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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 9:25:14 AM

farglebargle

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"It certainly shows your inability to recognize that others may hold valid, if differing points of view, and beliefs from you without being evil, simple-minded, deranged, deceived or criminal."

That's funny, considering Rush Limbaugh publicly dismissed EVERYONE disagreeing with Bush's Policy as either "Crazy" or a Phony Republican, with nary a peep from Republicans denouncing him.

When you're throwing people out of your party for "Ideological Incompatibility" so as to retain some measure of unity, it's not the time to criticize anyone else, is it?

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 9:53:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

"It certainly shows your inability to recognize that others may hold valid, if differing points of view, and beliefs from you without being evil, simple-minded, deranged, deceived or criminal."

That's funny, considering Rush Limbaugh publicly dismissed EVERYONE disagreeing with Bush's Policy as either "Crazy" or a Phony Republican, with nary a peep from Republicans denouncing him.

When you're throwing people out of your party for "Ideological Incompatibility" so as to retain some measure of unity, it's not the time to criticize anyone else, is it?

You aren't much different FB. You are a one-trick-pony, intellectually and rhetorically speaking.

I'd challenge you to quote verbatim, in context, exactly what "Rush said".

Then we can talk about it.

Spewing something you kinda remember reading from a blog post by some half drunk, and psychologically challenged ideologically driven and blinded poster ... doesn't hold a lot of weight with me.

Firm

PS. Geee ... that's another post of yours that I've acknowledged recently.

Gotta get off this kick. It's kinda like trying to talk to butterflies. Nice, but - in the end - pointless.

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 10:01:58 AM

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Context? Here's the recording: http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/limbaugh-20070926-soldiers.mp3

LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?

LIMBAUGH: I'm fine sir, thank you.

CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?

LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of -- who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?

CALLER 1: I'm just -- I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public -- like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.

CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just -- sometimes you've got to cut the losses.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you -- you --

CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you're wrong.

... later ...

CALLER 1: How long is it gonna -- how long do you think we're going to have to be there for them to take care of that?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: How long -- you know -- what is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: What is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.

CALLER 1: I am.

LIMBAUGH: You are -- you are --

CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are --

CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat.

CALLER 1: No, but --

.... Later ....

CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.

.... Later, to the next caller ...

LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 11/6/2007 10:09:00 AM >

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 10:19:38 AM

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i love when rush says "AS LONG AS IT TAKES!"

and youre not listening to what i say-you cant possible be a republican!

i wonder if he would feel that way if his ass was fixin to be shipped over there. or his kids.....

just a note......a friends hubby is a colonel over there, and altho he wont discuss specifics about anything, when i asked him when in hell were we leaving, he said the plans now(which he is involved with to some extent), are for pull out in 2011ish....

im not going to do the math on how many more will die if that is true, but ill wager when ever we leave, things will go back to how they were before we got there......

im not as articulate (or rabid, depending on someones perception) as some of you when telling my feelings about this.....but my solution would be to leave, telling them fight amongst ya selves all you want to-harm one American and we will nuke your ass back to the stone age.....

i guess thats why a pre menopausal mom is not/never will be.... president.

< Message edited by SeeksOnlyOne -- 11/6/2007 10:58:08 AM >

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 10:32:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

i guess thats why a pre-menopausal mom is not / never will be) president.

That idea is SO SUBVERSIVE, that Sally Field got herself censored on TV for saying it.

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 10:56:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

quote:

ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

i guess thats why a pre-menopausal mom is not / never will be) president.

That idea is SO SUBVERSIVE, that Sally Field got herself censored on TV for saying it.

lawd-thank gawd for censors-like you-who so sweetly fixed my damn typo-lemme take care of that now

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 11:08:10 AM

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And once again KY can't answer any questions and just responds with insults and or picking off the weaklings.

I wonder, did you do that on the playground too?

So, do you want to play who is the bigger asshole (pretty sure I would win) or do you want to enter into an adult discussion?

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 11:15:45 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Context? Here's the recording: http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/limbaugh-20070926-soldiers.mp3

LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?

LIMBAUGH: I'm fine sir, thank you.

CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?

LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of -- who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?

CALLER 1: I'm just -- I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public -- like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.

CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just -- sometimes you've got to cut the losses.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you -- you --

CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you're wrong.

... later ...

CALLER 1: How long is it gonna -- how long do you think we're going to have to be there for them to take care of that?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: How long -- you know -- what is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: What is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.

