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gungadin09 -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 11:10:37 AM)

In that case, i wonder how many times this thread has been written, and what i said before.

pam




NuevaVida -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 11:10:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I love to hear him talk. Brilliant man.



Just to add, one of the things I love about him is his ability to communicate at levels which non-scientists can understand.  Plus his sense of humor.  When I first heard him speaking on string theory, he made it sound so simple, and let on that it was really only just the beginning...that so much was becoming revealed to us that our minds couldn't even fathom at the time.  I agree - he is brilliant.




Icarys -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 11:15:40 AM)

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Re: the bolded part, I believe I've read Dr. Kaku pretty much saying the same thing.

I thought of this in my late 20's I think. I looked at his website and noticed a show on SYFY that I may have seen that on. He had a number of opposing theories showcased. The one I outlined was on there..I don't however remember him describing it like that to the T.. Regardless, I was pretty excited to hear that someone had a similar thought.

If you could link where he was talking about that (is it on the site?) I would appreciate it.

(I have to go do some work or my work universe will implode)




Icarys -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 11:17:54 AM)

Why would you remove that.





WinsomeDefiance -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 11:33:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Why would you remove that.




Aside from the embarrassment I feel, espousing theories about something I know very little about, I pulled it because I wanted to add some points I'd forgotten to say.  I feel very silly speaking on things I'm ridiculously lacking knowledgeable of.

My guess was just a random thought, based off of what little I do know.  I tend to prefer to think on things in more depth before I embarrass myself by sharing them.




Icarys -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 11:36:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I'm the least person qualified to touch upon this, but I think the reason we 'all' aren't moving in the same direction at the same time (as we are expanding outward in all directions) has to do with stars at various points throughout the universe dying at different time, black holes of various sizes forming as consequence - some causing galaxies to collide, and the explosion of energy outward from them.  Even if expanding on a curve, there are various energies being applied at different areas in space.  How significant each event is, in the whole entirety of the universe, no clue.

Maybe one could mathematically chart the origin backward, if one could factor in all the variables - ie document and measure each of the explosions in space that transpired since the original Big Bang.  All that to say, who is to say we are moving outward equally, since there are so many things happening that we are just now becoming aware of, and so many more we haven't touched upon.  Which may be total and complete bullshit, and completely wrong and irrelevant.  As I said, I'm the least qualified to touch upon such things.

Don't let the braniacs fool you.. They know about us much as you or I do in the grand scheme of things.






Icarys -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 11:37:23 AM)

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Aside from the embarrassment I feel, espousing theories about something I know very little about, I pulled it because I wanted to add some points I'd forgotten to say. I feel very silly speaking on things I'm ridiculously lacking knowledgeable of.

My guess was just a random thought, based off of what little I do know. I tend to prefer to think on things in more depth before I embarrass myself by sharing them.

I think you did a fine job. You have nothing to be embarrassed about.

Okay now I'm gone!! *poof*




NuevaVida -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 11:46:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Re: the bolded part, I believe I've read Dr. Kaku pretty much saying the same thing.

I thought of this in my late 20's I think. I looked at his website and noticed a show on SYFY that I may have seen that on. He had a number of opposing theories showcased. The one I outlined was on there..I don't however remember him describing it like that to the T.. Regardless, I was pretty excited to hear that someone had a similar thought.

If you could link where he was talking about that (is it on the site?) I would appreciate it.

(I have to go do some work or my work universe will implode)



Not surprising he's spot on with what many have considered.  Fortunately he has the know-how and means to conduct the mathematical equations necessary to continue researching the theory. Last I read, the equations were up to 11 dimensions and they could not go further.  Makes my brain hurt just thinking about it lol.

On his website, click on Articles ( on the left), although I can't recall which article I saw it in. I just browsed through some of them but it's a lot of browsing and I'm not seeing it again.  If I spot it I'll shoot it to you.  His blog is pretty interesting, too, but at times makes my brain feel like it's cracking.

I'll keep looking, as time permits.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 12:21:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

All right I'll go really deep on all of you with a truly "crazy idea"....

You all (should) have some idea of what an atom looks like that has neutrons, electrons, and protons orbiting about it's nucleus.....right?!! Well when you look at more recent space photos (from Hubble in particular) and see all the other galaxies out there it looks kind of like an atom. What if the universe (as we know it) is nothing more than an atom or possibly a cell of some type inside a another life-form of unimaginable proportions?

To break it down in simple terms....what if an atom is actually a microcosmic universe in itself? There could be infinitesimally microscopic creatures thinking the same things we are right now.



This is not a new idea. I first had it when I was around 20 and took a full hit of some super purple microdot that peeps were ODing on a quarter of.

Quite the trip.

I went back in time and relived all my past lives. It took about five hours. So yeah, time is....very flexible.

That we are a very small bit of a larger whole should not be news. We like to think we are so important, b/c we are human and have cognitive thought, when really we are such a tiny piece of the action.

JMO, YMMV






WinsomeDefiance -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 12:26:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

All right I'll go really deep on all of you with a truly "crazy idea"....

You all (should) have some idea of what an atom looks like that has neutrons, electrons, and protons orbiting about it's nucleus.....right?!! Well when you look at more recent space photos (from Hubble in particular) and see all the other galaxies out there it looks kind of like an atom. What if the universe (as we know it) is nothing more than an atom or possibly a cell of some type inside a another life-form of unimaginable proportions?

To break it down in simple terms....what if an atom is actually a microcosmic universe in itself? There could be infinitesimally microscopic creatures thinking the same things we are right now.



