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meatcleaver -> RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question (11/9/2007 12:10:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Firmhand, I'm curious here: what is the prize for the winner?


Life



I'll say one thing for your answer: it was unexpected.

Any chance you can put some meat on the bones though? It seems to me that 300 million Americans are reasonably safe.....and there's something Hitleresque about this clash of cultures.


You can break it down and parse it in a lot of different ways, but at the end of the day, it ends up about which culture, which people, which humans manage to succeed, reproduce and inherit the future. 

That's "Life".

We can talk micro if you wish, which is where you'll no doubt disagree, but the answer is valid in just about every level, I think.

Firm



That is such an absurd, disingenuous and neanderthal answer. There was never that choice to be made. Greed, exploitation and subjugation took the US and its allies into Iraq. Iraq was never a threat of any sort to the west. It was no more (and this is an exaggeration) irritating than gnats in summer.



luckydog1 -> RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question (11/9/2007 12:51:05 AM)

Ok farg you got me, there is a Conservative Party of new York.  What would that have to do with frum?  The CPNY features newt Gingrich adn Fred Thompson on thier home page.  Are you pretending you used to support Newt, untill 03?



philosophy -> RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question (11/9/2007 9:32:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


You can break it down and parse it in a lot of different ways, but at the end of the day, it ends up about which culture, which people, which humans manage to succeed, reproduce and inherit the future. 



....i wonder if this is another sort of time where we agree? The only analysis of the current War on Terror that seems to have the slightest validity to me is the idea that it is, in reality, a form of cultural war. Specifically that part of a culture that creates societal change........can society be changed by a democratic process or can it be changed by an idiot with a bomb strapped to their chest? Which idea wins? Which idea has the most profound change? Which system do we allow to flower?



Sinergy -> RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question (2/15/2008 6:36:47 PM)


I have been away from the boards for a few months.  Would somebody mind letting me know what thread FirmhandKY answered my question about how the surge in Iraq is working out for the neo-cons?

Sinergy



farglebargle -> RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question (2/15/2008 6:49:31 PM)

We both ended up getting modded for 2 weeks.




mnottertail -> RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question (2/15/2008 6:57:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


I have been away from the boards for a few months.  Would somebody mind letting me know what thread FirmhandKY answered my question about how the surge in Iraq is working out for the neo-cons?

Sinergy



The short shrift as I see it, is that the losers are going to walk away with a massive win and in the not to distant future, flush the goddamn toilet.

Thos. Crapper 



Sinergy -> RE: The "New Way Forward in Iraq" - Question (2/15/2008 7:10:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

We both ended up getting modded for 2 weeks.




Oh.  My bad.

I am reading an interesting book called the Shia Revival.  I can find the author if anybody is interested, but he is a professor of Middle East Studies at UCSD or somewhere south of me.

I had always been puzzled because my professor of middle east studies described the Sunni muslims as being the nice ones, and the Shia as being the nasty, bad Muslims.  This failed to jibe with what I was reading about the situations in the middle east.  According to this guy, the Shia tend to be more willing to compromise, bring in external belief systems, consider alternatives, than the Sunni.  According to this book, the problem in the Middle East (he was specific about that, the problem where most of the Sunni live (Indonesia) have different dynamics) is that the Sunni are a bunch of bullying and intolerant thugs going back thousands of years.

When viewing the Sunni (e.g. Saddam, Saudi Arabia, Yemen) in countries where they have a plurality, one sees countires that rule their populations with an iron fist, and the followers of Shi'ism are suppressed.

Sinergy



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