CALLER 1: I am.

LIMBAUGH: You are -- you are --

CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are --

CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat.

CALLER 1: No, but --

.... Later ....

CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.

.... Later, to the next caller ...

LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

Oh, man.

I listened to the mp3 file, while reading what you posted as "what Rush said".

They are similiar, but not the same.

Additionally, your specific quote of his words (well, Media Matters "quote") is definitely out of context, just as his "phony soldiers" comments were (which are also on the mp3 file).

Overall, it's part of a continuing attempt by an ideologically bankrupt political movement to fabricate "news" and "incidents" in order to discredit opponents when it can not do so with logic or reason.

Firm

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 11:21:47 AM

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And once again KY can't answer any questions and just responds with insults and or picking off the weaklings.

I wonder, did you do that on the playground too?

So, do you want to play who is the bigger asshole (pretty sure I would win) or do you want to enter into an adult discussion?

So ... who are the "weaklings" that you have identified? Synergy? Or Fargle?

SM, you do not have the ability to hold an adult conversation for more than a single "post". I do not find you "strong" as opposed to the posters you have identified as "weaklings". I find you simply emotionally driven, abrasive without reason, and of doubtful mental acuity.

Entering into any kind of discussion with you with expectations of finding common ground, education or understanding is a job for a masochist ... which I'm not.

But there are plenty around here, so I don't think you'll ever lack for verbal companionship.

Go for it. Just don't expect your baiting of me to be very successful.

Firm.

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 11:39:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

"It certainly shows your inability to recognize that others may hold valid, if differing points of view, and beliefs from you without being evil, simple-minded, deranged, deceived or criminal."

That's funny, considering Rush Limbaugh publicly dismissed EVERYONE disagreeing with Bush's Policy as either "Crazy" or a Phony Republican, with nary a peep from Republicans denouncing him.

When you're throwing people out of your party for "Ideological Incompatibility" so as to retain some measure of unity, it's not the time to criticize anyone else, is it?

Here we go again.
Someone should inform Rush Limbaugh that Bush is neither Conservative nor Republican.

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 12:20:50 PM

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Someone should inform Rush Limbaugh that Bush is neither Conservative nor Republican.

On the Colbert Report, Bush's job was described as "International Burnt Effigy Model."

Kinda says it all, really.

Sinergy

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 12:32:34 PM

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It must really be sticking in your craw, when the news from Iraq seems to be turning around, huh?

Talk about rivers in Egypt ...

Firm

So your idea of "turning around" is synonymous with most deaths for US soldiers, not accompanied by any rational milestone for success.

Thanks for clarifying.

Sinergy

p.s. The link was in my post. Please read it.

p.p.s. As I have pointed out to you numerous times, the name is spelled Sinergy, not Synergy. I am not sure this is indicative of a reading comprehension issue, but I gave you some links a few months ago for places that might help.

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 1:03:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Sinergy

1. The link was in my post. Please read it.

2. As I have pointed out to you numerous times, the name is spelled Sinergy, not Synergy. I am not sure this is indicative of a reading comprehension issue, but I gave you some links a few months ago for places that might help.

1. The only link in your post was to a Yahoo news story. There was nothing and no link to support your specious accusation that "Earlier in this thread, FirmHandKY posted that he wanted to give the surge the opportunity to work, but never responded after he was questioned about what "working" meant." - which is what I was asking for.

Please read for comprehension. It will make any discussion so much more fufilling for you, and may allow you to appear more intelligent.

2. Hmmm, "numerous times"? Please define and source more than one other time that you have "corrected" my spelling of your CM nick.

Like much we end up "discussing", your definition of words and reality do not seem to match mine.

But ... what the hey ... welcome back, and congrats on your sub. Seriously.

Firm

< Message edited by FirmhandKY -- 11/6/2007 1:14:36 PM >

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 1:27:30 PM

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1. The only link in your post was to a Yahoo news story. There was nothing and no link to support your specious accusation that "Earlier in this thread, FirmHandKY posted that he wanted to give the surge the opportunity to work, but never responded after he was questioned about what "working" meant." - which is what I was asking for.

I usually find it important to remember what I write before going on full-out attack against somebody, especially somebody whose name I cannot even spell correctly after reading and quoting their post.

