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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 10:49:23 AM   
tinkJH


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I have tried to find some sort of link - but all I keep coming up with is lists of cosmetic procedures. I have no actual written documentation to hold up what I have said, so the only thing that could be done is to have a cosmetic surgeon place their definition down here, or it will take time to go ask many surgeons and run some sort of census ourselves. I know I have been explained to quite a few times (once by a surgeon, once by a reconstruction surgeon/mortician) what is considered cosmetic surgery, as well as watching documentries on such. If you google for lists, it will show some surgeries do consider such things part of their cosmetic surgery lists - simple things like chemical peals and nail extensions - dermabrasion and all part of the cosmetic service they provide. Some do, some don't. Personally I follow the definition of cosmetic surgery, which is that it is something that is done to improve the appearence of the body with or without anaesthesia. It is also elective.
If you google for plastic surgeons who do these procedures. Even procedures like teeth whitening or dyeing of pigments by injection(like eye, brow,lip etc) are considered as a form of cosmetic surgery. Cosmetic surgery is also not a permenant procedure and can last from a few weeks to many years.

Again, cosmetic surgery is not in the same vein as plastic surgery, which is modification that is not always elective(by definition) - and also plastic surgery has a higher rate of permenance.(Soory, I am tired and my spelling sux tonight)

Hope that helps sfgrrl

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Hrm... Wouldnt Manicures, extentions.. ect fall more under a Cosmetic Procedure, as they really do not fit the definition of a surgery?

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 12:18:40 PM   
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I think, I would still consider it such, simply because that is what I have been informed by professionals. To define surgery, you have to realise that surgery isn't all big gapping wounds, cuts and stitches - surgery is a branch of medicine concerned with the treatment of disease, injury, and deformity by operation or manipulation - so form a technical point of view, extensions are manipulation. Lazer surgery and using sound waves to break down kidney stones isn't an operation, but still defined as surgery.

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 12:58:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		i actually talked to MAster about a breast lift.. I am 45 and after 4 children they do not stand like they did at 20 (lol) I was told in no uncertain terms i had better not touch a thing on this body. He will not even allow me to lose weight so i guess He's stuck with the way i am.( apparently He likes it so i'm happy also

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 2:45:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't have cosmetic surgey for any one, let alone decide to do it for myself. I am very proud to say I am 100 percent natural. Not a thing on me has been surgically touched. prolly nor will ever be.



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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 3:51:17 PM   
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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 4:01:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm curious why "being natural" is something to be more proud over than having surgery? After all if it's natural, than it's just random genetic coding that did it, nothing on the person's part.

I am also curious why it's such a big deal that one's master likes their slave "just as they are"?

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 6:19:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

I'm curious why "being natural" is something to be more proud over than having surgery? After all if it's natural, than it's just random genetic coding that did it, nothing on the person's part.

I am also curious why it's such a big deal that one's master likes their slave "just as they are"?



Because people are vain? They see themselves as being "better" then someone that has surgery? I don't know.

I love who I am, I love every little inch of me and none of it I want to change. Whether anyone else things I am hot, cute, sexy.. I don't care. My mother taught me to find the beauty inside of me, and that the beauty on the outside will show. I have. I grew up a rather ugly duckling. I have natural beauty - do I look down on anyone that wants cosmetic surgery to feel or look more beautiful? Not at all.

The only people I need to look beautiful for are myself, and Master. Why would I want a Master who wouldnt accept me for who I am naturally? A Master who thought I "needed cosmetic improvment" to please him? Why bother with being with him at all then? If it was something I wanted mutually. Okay, no problem. But Why would I bother to be in the collar of someone that would say "Hrm, Your nose could be straighter" or "C cup just wont do it, you need to go to a DD."

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 6:33:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tinkJH
Why would I want a Master who wouldnt accept me for who I am naturally? A Master who thought I "needed cosmetic improvment" to please him? Why bother with being with him at all then? If it was something I wanted mutually. Okay, no problem. But Why would I bother to be in the collar of someone that would say "Hrm, Your nose could be straighter" or "C cup just wont do it, you need to go to a DD."

Don't we all feel we need some improvement in our lives? Don't we get into relationships because we feel they will improve our lives and be more fulfilling than if we were single? THat's not to say we aren't happy and fulfilled as we are, single people SHOULD be happy and fulfilled.

But we do desire to change, to improve, and as submissive we want to do so in the way that our dominants choose to make them happy.

Whether its clothes, make up, plucking, coloring, snipping, piercing, tattooing or permanent surgery, we all choose to try and enhance our "natural" selves.

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 6:45:04 PM   
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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 7:03:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Superman42280


Who here has had cosmetic surgery to please their Master? These include but are not limited to breast implants, face lifts, liposuction, etc

Superman



I would love to have a little bit more of breasts, but he says I'm ok this way, he loves them and that if I do so, I will loose my "twelve year old" looks.

Now, if there was a safe surgery to make me at least 5 inches taller, I would have it in a heart beat. A magic pocion or fairy dust would be better though.

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 7:11:41 PM   
tinkJH


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Don't we all feel we need some improvement in our lives? Don't we get into relationships because we feel they will improve our lives and be more fulfilling than if we were single? THat's not to say we aren't happy and fulfilled as we are, single people SHOULD be happy and fulfilled.

