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Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 12:30:02 PM   
nvcsubinjxn


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Status: offline 		i read with great interest the thread about legal ways to put someone into the equivalent of slavery. i would like to know as much more about this subject as possible. if Y/you do not want to respond to this thread you can feel free to direct mail me. very interested to say the least
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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 1:29:33 PM   
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there are many MANY posts on this such subject. Remember to change
your days up top from 30 days to 365 days to see ALL the posts here on Collarme. If you ask sweetly proudsub might just find those posts for You other wise take the time to get to know those of Us here for a while thru Our posts here on Collarme.

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 1:52:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've read most of the threads on contracts. As of yet, I haven't seen an actual contract that is completely inforcable in the US.

One has the option of long-term empolyment contracts and power of attorney, but it seems that if those are shown to put somene in duress, or to have been signed under duress, they can be declared illegal.

So, even after all those threads I have yet to see and actual, 100% enforcable, no-escape, slave contract.

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 2:37:29 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		I have to agree with Perverse here. I try my best to stay up on the various states laws. No contract is enforceable in the US. None to my knowledge anyway.

Sure, you could do something like a client contract. Although that is'nt slavery now is it?

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 4:21:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
I've read most of the threads on contracts. As of yet, I haven't seen an actual contract that is completely inforcable in the US.


You'll never find one that is enforceable. No matter how attractive the thought may be, it's simply a pipe dream.

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 4:24:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it comes down to having a contract enforced by court because people are not bound by their own words, what does trhat say about the people?

Even if the power of attourney or what not was not signed under duress, try explaining to the jury that you can be whipped for being late with the tea, but not moving the pen was a free choice.

Once someone claimed to have those contracts enforced but did not provide case numbers so we all can check.

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 4:31:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: iwillserveu
Once someone claimed to have those contracts enforced but did not provide case numbers so we all can check.

They couldn't provide proof? Imagine that.

The two main points to consider are:

1) slavery is illegal
2) a contract that is based upon the commission of an illegal act is not enforceable

So, as much as someone might wish to be whisked off to the Marketplace and put on the block, it just ain't gonna happen.

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 5:11:16 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		yea iwill like Im gonna give out personal info on another person
you think Me fool? My truths and facts are just that what I have
personally experianced and if I had gotten permission would give
such out however I am not the only one such items have to be
attained from. why not search for cases as there are more then
just My cases that have held up in court. it is easy for those whom
have not personally been there to make comment on such things
and just as easy for those whom do not beleive in them nor use them
to push them off as a item of no value. You are wrong and even to the
extend that by saying such neither person whom becomes involved
in any kind of contract has no value of word as well. rather you desire
to beleive it or not, concensual slave contracts exsist and even nonconcensual ones as well but the unconcensual slavery is not what
We address here on collar Me is it for We are all here to practice what
We beleive to always be concensual right ? so why tempt to find sumthing
where there is nothing? I make contacts every day both in the US and out. What I choose to call them is irelavant because the bottom line is the ones whom make the contract do They beleive that they are to live up to it?
That is the bottom line in a contract thats to be honored by both or more parties. I could go to the court and say the contract that I signed to build this Commercial constrution site makes ME a slave and I there for now after gaining attributes from the contract can say I was forced to be a slave to the job will that make the contract any less of value? or the Owners of the agreed apon contract ? Or will it be in fact how both parties
present their cases and the one whom is more beleived will win the case and the contract ? Its the One whom knows how to make things as close to the desired end by BOTH parties that is of importance here and that both gain the desires from the contracts that put them where they want to be either the Dominant in the Dominance of the slave or the slave to feel
they totally enslaved by the Dominant. It is said that at any point that a person is enslaved and held with out a way to get out they become nonconcensually enslaved there for every time a person has on a pair of steel hand cuffs provided by another they are in fact breaking the constitutional laws of the land. how many here have broken that law in order to thrill in their desires both the one whom has put on the cuffs and the cuffee?? There are many ways to the desired end results of a DESIRED slave contract and those ADULTS into Alternate Living both the suplicant and Dominant will honor them to their ends regardless of what a Law says or what others whom do not beleive in a contract as being right thinks or those whom hold honor and trust in such things of value.
The real enforcement of any contract comes from the Persons their self in Thier dignity and integrity and not in a court action. But sum times and in sum ways providing how a contract is written one has to use other means to see that a contraact is lived up to for what ever reason it is written.
I like making presidence
I would think that anyone of a Alternate Lifestyle practicing such
24/7 would like to also do such as well.
Of course I know those part timer closet practicers would never think of such a thing. But not to worry there will always be those of Us whom face
the evil with in and with out to a better end for all against the odds . LOL
The Worlds a changin!

