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TermsConditions -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/8/2008 6:03:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: TermsConditions

I'd push this question further and maybe it should be another thread...but is there such a thing an an "Inherently Submissive" act?



Yes Terms, its called "Washing the dishes"  [8D]


Touché PoliteSub53!
 
Though some of the ladies scare me in any case. [;)] If I imagine Akasha with the heavy yellow rubber gloves coming at me with a pan full of warm soapy dishwater...maybe with one of those plastic scrubby pads on a stick. Or a brillo! [:o] 
 
[:D]



ShaktiSama -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/8/2008 7:23:38 PM)

Lol...as if AAkasha would touch dishwater!



AquaticSub -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/8/2008 7:30:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

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ORIGINAL: Silverbunny
can a woman get penetrated and still be Dominant in that act?

Yes.
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  If so, how?

Because I say so.

Master Fire



*grins* I swear I love you...



MsStarlett -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/8/2008 7:51:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yes Terms, its called "Washing the dishes"  [8D]


Oh Baby!  How far are you from me???



ElanSubdued -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/8/2008 11:24:57 PM)

Aidan,

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Fact is, it's all in how ya do it.

Her being pushed up against a wall while he snarls mean things to her and hits her and tweaks her nipples: probably dominant penetration.

Him being straddled while she slaps him, tugs his hair and calls him nasty names when he cries: probably submissive penetration.

Yay for subjective interpretations of objective experience!


Just to add contrast to your thoughts, I've met a few Dominas who like it when their submissive slams them up against a wall, "tweaks" their nipples, and penetrates them.  These women "want" so they get what they want.  In other words, I totally agree with you.  Yay for subjective interpretations of objective experience indeed. :-)

Elan.



ElanSubdued -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/8/2008 11:38:55 PM)

hands0n0knees,

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That was extremely succinct.  You're lucky I didn't add footnotes.  I would have done, but my wheelbarrow was due back at the library.

I actually find obscurantist terrorism very comforting, and I practise it whenever I can.  It would be like leaving the womb again if I took your advice.  So I will say good day, sir.


Actually, footnotes would be rather dandy.  Regarding "obscurantist terrorism", good Lord I never said anything of the sort! :-)  I'm a big fan of sharing knowledge and increasing one's understanding of the world.  Wordsmithing, in particular, is a "fetish" of mine.  All I was pointing out is that if you think Shakti's hot, using plain, simple English might be more effective in communicating this particular message.  In other words, I'm insinuating that your wordplay is a clever compliment, but sometimes compliments don't need to be clever to be heartfelt.

Elan.



LadyJeelys -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 4:21:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chezzy71

I would be shocked if any Domina actually enjoyed the missionary position....or doggie style for that matter although that can be fun...it is not a pre-conceived notion either..a Domina belongs on top..that's my story and i am sticking to it.



Uh, yeah sure....not to be all personal, but if you're shocked a Domme would enjoy it, you've been doing it wrong. Cause like, wow, yummm, and oh yeah, missionary can just knock your socks off!



TermsConditions -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 5:04:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

Lol...as if AAkasha would touch dishwater!


So now imagine a Domme pouring dishwater into a funnel gag or a enema bag because that sub had suggested she clean up the kitchen.

And don't forget the scrubby thing on a stick! One side spongy; the other side bristley. It can give pain or it can give pleasure. [:o]

That's what imaginations are for! [:D]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 5:35:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantJenny

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ORIGINAL: chezzy71

I would be shocked if any Domina actually enjoyed the missionary position....or doggie style for that matter although that can be fun...it is not a pre-conceived notion either..a Domina belongs on top..that's my story and i am sticking to it.


Not that you haven't already been shocked out of your socks by now, but I generally prefer the missionary position. Why? Excuse me, but I get to lay back and enjoy while he does all the work. Works for me.
Of course, I end up making him do the work when I'm on top, too, because I have good-for-nothing knees, but it's less comfortable, generally.


QFE!

Francine, seriously lazy slut

ps--that up against the wall thing?  count me in! 



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 5:38:37 AM)

Before I forget-
Chezzy, Doggy style when the boy is wearing a leash and collar and being tugged on to speed up or sow down is VERY enjoyable. Missionary can be too, back scratching while you are having sex has its own allures. I dont buy that there is a dominant or submisive position, either. The way I do it, no matter where I am, I am still quite in control.

DV



Madame4a -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 5:44:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Vestonika

domme's who let males fuck them...?

that's not a domme that's a self-indulgent weak bitch.


and you too need to get out more...



nameonhold -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 5:56:11 AM)

With the amount of time I have sent chastized, with the amount of control there has otherwise been over my cock, with the absolute control there has been over my ejaculations, with the direction as to how and when I use my cock to pleasure her, I simply refuse to believe that penetration is inherently submissive.



shaved1NH -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 7:02:37 AM)

i totally agree.   as a sub, when i am in a situation with a Dom/Domme and they are in charge....... it doesnt matter if i am being penetrated or doing the penetrating (esp with women)... what matters is who is actually in control!




OnlyMels -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 7:14:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TermsConditions

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

Lol...as if AAkasha would touch dishwater!


So now imagine a Domme pouring dishwater into a funnel gag or a enema bag because that sub had suggested she clean up the kitchen.