Although you still have not clarified how difficulties in performing computer modelling studies relates to the loss of 36 cubic miles of lost ice mass in Antarctica on another thread, so I do not have much faith that you will intelligently respond to my many postings, references, and comments that almost everything done in Iraq is a complete and wasteful failure.

Furthermore, this failure was perpetrated on the world by a group of intellectually challenged, criminally and morally bankrupt, and unschooled dimwits. Dimwits elected under dubious and possibly illegal circumstances by a group of supporters. Supporters who have spent six years trying to convince themselves and the American public that the colossal fuck up was the responsibility of the "liberal press."

I will concede that you have never once supported the Iraq debacle or AnencephalyBoy's administration in any way, shape, or form.

Peace out.

Sinergy

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 1:46:24 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

1. The only link in your post was to a Yahoo news story. There was nothing and no link to support your specious accusation that "Earlier in this thread, FirmHandKY posted that he wanted to give the surge the opportunity to work, but never responded after he was questioned about what "working" meant." - which is what I was asking for.

I usually find it important to remember what I write before going on full-out attack against somebody, especially somebody whose name I cannot even spell correctly after reading and quoting their post.

Although you still have not clarified how difficulties in performing computer modelling studies relates to the loss of 36 cubic miles of lost ice mass in Antarctica on another thread, so I do not have much faith that you will intelligently respond to my many postings, references, and comments that almost everything done in Iraq is a complete and wasteful failure.

Furthermore, this failure was perpetrated on the world by a group of intellectually challenged, criminally and morally bankrupt, and unschooled dimwits. Dimwits elected under dubious and possibly illegal circumstances by a group of supporters. Supporters who have spent six years trying to convince themselves and the American public that the colossal fuck up was the responsibility of the "liberal press."

I will concede that you have never once supported the Iraq debacle or AnencephalyBoy's administration in any way, shape, or form.

Peace out.

Sinergy

In other words, since you can't actually find the statements you claim I made .... you dissemble, change the topic, and shift blame?

Got it.

You so funny!

Firm

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 3:11:19 PM

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Yawn.

Fish. Barrel. Bang.

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The Anbar Province is a very good example of the success so far of the new strategy.

www.dictionary.com words like "success" and "new" and "strategy" in case you are unclear as to what you meant when you typed this sentence.

I could find more but I am still waiting for your erudite analysis about the 36 cubic miles of lost ice mass in Antarctica.

Sinergy

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 3:27:08 PM

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This post of yours .....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Yawn.

Fish. Barrel. Bang.

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

The Anbar Province is a very good example of the success so far of the new strategy.

www.dictionary.com words like "success" and "new" and "strategy" in case you are unclear as to what you meant when you typed this sentence.

I could find more but I am still waiting for your erudite analysis about the 36 cubic miles of lost ice mass in Antarctica.

Sinergy

... and your original claim ....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Earlier in this thread, FirmHandKY posted that he wanted to give the surge the opportunity to work, but never responded after he was questioned about what "working" meant."

... simply do not compute, or connect, except in your twisted, illogical and faulty reasoning processes.

Post. Synergy. Bang.

*Yawn*

Firm

PS. Careful Sinergy, or you'll end up on my "FB and SM" list. Then, even digging up month old threads, and rooting around at random trying to cause an argument won't get you much of the attention you so obviously crave from me.

kissy, kissy.

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 3:40:39 PM

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Overall, it's part of a continuing attempt by an ideologically bankrupt political movement to fabricate "news" and "incidents" in order to discredit opponents when it can not do so with logic or reason.

Firm

Oh, so you're saying the DNC is using Rush throwing Republicans out of the Party for Impermissable Political Thought to score points? That's reaching pretty far.

I don't know what part of "You can't possibly be a Republican" is out-of-context. Seems clear enough to me.

Rush is doing for the RNC what the Neocons did to the Real Cons. Preserving Party Unity by throwing out all the people who don't agree with The Party Line.

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 11/6/2007 3:41:02 PM >

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 4:19:31 PM

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FB,

Since I know:

1. You really don't care what was said, as long as you can make political hay out of it, and

2. You are impervious to any kind of calm, rational discussion,

.. therefore ...

I shall return you to your normal place of honor in my "patheon of ignoble ignorable posters".

Tschüss,

Firm

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RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question - 11/6/2007 4:20:56 PM

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1. You really don't care what was said

Yeah, that's why I posted the RECORDING ITSELF. Because I don't care about the actual conversation.

DUHHHHH!

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