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Madame4a -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 9:03:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Inherenty submissive?
 
Let's try this scenario with a happy couple. The woman has been torturing him for a few hours already. His ass is welted from his tailbone down to mid thighs. She binds him on his back and teases him, after shoving a really uncomfortable plug up his ass.. He gets hard from the prostate stimulation. She mounts him and grinds down hard-this makes his welts burn even more fiercely. She tuants him while she takes her time, squeezing him just enough to keep him hard inside of her-being selfish.. She gets off several times and dismounts-he still hasn't orgasmed-and he won't. Not this time.
 
Yup ,that's pretty submissive of her.
 



[sm=mop.gif]  whooo.. mop up at my desk... thank YOU



Leatherist -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 9:13:57 AM)

YW...I get SO tired of people and thier silly stereotypes.
 
A little practical example can work wonders-when all of the *serious words* end up saying nada about what REALLY goes on. [:D]



hands0n0knees -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 9:16:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

*purrs*  Yessss, "Hot or Not" is truly the eternal question of axiology.  It's so fun to tease aborecent boys.  Wind them up far enough, you can get Plato to punch Epicurus right in the face... and have Epicurus say "Thank you, may I have another."


You had me at axiology.

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RedMagic1
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Using only big words is a more severe vocabulary limitation than using only small words.  Small words can combine into salty expressions that are more evocative -- and FUN -- than big words.  Powerful communicators use the right word at the right time, not the "impressive" word all the time.


My favourite word is just five letters: 'irony.'



Silverbunny -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 3:39:26 PM)

Thanks to everyone who has posted thus far.  I thoroughly enjoyed reading all of your thoughts.

To clarify; this was something I personally never considered until this conversation came up, and something that I definitely did not believe was true.  Further I definitely wasn't that this has any impact on my BDSM life as a Domme.  I did however find the conversation that took place interesting (although some of you clearly disagree) and thought it was worth starting a post about.  I would be happy to provide more context for anyone that cares.

Once again thanks for the insight to everyone and encourage you all to continue posting your thoughts on this.



Politesub53 -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/9/2008 4:46:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsStarlett

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yes Terms, its called "Washing the dishes"  [8D]


Oh Baby!  How far are you from me???



Somewhere around 5,000 miles Ma`am. see, i`m not perfect.

Yet  [8D]



AcademyForSlaves -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/10/2008 8:48:35 PM)

Personally I agree with the eating comparison. The Venus Flytrap consumes the fly. The shark consumes the fish. The fly or fish is inside the mouth or hole but it is being taken and consumed.

It's also how you look at it and how you personally feel about it. You can feel like your being taken or you can feel like the one in control and taking the man and using his penis for your pleasure or to create a child for yourself.

If it helps, tie him up first and tease him until he begs for mercy and don't let him cum at all. That always works for me. [;)]



steffie -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/10/2008 11:57:53 PM)

Great question for consideration. 

You can get as many correct opinions as there are people on this board.

For me, penetration is an act of submission.  And I love it as such.  When someone takes me in such a fashion, i am giving them my body... my heart... my soul.  But i don't believe everyone feels that way.

I've met women who use the male penis as an instrument for their own satisfaction.  It all comes down to whose in control.  And if she's in control, penetration can become an act of Domination.

What it means to be submissive or Dominant, resides between one's ears - not between one's legs.



hands0n0knees -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 2:04:25 AM)

I think this thread should be killed cold with these words.

'Existence precedes essence.'  Penetration is not born submissive, it becomes so.

*dusts hands*
 



Pyrrsefanie -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 10:33:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hands0n0knees

I think this thread should be killed cold with these words.

'Existence precedes essence.'  Penetration is not born submissive, it becomes so.

*dusts hands*
 


You're hot.



khem -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 10:43:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

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ORIGINAL: hands0n0knees

I think this thread should be killed cold with these words.

'Existence precedes essence.'  Penetration is not born submissive, it becomes so.

*dusts hands*
 


You're hot.



I know, he keeps giving me vocabularygasms.  He's the extreme opposite of the guys who can't type or spell that we often rip on.



hands0n0knees -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 12:40:49 PM)

It's very kind of you to notice the immense strain and effort that is poured into every sentence I post here.  I will immediately notify a certain gentleman who recommended to me in private to cease the deployment of all this Sartrean rhetoric.  If you want every male to go the same lengths, you must reward erudition when you see it.  Market forces.

By the way,  khem, if you want a real vocabularygasm, check out the little trinket I'm holding in the second picture on my profile.  My pride and joy, that is.

Thank you.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 12:45:03 PM)

Many people do indeed regard being penetrated as inherently submissive, and in many, if not most, cultures it has been viewed that way--but so what?  It's not as though the Lord on High sent down eternal and immutable rules about this.  Whatever is "inherently submissive" is whatever you regard as submissive.  If a domme likes to be penetrated, of course she can still be dominant.  "You're going to penetrate me exactly the way I demand, bitch."

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ORIGINAL: Silverbunny

Essentially my question is whether the act of penetration is inherently submissive - can a woman get penetrated and still be Dominant in that act?



MisPandora -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 2:07:54 PM)

I'm jumping on this conversation extremely late, apologies.

I can't help but think that if it's sex, it's just sex, and there is no "position" or power behind it.  We're the ones that place the pressure of defining the "position" because we have to put labels on things to umderstand them.

Given that we recently celebrated Beltane here in this hemisphere, I share with you this section of the Great Rite (fertility rite.)  The athame is a knife, representing the male phallus.  The chalice or cup, represents the female womb.

Let it be known that a man is not greater than a woman
Nor is a woman greater than a man
For what one lacks, the other can give.
 
As the athame is to the male, so the chalice is to the female
And when they are joined they become one in truth
For there is no greater magic in all the world
Than that of love.



atlboy77 -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 2:42:58 PM)

In my opinion, there is no way that the simple act of penetration can decide who is dominant and who is submissive, without knowing the circumnstances. The dominant partner controls the surrounding environment, the verbal and physical actions taking place during penetration. They control the what, when, and how, and whether the submissive is in any kind of bondage, etc... This is what determines whether the "penetration" is an act of domination or submission, and by whom.






atlboy77 -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 2:46:32 PM)

P.S.
In fact I don't think the word "penetrate" is really suitable when the dominant partner is the one being penetrated, because in this case the submissive is the one on the receiving end, even though they are penetrating the dominant partner. May be the way it should be said that the dominant partner "engulfs" the submissive partner, instead of saying that the submissive "penetrates" the dominant partner?

"Ingulf" is the first word I thought of... any better suggestions?




unforegvn -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 4:01:47 PM)

I am just going to sit back and watch what happens during the course of this thread.  I have my opinion and so does everyone else - however in my world ,mine is the only opinion that matters :o)



Politesub53 -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 4:37:01 PM)

If i am told to do something, and i do it, then i am being submissive.

If i am asked to do something, and i do it, then i am behaving myself.
[8D]



Wickad -> RE: Is Penetration Inherently Submissive? (5/11/2008 9:19:29 PM)

(fast reply)

Greetings,

Well.... I guess I have to disagree with most posters.  I do see penetration as inherently submissive.

I don't plan on getting into an argument here about who is right and who is wrong - lol - so ... each to their own I guess.

Wickad



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