And don't forget the scrubby thing on a stick! One side spongy; the other side bristley. It can give pain or it can give pleasure. [:o]

That's what imaginations are for! [:D]




Lets hope this stays in the imagination to. That would probably make someone very sick.



ShaktiSama -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 7:15:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued
Just to add contrast to your thoughts, I've met a few Dominas who like it when their submissive slams them up against a wall, "tweaks" their nipples, and penetrates them. 


There are male and female dominants who like it when their partners "fight back" vigorously too, or so I'm told.  It's the sexual equivalent of being allowed to throw your best strike at your sensei, in the martial arts.  There's a special terror that comes from taking your best shot and seeing it absorbed without a ripple.

This being said, it seems like you have a tendency to attract masochistic/switchy dominae, and it seems to me that what you're talking about here is a woman who is dominant in the overarching relationship, but occasionally takes a GENUINELY submissive role in the bedroom. There's nothing wrong with that, and a lot of women do it, but the kind of "meta-dominance" that's involved when a woman occasionally enjoys an act that really IS submissive--like being topped in the above fashion, or the "crawling to you" stuff you've mentioned previously--is really not what's being discussed here.

This discussion is about whether a person can "top" at all, while being penetrated.  I would say--definitely.  And anyone who has not experienced this, and needs proof that it can be done, needs to go rent "Last Tango in Paris".

Marlon Brando is completely in control of a fairly extreme D/S relationship in that film, and there is most definitely a scene in which he forces his lover to penetrate him.  He is in command the entire time, and SHE is the one being humiliated and abused, regardless of who is sticking what in whose body for the sake of obedience. 



hands0n0knees -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 7:30:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

Actually, footnotes would be rather dandy.  Regarding "obscurantist terrorism", good Lord I never said anything of the sort! :-)  I'm a big fan of sharing knowledge and increasing one's understanding of the world.  Wordsmithing, in particular, is a "fetish" of mine.  All I was pointing out is that if you think Shakti's hot, using plain, simple English might be more effective in communicating this particular message.  In other words, I'm insinuating that your wordplay is a clever compliment, but sometimes compliments don't need to be clever to be heartfelt.

Elan.


Thank you for your concern, but I will never be drawn into making a clear and intelligible statement on any matter.  I could very well lose my funding. 

Ok, seeing as you are so friendly and erudite about it, I will go as far as to say that if we can take Heidegger's critique of Husserl's phenomenology as axiomatic (and we interpret all post-Nietzschean decisions as essentially aesthetically founded artistic expressions, but that should be a given by now), we can model Ms Shakti's hotness as a manifold with spatially relational dynamics of power and so approach the tentative assertion that the discursive 'space' needed in order to 'declare' her 'hot' operates 'in' the a fashion transgressive of that most barbaric and shocking of all hegemonies, metaphysical binarism.  But, of course, more work needs to be done in this vitally important field before it would be responsible to go any further.





ShaktiSama -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 7:51:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hands0n0knees
we can model Ms Shakti's hotness as a manifold with spatially relational dynamics of power and so approach the tentative assertion that the discursive 'space' needed in order to 'declare' her 'hot' operates 'in' the a fashion transgressive of that most barbaric and shocking of all hegemonies, metaphysical binarism. 


*purrs*  Yessss, "Hot or Not" is truly the eternal question of axiology.  It's so fun to tease aborecent boys.  Wind them up far enough, you can get Plato to punch Epicurus right in the face... and have Epicurus say "Thank you, may I have another."



Madame4a -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 8:03:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

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ORIGINAL: Vestonika

domme's who let males fuck them...?

that's not a domme that's a self-indulgent weak bitch.

Self indulgent, hell yeah... its one of the perks of being a DOMME!

Just becasue you are a lesbian doesnt mean those of us who enjoy males are weak. It means we enjoy what we enjoy.
You'll get over yourself soon enough, I am sure.

Personally, I think any Dominant who limits themseves by what someone else says they should or shouldnt do is weak... but thats my opinion. The whole reason for being the Dominant party is becasue you enjoy being the one who is in charge, not taking orders.

DV



I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest this really doesn't have much to do with her being a lesbian...

and as a quick aside.. I just realized I became perverted.. [:D]



RedMagic1 -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 8:25:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hands0n0knees
I will never be drawn into making a clear and intelligible statement on any matter. 

Using only big words is a more severe vocabulary limitation than using only small words.  Small words can combine into salty expressions that are more evocative -- and FUN -- than big words.  Powerful communicators use the right word at the right time, not the "impressive" word all the time.



Leatherist -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 8:54:24 AM)

Inherenty submissive?
 
Let's try this scenario with a happy couple. The woman has been torturing him for a few hours already. His ass is welted from his tailbone down to mid thighs. She binds him on his back and teases him, after shoving a really uncomfortable plug up his ass.. He gets hard from the prostate stimulation. She mounts him and grinds down hard-this makes his welts burn even more fiercely. She tuants him while she takes her time, squeezing him just enough to keep him hard inside of her-being selfish.. She gets off several times and dismounts-he still hasn't orgasmed-and he won't. Not this time.
 
Yup ,that's pretty submissive of her.
 



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