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RE: What is Vampirism? - 5/26/2006 2:04:41 AM   
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The line between scening, lifestyle, and reality can always be blurred by a failure to reconnect with another of the three when one ends.  If a scene ends, and someone doesn't want it to, or they're under stress, or whatever, they can become stuck in their scene.  That's true of any make believe.  Mental facilities will most likely never go out of business (unless something is done about them. . .it's the whole community's problem, we all need to act, and act now, bringing down the oppressive fist of psychology, free the masses, burn Freud in effigy, begin the revolution, why are you looking at me like that?).  The point is, vampirism, while a common fantasy to be overdone and immersed, is no worse than most other delusions, just usually more noticeable.  Hell, one of my best friend's uncle was treated over 4 years for believing he was Jesus.  BTW, when asked why he thought this, he matter-of-factly responded, "Nobody else was.  Coulda' been."  But the existence of one vampire does not discount the existence of other vampires, so they tend to congregate. . .less possibility of ridicule.  I should know -- I used to be really big into the vampire scene down in New Orleans (or American Transylvania as some called it), but it just got way too out of hand.  A word of advice: if you like Shadowrun, don't move to Seattle, if you like movies, don't work in or around Hollywood, and if you like vampires, don't move to the same city with Anne Rice.  You will either be ruined on it, or you will expose yourself as the utterly pathetic loser that you are.  There are exceptions, but they are rare, and no, for a while, I was NOT one of them.  To get out of crowd #2, I had to join crowd #1.  Unfortunate, really, but I moved on, and eventually got back to where I could enjoy it again.  Basically, all I'm trying to say is don't hate on the Kindred or the Immortal or the "Society" or whatever they call themselves where you are, because they may be sick.  Either mental illness or porphrya or sheer boredom (and let the first person without that experience be the first to be stoned) has led them to this behavior, and it usually isn't that harmful to the average onlooker if they can just learn to live and let (un)live.  Besides, if you look at it my way, when they get too obnoxious, the real vampires will take care of them for the insult carried in the bad impression.

P.S. -- I don't know how many people know this, but during Mardi Gras, a lot of churches like to send "missionaries" to New Orleans to fling a little brimstone (and by a little, I mean a metric shit ton).  While I was living there, a young girl was found crucified, wreathed with garlic, staked, soaked with what I can only assume was holy water, and left where the sunrise would bathe her in light.  If there is someone in your area that is a little to trusting with their lecture on their vampiric status, I strongly urge you to point out that, whether or not they are crazy, other people are much worse, and that atrocities happen every day, and not just outside the U.S.  When I read about it, I couldn't help but think about how it could have been me or one of my friends at the time.  I didn't have the horror of witnessing that particular crime scene, but the less it happens the better.

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RE: What is Vampirism? - 5/26/2006 9:10:42 AM   
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Just as a little fyi.... Most people deep in the vamp community, will be very hesitant to speak publicly about it, and very hesitant to "educate others" about it. I'm very leery of websites that claim knowledge on the subject because the author of said websites are breaking one of the fundamental rules of the vamp community. Take what they have to offer with a grain of salt and don't believe everything you hear/see on the subject.


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RE: What is Vampirism? - 5/26/2006 10:40:33 AM   
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Have never given much credence to the concept of vampires, or werewolves, or any of the other Gothic horror stories.

It's pretty much along the same lines as LARP.  Unfortunately, many never seem to find the line between make believe and reality.  Keep in mind that Dracula has never been out of print since Stoker first put pen to paper.

As to porphyria, yes it does exist.  I, personally, just have a great taste for it.  Can't lick as many cuts and what not as I have and not enjoy the taste of it. *shrug*


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RE: What is Vampirism? - 5/26/2006 10:49:49 AM   
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Blood sucking huh? Lets ask an expert!  Is there a lawyer in the house?!

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RE: What is Vampirism? - 5/27/2006 6:58:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Moloch

Blood sucking huh? Lets ask an expert!  Is there a lawyer in the house?!


LOLOLOL

Nice... very nice...


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RE: What is Vampirism? - 5/27/2006 7:10:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

I would not consider myself a vampire. But the whole concept/bloodplay etc... I find fascinating. One of my closest friends considers himself a vampire and I have another whom had His teeth altered and follows the more 'fairytale' version.

There is a thought that vampirism is a form of a person with Porphyria which is a collection of complaints that a sufferer may have. These include skin problems, light sensitivity, liver problems, iron deficiency and stomach problems and sickness due to the increase of porphyrins and their lack of. It can be hereditry but not always.

But Porphyria sufferers don't have the need for 'blood', which is the common falicy/fable of vampirism. It's realy the visbale signs that the sufferers have.

Also, not all people who claim to be vampires are into blood play. Some vampires are energy feeders and feed from the 'lifeforce' of others. There are those who are voluntery donators and do not have any presumption that they are vampires, but prefere instead to donate.

Fable overtakes the fact - alot of people just see the 'buffy' vampires etc and think thats exactly what vampires are. Gothic fantasy takes aot of vampire fantasy on but most vampires are just like you and me and just walk around in normal clothes and normal hair. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them, so called 'vanillas' and BDSMers...

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RE: What is Vampirism? - 5/27/2006 7:33:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moloch

Blood sucking huh? Lets ask an expert!  Is there a lawyer in the house?!


Crimes like assault and battery; manslaughter, etc. are generally state-specific unless the crime occurred on Federal land, such as a National Park, military installation or "Indian Reservation". 
 
Let me posit a "worst case scenario":
 
You carry the virus which can cause cervical cancer <hey where the hell is mbmn? i need her again.> but You don't know it.  You scene with a woman; blood is drawn and Your saliva or semen is introduced into her blood stream.  She later has "buyer's remorse" and cries "rape" to the cops.  In many jurisidictions, You have may have committed the following:
 
1.  assault and battery (some acts cannot, by law, by consented to, so even if You can prove consent, You are sh*t out of luck.)  The degree would likey be 1st; carrying a 5 to 15 prison term sentence in most jurisdictions.
 
2.  Rape.  (No one is gonna believe they woman consented, and the DA will have a field day with You.  So will the press.)  Once again, the degree would be likley be1st; in some jurisdictions this carries a prison term of 15 to life.
 
3.  Attempted Manslaughter. (even worse if You carry the HIV virus; and possibly whether or not You know it.)
 
4.  After the woman's death, murder, likely 1st degree, which many states and the Federal statutes provide may be punished by the death penalty.
 
Note:  this is USA law.
 
Note: this list is not intended to be exclusive or state-specific; for reliable advice for Y/your own needs, seek legal counsel.

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