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Contracts - 11/28/2005 6:39:22 AM   
LaDee


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Do You suggest that each Mistress have Her sub/slave sign one? Is there a standard one or does each usually make Her own?
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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 7:45:20 AM   
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Do You suggest that each Mistress have Her sub/slave sign one? Is there a standard one or does each usually make Her own?
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do a search. you should find several on the net.
i only suggest each one check their feelings if they NEED one...
"I" do not NEED it.....but She did.
"I" do not want it.......but She did.
and yeah........She made up Her own.

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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 8:15:55 AM   
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Reply, I don't or never have used a contract for the slaves I had. I actually had a commitment letter. It outlined our relationship, what s/he was willing to do during the power exchange in regards to inside and outside of BDSM.The things considered were physical, emotional, social, spiritual and health. At no time did it mention scenes or sessions. That has no bearing on the contract and a limit list at that point would be mute point as we would have had enough to figure all our needs.

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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 10:58:50 AM   
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Thanks! I appreciate the replies. La'Dee

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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 11:03:13 AM   
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I am not sure whether I will write one up either but Thanks.

La'Dee

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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 11:14:31 AM   
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Just two months ago, i signed a slave contract...putting it to paper makes it more likely the two of you know what you're getting into...when Mistress submitted the contract to me, there was one change i required, and Mistress readily agreed to it.

While the concept of the slave contract is good as far as setting up guidelines, both parties should know that the contract is not enforceable on it's face, as a contract for slavery is against public policy.

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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 11:52:39 AM   
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I have a standard training contract I designed but it is adapted a bit per trainee.

Ownership contracts are more personal for me and tend to get shorter over time through experience.

If someone was just a submissive I played with regularly or every now and then, I wouldn't have a contract -- its just a friendly verbal committment to scene at that point.



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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 4:11:14 PM   
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Personally, I do not utilize a written contract. A verbal commitment suffices. There is a lot of upfront discussion as to wants, needs, desires, limits, etc. by all involved before the commitment is given by either side.

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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 4:20:40 PM   
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As stated before a Contract will not hold up in court even if it includes a slave giving up all of his/her possessions if they should break up. Contract is in some ways an expectation of how you will act in the relationship. If there should be a disagreement, you might use it for guidance. To most its really a game item. Nothing more. I am surprised Superiors aren't expecting subs/slaves to write their name in blood ...lol

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RE: Contracts - 11/28/2005 4:54:43 PM   
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quote:

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As stated before a Contract will not hold up in court even if it includes a slave giving up all of his/her possessions if they should break up. Contract is in some ways an expectation of how you will act in the relationship. If there should be a disagreement, you might use it for guidance. To most its really a game item. Nothing more. I am surprised Superiors aren't expecting subs/slaves to write their name in blood ...lol


It can be an excellent tool to help review the rules and the limits for everyone especially if you have multiple partners. Plus I have contact information on it, lists of allergies, the check list, its more like a folder of information I collect. And yes, I do review it before a training session to help me be clear in my mind where the limits are.

But Fox and I now have only two sentences after six years together and our signatures.

In a way, I think such brevity gives me a lot more power than if we had a contract that was detailed and longer.


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RE: Contracts - 12/1/2005 4:42:08 PM   
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does anybody have a sample contract

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RE: Contracts - 12/1/2005 5:41:34 PM   
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No, but I have a good agent!

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RE: Contracts - 12/1/2005 6:44:45 PM   
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Thanks too E/everyone for responding. La'Dee

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RE: Contracts - 12/2/2005 1:58:44 PM   
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LaDee,

While everyone that commented on the legality of a domme/sub contract has the same thought in mind, you (and them) might consider this. "Me domme, you slave," unenforcable in any court, "a living will naming her as heir to all you own", might hold up if the judge is whacked out and the family doesn't contest it. "Power of Attorney" given to her, definitely binding and legal. The bottom line is, there are slave contracts, and there are slave contracts.

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RE: Contracts - 12/13/2005 2:35:28 PM   
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Here is one that my Madam and i have signed, this is taken from the many we have seen on the web, i hope this helps

