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mystickoolaid -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/23/2008 7:04:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: glynn012954 FYI---there was a pro-dom in San Antonio TX several years back that had dungeon room set up in a bedroom of her house that had a high rock wall around a private patio just outside a sliding glass door. She had an X-cross set up out there and she did something she called burning at the stake. She would strap a sub to the cross in the hot sun while she rested inside in the cool sipping ice tea on a lounge chair. The sub was in perfect position to observe her through the door. She would leave the sub out there for awhile till he was getting thirsty, and midly sun burned. She would then go out and offer to give him something to drink or to spray cool water mist on his back, all he had to do was accept her cat on his back. If he said no she just went back inside and waited awhile longer and then went out to make the same offer again. This was usually enough to make the sub change his limits and accept his punishment to get released from the cross. She has since moved to Panama City FL so I don't know if she is still doing this type of session or not. Just reading this thread brought back the memories. YOWCH! I have one kitty who love paws so hard she makes you bleed. I am hoping this kitty was more friendly about the claws.

RCdc -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/24/2008 9:12:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mystickoolaid He didn't want the punishment, but the Domme in question told him to say that he hated her and she would stop, although it would have been a lie which apparently would have garnered MORE punishment... and he couldn't/wouldn't say it. Not much point if he was just going to get beaten more or in a different way for lying, I'd say. You don;t have to want the punishment, but to submit to it. And he clearly did submit, otherwise he would never had said - quote: ...i hated it, but i admit it has humbled me more You may find it abusive and you may be uncomfortable with such a scenario, but it does not signal abuse to me. In fact, it simply shows you inability to understand some submissive mindsets. I would ask you if you asked all people involved in this scene whether it was ok to come onto a public forum and discuss it? I honestly have no idea if you respond, to my question. But, If you did not, I would find that more an abuse than the act itself. the.dark.

mystickoolaid -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/24/2008 9:48:08 AM)
I'm not mentioning any names. And they both know about this thread. Just asked that I don't use names.

agirl -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/24/2008 11:32:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mystickoolaid quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: ORIGINAL: mystickoolaid He didn't enjoy it, and supposedly "she" admitted to doing it. I think the treatment of a sub/slave should make the relationship enjoyable and agreeable to both, but some Dominants would disagree with me. Are you really serious? Every dominant I have ever been with has done stuff that I did NOT find enjoyable. Every submissive that I have ever known has had a dominant do things they did NOT find enjoyable. All those dominants would gladly admit that they they did things that their submissives did not find enjoyable. Are you telling me that D/s and M/s relationships have suddenly become about D types always catering to the pleasure wants of s types? D types have to refrain from anything their s type does not enjoy? Ummmmm.....the fact that D types do things that s types are not particularly fond of is a part of the dynamic....for some a very big part. Maybe we should blacklist them all? Again, those of you who are unable to see past what you WANT to read, are assuming I meant it should always be fun and games for a sub. That isn't what I meant. I meant that both parties should be happy with their relationship IN GENERAL. Even vanilla relationships require both parties to do things they don't like from time to time. Having someone go out and get sunburned intentionally just so you can beat the crap out of them is pushing the limits of extreme in my opinion. I sunburn easily and badly being a redhead, so maybe it isnt as bad for other people. There's no 'should' about being happy in a relationship. If the guy isn't happy in it 'in general', then he can vote with his feet. Something keeps him there. agirl