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 5:21:48 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Ive been to both concensual slave markets
and have seen slaves bought off the block
in a concensual manner and nonconcensual
slave sales n My life.. it does happen.

Ive also been to people auctions for political gain,
clothes sales, to raise funds for non profit. I concider
the sale of any person for any reason to be a form of
concensual slavery as it is the sale of a human being.

Think about this a moment. And its concepts and thoght
process as its layed out and utilized. Where do you think
the thought of selling and buying a person came from??

Maybe the Catholic church? or how about hmmm The egyptions
as they built the stately buildings of that nation?? JMO

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 5:29:21 PM   
PassionateNights


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Status: offline 		I remember my contract law pretty clearly. Certainly contracts that involve illegal activities are going to be void. Is there a way to create a perfromance contract that is legal...probably...but unbreakable. There is no such animal. Marriage is a legally binding contract and yet our society allows us to break it at will. Our contract is our word and our bond and it is only as good as the person who gives it.
We put pretty wrapping on it, have formal ceremonies over it, write up documents and heck sign in blood all to create the illusion of importance when it still comes down to what my grandmother said "Your only as good as your word".

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 5:48:01 PM   
nvcsubinjxn


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Status: offline 		Mistress Dread, You seem both wise and logical in Your words. also the fact that You feel no need to "prove" yourself convinces me that You are most likely very much right about what You say. perhaps sometime You will grant me an audience so i may chat with You. i think i could learn volumes.

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 5:57:38 PM   
Estring


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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 6:20:18 PM   
stef


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Status: offline 		I'm sorry, but those last two posts make my head hurt every time I try and read them.

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 7:44:04 PM   
MistressDREAD


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now why would You have a interest into whom might
desire to sign sumthing with Moi Estring. lol
besides I dont sign with subs Estring remember? only
slaves...

nvcsubinjxn
you may contact Me on the other side of
collarme if the boards are to open for
your inquiry all tho I prefer being totally
open in My opinions and I can warn You
that they are thought of in the minority
but I still like to address the lifestyle issues
here even when its a tooth and nail chore
to hit on all the left and right extreams
when so many are D/s and take issues to
those of Us on more the S/M side of BDSM
Ill be happy to answer your inquiry into My
realities of My Lifestyle.

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 7:45:40 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		ummmm well then stef dont read em
ta daaaaaa headach gone!!

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/28/2004 8:18:16 PM   
Sinergy


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"The Government of the United States has made 330 contracts with the Native American people, and has so far broken 329 of them." Tom Laughlin, Billy Jack

He makes another comment in there which seems appopriate, but I dont have the exact wording. In essence, he states that the only reason the White Man insists on using contracts is so they can use them against the opposing side in court. As opposed to the Native American culture where a person's word is their bond.

And on a related note, "My word when given is good." Liam Neeson, Rob Roy. An interesting story about somebody who the historical record shows as a Bad Guy but made a loveable romantic hero. He also stated "Honor is a gift a man gives himself.

Im not sure what it all means, but I still dont agree in making enforceable contracts legally binding since I personally dont want somebody around who doesnt want to be with me. I will help you pack and pay for the move. An enforceable contract wont keep a person there, it will simply allow one to sue for damages.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/29/2004 1:08:10 AM   
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If you ask sweetly proudsub might just find those posts for You


should slaves be able to submit.....

master/slave contract

laws and bdsm

when can a slave leave

24/7 slaves

legal question

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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/30/2004 8:05:23 AM   
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hands proud a box.............




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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/30/2004 9:11:34 AM   
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RE: Eforcable "slave" contracts - 7/31/2004 12:40:31 AM   
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Thank you MistressDread, i appreciate the thought but as you know i am on the South Beach plan, so passing them around the boards to all who aren't trying to lose weight or diabetic.

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