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Contract between Madam(name & slave Name)
THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BY WHICH Madam Name, ASSUMES FULL OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL IN THE CHASTITY OF THE OF sub slave Name, WHEREAS Madam Name IS THE CHASTITY KEYHOLDER AND THE sub slave Name IS THE CHASTITY DEVICE WEARER, THIS CONTRACT IS BINDING ON sub slave Name ONLY FOR REST OF HIS LIFE
I. TERMS OF AGREEMENT
Madam Name will have total 24/7 control of sub salve Name, in every aspect and as follows
A. The sub slave Name submits ownership of his genitals to Madam Name as her property. Madam takes complete control of the sub slave’s genitals. The sub slave is not allowed to touch or fondle Madam Joyce’s newly acquired property without her consent, however, Madam has free reign to do whatever she desires with her property.
B. Madam Name will ultimately decide when/if permission to orgasm will be granted based on variables such as infractions of these terms, the convenience of the orgasm to be granted, or Madam’s general overall mood to grant permission.
C. The sub slave submits to the use and wearing of a locking chastity device to ensure that Madam’s newly acquired property is kept secure and denies access to the sub slave’s ability to break the terms of this chastity. Madam Name will keep all keys. The sub slave is not authorized to touch any of the Madam’s keys. The sub slave will only be allowed to open the chastity belt in the case of an emergency. Madam will review the emergency and decide whether the emergency was excusable. An inexcusable emergency will be met with punishment.
D. When Madam Name decides the chastity device may be taken off for hygiene and maintenance purposes. Madam will decide if she will be the one who performs the cleaning of her property, or if she will trust the sub slave with the task.
E. The chastity device may be taken off, at any time Madam Name wishes, and for any reason Madam wishes.
F. The sub slave does not have authority to remove the chastity device, from Madam’s property for any reason. The sub slave may, however, submit a request for removal of the chastity device explaining the reason or reasons for removal, but ultimately Madam Name will decide on the approval of the request.
G. The sub slave Name will take responsibility for the performance of all household chores. This includes, but is not limited to, washing the dishes, cleaning the kitchen, cleaning the bathrooms, vacuuming the floors, trash removal, ironing, and general cleanup of all rooms within the house. Madam Name may request that these chores be done at any time she sees fit. Madam Name may also add any household duties as she wishes. In extreme cases, but ultimately decided by the Madam, Madam Name may take part in household chores.
H. Madam may ask for, any additional personal assistance from the sub slave such as helping her get dressed, shaving her legs, helping with hair, etc., at any time she sees fit. The sub slave has no right to deny Madam Name of any personal assistance.
I. The slave sub must request permission from Madam Name to engage in any kind of hobby or personal activity not mentioned above. Madam has the right to deny these request’s at any time.
J. Madam Name has the right to ask or demand any reasonable favour from the sub slave without any form of defiance. The sub slave has the right to explain any disagreement of the favour, but Madam Name ultimately has the final word in the ruling of the appeal.
L. Madam Name can do anything sexual or not as she thinks fit, this to include any anal play on the sub slave, i.e. Dildo’s, enema’s etc, beatings etc, or anything else that Madam Name wishes that is not covered by this agreement.
K. Madam Name has the authority to amend any of the terms listed above, at any time, and without the sub slave’s agreement.

II. PUNISHMENTS AND CONSEQUENCES
Madam Name can administer punishment whenever or wherever, at any time without any reason what so ever, also this can be as many as she likes or as hard as she like
A. If the sub slaves touches or fondles his Madam’s acquired property without her permission, an additional four weeks will be added to the chastity period, Madam was thinking about, further this will get sub slave a punishment of Madams Choice
B. If the sub slave has an unauthorized orgasm any time during the chastity period:
1. He must lick up his mess.
2. He must submit to a punishment of what ever Madam decides.
3. In addition, the chastity period will increase by eight weeks over on the original day or release date.
C. If the sub slave has any uncontrollable form of orgasm during the chastity period (i.e., wet dreams, etc.); the sub slave will report the incident to Madam, who has the right to apply the original punishment for unauthorized orgasm, or she can waive any kind of punishment. The sub slave has no rights to appeal in Madam’s final decision.
D. Any unauthorized removal of the chastity device from the Madam’s property, tampering with the chastity device, stealing of the Madam’s keys, without the Madam’s approval of the incident will be met with the following punishment:
1. Automatic forfeiture of orgasm for 42 days (six weeks) from the time that the infraction occurred.
2. Punishment from Madam with the use of a paddle.
3. Hard smacks to the testicles, Madam to decide how many
4. Madam will notify the sub slave if she wants to continue in his orgasm denial program.

E. If the sub slave fails to do any of the household duties, he will receive:
1. 7 days (one week) added on to the current chastity period for each infraction.
2. Punishment from a paddle, by Madam for each infraction.


F. If the sub slave fails to do any of the personal assistance duties, including, any additional personal assistance, he will receive:
1. 7 days (one week) added on to the current chastity period for each infraction.
2. Punishment from a paddle, by Madam for each infraction.

G. If the sub slave defies the Madam Name when denied a hobby or personal activity, the sub slave:
1. Will be grounded from the activity for 7 days (one week) for each infraction, or one meeting
2. Punishment from a paddle, by Madam for each infraction.

H. Madam Name has the authority to amend any of the punishments and consequences listed above. The sub slave has none.

Madam Name has the sole right to cancel this binding agreement for life at any time
I agree to the terms and conditions listed above. I authorize this agreement to take effect on the day of signing

Signature of (Name of Mistress / Madam)
Date (enter Date)

I agree to the terms and conditions listed above. I authorize this agreement to take effect on the day of signing, further this agreement is binding on me and me alone for the rest of my life, or as long as Madam Name so desires


Signature of sub slave (enter Name)
Date (enter Date)




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RE: Contracts - 12/13/2005 2:46:03 PM   
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Thanks! the sample contract is very helpful. La'Dee

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RE: Contracts - 12/13/2005 11:05:15 PM   
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The contracts are not needed.
There is no point to them.

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RE: Contracts - 12/14/2005 5:31:32 AM   
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imtempting,

Thanks for the comment but can you example? La'Dee

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RE: Contracts - 12/14/2005 5:42:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaDee

Do You suggest that each Mistress have Her sub/slave sign one? Is there a standard one or does each usually make Her own?
Curiuos here. La'Dee



I like to use them... personal preference, them and collars, rituals and training, behaviour modification, letters of devotion, morning tasks, etc ... contracts are just another useful tool at our disposal if we want it ... but there's no hard and fast rules they should be used ... some find them useful, some don't. I wouldn't call them pointless, as they do have their place for those who want them.

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RE: Contracts - 12/18/2005 2:48:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaDee

Do You suggest that each Mistress have Her sub/slave sign one? Is there a standard one or does each usually make Her own?
Curiuos here. La'Dee


A contract is a meeting of two minds - not "Sign here." As such it would make sense for you to create one with the person you are entering into the agreement with.

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