or punishments for failur on the slaves part. Also have the slave sign a lease agreeing to rent a room from you in exchange for performing household duties. Then have him/her sign a Durable Power of Attorney for both medical and financial reasons. Then just keep signing the new contracts for him/her as they come due.

Tom

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/20/2004 6:15:19 PM   
iwillserveu


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Status: offline 		Dread and Tom Healy,

if there is a stack of 100 contracts and the judge throws out the first ten, how likely is he to consider the next 90 without prejudice?

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/20/2004 9:13:25 PM   
rain


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quote:

I'm not ignoring anyone but I am busy being LadyBeckett's cyber slave.


Hallelujah!

Does Hallmark make greeting cards for this occasion?

~rain~

PS. LadyBeckett, i know i'm a sub, but i've got some great ideas for his punishment, if You're interested!

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/20/2004 9:55:34 PM   
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quote:

PS. LadyBeckett, i know i'm a sub, but i've got some great ideas for his punishment, if You're interested!


Rain, i bet you would love to see him drink urine.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/21/2004 3:33:03 PM   
iwillserveu


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I know how much it means to you. Why are you a new user again? Gee will you now be using ad hominem attacks on junior users too.

(Thjs is not spell checked because I don't respect rain that much.)

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/21/2004 3:41:19 PM   
iwillserveu


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Status: offline 		proudsub,

Kinda tough in cyber, though i'm sure she could find a way if she thought about it.

Speaking of that and contracts I'm going to put that as a sort of limit. If she would be too disgusted to kiss me then why would i do something that repulsed her?

Of course that is negotiable. Rose-colored glasses can blind one, sometimes.

Oh, cross-board talk, proudsub I will spell check for you because you are a nice HUMAN BEING.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/21/2004 6:51:42 PM   
tomhealy


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Status: offline 		If they are not against the public interest, and they are limited in scope and are of equitable interests, why would a judge throw them out? Contracts don't even have to be fair to be enforceable. As long as there is an offer, negotiation, consideration and acceptance (without coercion) most contracts will be upheld as long as there is nothing illegal or against the public interest. If the contract seems way too one-sided then yes a judge may throw it out; but if there are many contracts to make it seem to be more equal then each and every contract would have to be looked at at it's own face-value and not against the others. Granted one may get a judge would would throw out a few of them, but the odds of the jusge throwing out all of them is pretty slim.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/23/2004 2:04:16 PM   
iwillserveu


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Status: offline 		They are signed under duress. Even if they are not try explsaining the punishment for displeasing me, but not signing is OK to a judge.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 4/25/2004 10:36:15 AM   
LadyBeckett


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Status: offline 		Thanks be for your overactive fingers, dkitty, and welcome (by the way) .

I absolutely agree! I've come into the thread a bit late here, so I'm in agreement mode here, lol. While contracts may not be legally binding, they absolutely give us a point of reference within the relationship, and can be modified according to the relationship needs as it grows and changes.

I personally think they should always have a time limit, with renewal options, a termination clause, and penalties stated clearly.

I have a friend who uses contracts for nearly every relationship (not to include friendship, thankfully lol) but dating, marraige, etc.

The idea of the bottom drawing up the first draft is excellent! I've always begun with a basic format and tailored it to the relationship. Just recently I was presented with something similar to what you describe, and I was impressed. I'm seeing this as a good thing for all involved.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/3/2004 2:02:16 PM   
MistressDREAD


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actually tomhealy
I have had three
slaves contracts of
mine held up in court
against the slaves
families so you are
on target here as to
their legality if used
properly and with out
coercion and written right.
sorry My dear iwillserveu
but this time your thought
does not hold up to My
facts lived at the present.
Contracts can be legal.
Adding a touch more to
see what it brings befor
The bomb is dropped.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/3/2004 5:05:47 PM   
iwillserveu


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Status: offline 		Sorry Dread but you got lucky be the other guys having a lousy lawyer

quote:

acceptance (without coercion)


Proving the person you spank, set fire too, make eat shit, etc. accepted without will be very hard. If the opposing lawyer tries to attack it on other grounds he can be defeated.

"So," said the lawyer, "Mistress would punish you for not getting coffee the way she likes."

"Yes, and she would be right if this one was forgetful of a simple fact like that," said that one.
"If you disobeyed her what would she do?" asked the lawyer.

“It changes to suit her mood. She has discipline this one many various ways,” said that one.

“So she punishes you for all disobedience but not signing the contract is OK? Do you really expect the court to believe that?” says the lawyer. “No further questions your honor.”

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/3/2004 6:18:03 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		One time maybe
three times now
on seperate occations
by different Judges.
no luck there My dear!
Right is just Right ~~

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/4/2004 3:57:35 PM   
iwillserveu


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Status: offline 		If you got lucky three times then you got lucky three times. No court is ever going to say someone must clean the toilet with their tongue or lose thier residence. Yes, that is how a good attourney would frame it, truth be damned.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/4/2004 5:23:39 PM   
LadyBeckett


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quote:

ORIGINAL: rain

PS. LadyBeckett, i know i'm a sub, but i've got some great ideas for his punishment, if You're interested!


I am interested to know what you have in mind for the following remark, rain.

quote:

ORIGINAL: iwillserveu

(Thjs is not spell checked because I don't respect rain that much.)



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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/4/2004 11:57:42 PM   
MistressDREAD


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iwill serve u
stop putting your
assumptions in place
of My facts. you got
a judge to deem your
contract no good then
say so other wise dont
piss in My corn flakes.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/5/2004 3:18:38 PM   
iwillserveu


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quote:

(Thjs is not spell checked because I don't respect rain that much.)


rain,

I apologize sincerely for this comment.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/5/2004 3:34:51 PM   
MistressDREAD


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iwillserveu I am pleased.......
an you were not even trying
to please Me........HA!

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/10/2004 4:37:53 PM   
iwillserveu


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Status: offline 		Article XIII.
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
US Constitution

No “legal” contracts can be above the constitution. A person can be lucky, but eventually the law will win.

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RE: Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why... - 5/10/2004 4:45:41 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		I agree with iwill. Slavery is illegal in the USA. Unless you work for Wal-Mart apparently.

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