But we do desire to change, to improve, and as submissive we want to do so in the way that our dominants choose to make them happy.

Whether its clothes, make up, plucking, coloring, snipping, piercing, tattooing or permanent surgery, we all choose to try and enhance our "natural" selves.


Oh yes, of course, I agree. Everyone seeks improovment in their lifes, no matter their lifestyle. But, this was a question on the basis of cosmetic/plastic surgery, which is where my answer lies. To me, there is a different in enhancing and accenting natural beauty or your natural self - and going under a knife or evasive procedure.


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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 7/31/2005 7:17:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tinkJH
Oh yes, of course, I agree. Everyone seeks improovment in their lifes, no matter their lifestyle. But, this was a question on the basis of cosmetic/plastic surgery, which is where my answer lies. To me, there is a different in enhancing and accenting natural beauty or your natural self - and going under a knife or evasive procedure.


What's the difference?

What about a woman who had breast cancer and had to have their breasts removed? What if someone had a really bad scar on their face? What if someone had children and wanted to reduce the signs and effects on their body? WHat if someone lost tons of weight and wanted to remove the excess skin?

What's the difference between coloring hair and implanting saline in a body except that one is more permanent and riskier than the other?

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 8/8/2005 4:33:53 AM   
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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 8/8/2005 7:52:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't had any plastic surgery, and seriously doubt that I would do so to please anyone but myself. Both of my Masters say they are content, and that is nice, but more importantly, I am content. And since I am the one who has to live in this body, my opinion in this matter carries more weight than theirs.

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 8/8/2005 2:43:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have had some cosmetic procedures done..When I was 17, I was in a bad car accident and went through the windshield. Half of my nose was split off. I had it rebuilt. Then at 31, I had breast cancer. At my doctors suggestion, due to my young age, I had a double mastectomy and had implants put in. Two years ago, it was time to have them replaced. I did and they are even better than the previous ones. Goes to show you that time improves all, especially me!

If I could, and maybe one day I will, I want liposuction. I need nothing else. Having lost weight, it would be the last vestages of the areas that I can't seem to lose.

Respectfully,
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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 8/8/2005 4:37:04 PM   
nella


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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 8/8/2005 4:37:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there is some blurring of lines between 'Improving oneself" and 'insecurity'. A lot of people believe that to be truly happy with yourself it means you accept and embrace everything about you, whether or not it's 'perfect'. So many times I've heard someone say 'I'd be so much happier if I could change X'. But the crux of the happiness doesn't lie within themselves, it's in how they think other people think they look.

To me there seem to be three distinct camps on elective physical enhancement and plastic surgery.

Camp one says that if you truly love yourself, you wouldn't want to change a thing; the random genetics, if you will, are what make you unique - embrace it. This camp may have a hard time understanding Camp Three, but have a lot in common with Camp Two, since they may have belonged at one point or another.

Camp Two is probably the group that Camp One is worried about, because they tend to want these improvements to impress others, due to personal insecurity. Trying to please others (outside of a BDSM context of course) is not a good reason to do much of anything.

Camp Three consists of people who have surpassed Camp One in personal security and confidence, to the point of vanity, although that's not a bad thing. Camp Three loves who they are so much, they can't wait to make themselves even BETTER. They couldn't care less about what other people think about them, as long as they like what they see when they look at themselves in the mirror, they're happy.

Of course there are people who don't fit exactly into either. I have a lot more self confidence than some other people I know, yet I'm not completely happy with how I look. I have toyed with the idea of plastic surgery but would probably never do it because the risks for me far outweigh the benefits, long term.

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 8/8/2005 4:44:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		This isn't a reply to you, sultry...I just hit Fast Reply.

I'm just curious and have a question for those of you who have been told that you are "perfect" just the way you are. (Not those of you who believe you already are perfect...lol) If you are beloved by your Master, regardless of whether or not he felt you might stand some improvement, do you think he would say to you..."yes girl, you should have plastic surgery because those boobs are really starting to sag a bit", or is he more likely to respond based upon a sensitivity to your feelings...i.e. "you are perfect and I love you just the way you are"?

It is my opinion that loving someone and not wanting to hurt their feelings by saying so does not mean that they may not find one even *more* desirable if their boobs didn't hang to their knees or their belly did not lap over their belt. Someone commented that they wouldn't be with their Master if he wanted to change anything about them. Well gee...do you really think he would tell you he wanted to change something???

I am just astounded at the self-deception we can practice because we *want* our respective Masters to really feel we are perfect just the way we are and because they are sensitive enough not to tell us we actually aren't physically perfect (do you know how few people in this world are based upon anyone's standards???). Self-deception is something I try really hard to stay away from. I can look in the mirror and see for myself what my various body parts look like.

Someone telling me that the world is flat isn't going to make it so.

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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 8/8/2005 5:09:01 PM   
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RE: Cosmetic Surgery. - 8/8/2005 5:18:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		well i am overweight and My late Master wanted me to losw it he said i love you anyway he wanted me to lose it cause i was very sensttive abut my weight. Some Master do love their girs just the way they are it is not alwys self deception.

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