JoyfulMistress -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/24/2008 12:30:05 PM)
getting back to the original question about the punishment speaking as one who is allergic to the sun .. I would concider this way over the term HARSH .. and depending on the person Abuse... such play would be grand for a masochist that needs a bit more bite ... but just the thought of the damage the already burned skin .... and the potential to do serious damage to the body underneath the tender skin and the inability to see the damage from under the burned flesh ... in such a situation leaves me really concerned. I have to ask myself ...would I do this for one of mine and the answer is .. no .. but that doesn't mean that is law.. goodness different strokes or in this case strikes for different folks

ftmyersartist -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/24/2008 4:48:21 PM)
There is a point after which even if consent is given it is abuse. To say that because people do that willingly that it is ok to be done is wrong. Abused women will stay with the abuser for years because of a dependancy on the abuser that the mind creates when pushed too far. Children will defend a parent that abuses them. Human beings tend to rationalize and compartmentalize even the worst experiences and often the mind does odd things as a result. Victims seek out rapists. Others seek out "punishment" to suffer for what they feel they have done or allowed to be done to them. So to say because he consented to it that it was ok to be done is not right in my opinion. There is a point, a finite line that divides play from potentially life threatening or permanantly disfiguring stupidity. There are people that will say it is ok to do almost anything to them. . .some people seek others that will drag them behind a car tied to the bumper. . .some will ask people to choke them unconscious brutally again and again or dunk them under water and hold them until they pass out. Both things can result in death very easily. . .just because they consent does not make it right to do. Stupidity remains stupidity even if you say Ok. It is supposed to be in the rhealm of the dominant's self control to stop short of dangerous and damaging things. If they can't, then they shouldn't be playing at all.

DoctorJeep -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/25/2008 2:40:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl Half of the people posting here would be evil if their methods and actions were up for scrutiny by the other half. It seems extreme to YOU , it's not something YOU would do, it's not something YOU would condone ....... that doesn't make it in the least bit abusive. And as mistoferin said ...... a reputation can be damaged by hearsay crap...and in my experience...... the subbie version is generally the one voiced. There is abuse and there is abuse.........and one form is dissing with a one sided account of a situation. agirl Respectfully, while I agree that one should not jump to conclusions without evidence... If this is true - it is sick. There are lines that the human body should not be made to cross. This is a matter of medicine - not relativism. Cutting off your sub's arm would be over the line right? There is no question right? Anything that seriously risks grievous and permanent damage like this falls over a hard line.

variation30 -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/25/2008 3:11:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mystickoolaid I'm not sure if this is the correct place for this thread or not... but anyhow... I was talking to a potential sub and he told me he was 'sunstrapped'. I had never heard of this before, so I asked what it was. This is the response I got: that is where i was made to lay out in sun till i was sunburned...then my owner took a thin leather belt and whpped my back FULL FORCE over the sunburned back, about 100 lashes usually...it was for SEVERE punishments ...i hated it, but i admit it has humbled me more What do you guys think? Reasonable punishment or abuse? if he submitted to it willingly, it's not abuse.

sparkyRBF -> RE: Want opinions on this please (11/25/2008 10:37:53 AM)
One of the first play parties Master and I went to, a dear friend of mine pulled us aside and warned us that her scene was going to be intense. She enjoyed being beaten like a man in her scenes, where he would punch her, slap her, kick her while she was down. It was probably the hardest scene i've ever watched. But when it was over her smile was priceless and you could see that all tension had left her body and she seemed genuinely happy and grateful for the experience. Even though i personally found it abusive, what kind of a friend would i be if i took that joy from her? What is abusive to one is not to another. It seems like it is one of those relative things. Was it consensual? Well we have the whole black mail thing involved there... but that does not mean it was non consensual. He had a choice to leave or not tolerate that punishment. It may not have been a choice he liked, but it was still a choice. Alot of what we enjoy is not safe.. nor considered sane in the eyes of normal society, but it is always consensual. There is Risk involved in alot of what we do. Many consider breath play terribly dangerous, and to someone with a heart condition it could be fatal. And wow.. how can some of you people call this sub/slave stupid for tolerating this? Where is your commitment to see things through? where is the dedication? or are those things considered stupid as well? So in my opinion it was not abuse. Was the punishment unreasonable? For me, yes. That is why i wear the collar of a man who would not harm me in that way. But what is unreasonable for me does not matter. Was it unreasonable for that person? If it was he would have left. course, just my opinion.

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