This is not a new idea. I first had it when I was around 20 and took a full hit of some super purple microdot that peeps were ODing on a quarter of.

Quite the trip.

I went back in time and relived all my past lives. It took about five hours. So yeah, time is....very flexible.

That we are a very small bit of a larger whole should not be news. We like to think we are so important, b/c we are human and have cognitive thought, when really we are such a tiny piece of the action.

JMO, YMMV





When I was a kid, I used to wonder - what if I didn't really exist?  What if I was just in the dream of some giant, and I didn't really go to sleep.  I just ceased to exist, cuz the giant woke up.  Some days, even now, I have to wonder what the fuck that Giant ate.




Aswad -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 1:05:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am of the ever collapsing and re-expanding universe crowd, it satisfies my sense of ------correctness (???) don't quite know if there is a word for what  it satifies in me.    


Cyclic time. It has an elegance of symmetry to it.

Perhaps it is the sense of closure with continuity which is addressed?

The manner in which the finite and the infinite is accorded coexistence of a sorts?

The Wheel of Time turns, and ages come and go, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again. In one age, called the Third Age by some, an age long past, an age yet to come, a wind rose in Eagle Mountain. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning. South and west the wind blew, down the sides of the Misquah Hills and across the great state of Minnesota until it chanced upon a sage scratching his balls while having a cup of coffee.

No need to crunch the farm to make an omelette; a few eggs will do.

Gets you the whole 'going on without' bit.

Health,
al-Aswad.




mnottertail -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 1:07:21 PM)

In my world, it is how 'god' plays dice, in the fullness of time he plays every game.

next time there wont be a plancks constant or e.  Time began and ends for us from singularity to singularity.




Aswad -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 1:25:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

If that is your version of random thoughts, the world may fall off its axis if you actually focus on something.


Now you're making me blush. [&:]

I'm not Atlas, however much it may feel like it on monday mornings.

You know, with autumn twilight coming soon, Norway could do with some sunshine. [:D]

Health,
al-Aswad.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 2:52:39 PM)

Purple microdot? Hello hippy dippies of a certain era . . .

Major ODing LDS microdot  circa....1973? 1974? Sorry about the dates, I did a lot of tripping in those days.

If you've never ODed on microdot, you weren't a real true hippy.

Just saying.






Aswad -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 3:15:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Maybe everything is just moving away from us in all directions..maybe we are the center of everything after all. [:D]


For most practical purposes, I am the center of my universe. That's (part of) relativity for you.

Pardon if the next bit is incoherent. Assume my universe and yours are moving in relation to each other. If they are not accelerating, then the centers of these two universes will be converging or diverging over time. If they accelerate or decelerate, the rate of vergence will be curved over time. In acceleration, a universe is compressed or contracted about the axis of this acceleration, which you could also model as a tilt about the time axis. Deceleration is relaxation in this context, corresponding to a level universe. Mapping the topology of frames of reference to establish a global pattern is necessary to derive fixed points of reference inside the observable universe, and may not be possible. The boundaries appear the most likely candidates for a fixed point of reference, and our degree of tilt is too high to support observation beyond the horizon which is represented by the comoving distance, which shrinks with time as a consequence of inflation. For that matter, true boundaries are not observable from inside the system (nothing covered by science is able to contain a complete and accurate description of itself, hence the surface- the boundary- is always beyond the contents, and thus the complexity is always set by the surface, not the volume, etc., etc.)

Then you wake up. CM was a board inside a simulated universe that you wasted umpteen years in. Fortunately, your subscription has expired, and you're evicted into reality. Or did you just go off the deep end? Is it the world with CM in it that is real, and instead of you waking up, you went deeply psychotic, with your mind "translating" between external experience and internal perception with the same degree of proficiency as your safeguards question the accuracy of this new world? Perhaps you just detached completely and are sitting in some corner of a visitor's ward somewhere, your real loved ones trying to get through to you as your imaginary self reads this imaginary post that it composed to resemble the fantasy creature you created to fill the role of an obnoxious and arrogant norseman.

It doesn't make much sense to attempt to assert a fixed point of reference, especially since we can only make assumptions about any purported external reality and experience thereof. The interaction is where it's all at, whether macro-, meso- or microscale. And that's what time and space are, in a lot of senses: the distance between two interacting points in the spacetime, or the potential gap of their interaction. Asking where is irrelevant. The question is with whom?

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I know that theory. So everything is moving away from everything else in all directions.


No. It doesn't move.

Your skin is fixed to your thorax.

Yet, when you breathe, your areolas have variable spacing and size.

We are tits in space, all of us, and we're not leaving the chest any time soon.

Health,
al-Aswad.




NuevaVida -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 3:26:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

We are tits in space, all of us, and we're not leaving the chest any time soon.


OK this seriously needs to be the Sunny quote of the day.




MasterG2kTR -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 3:38:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Purple microdot? Hello hippy dippies of a certain era . . .

Major ODing LDS microdot  circa....1973? 1974? Sorry about the dates, I did a lot of tripping in those days.

If you've never ODed on microdot, you weren't a real true hippy.

Just saying.


Never OD'd on it....but had plenty of it....lot's of window pane and blotter too [:D]




Aswad -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 3:53:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I'm the least person qualified to touch upon this


It isn't the Black Stone.

Touch, or even fondle, the subject as much as you like.

Most of us, myself included, aren't remotely qualified, and even the professionals can hardly be called qualified at this point in history, but without interest, there is no demand, and no production. Besides, several organizations have already realized that non-professionals can sometimes make significant contributions to a field. It's rare, and often accidental, but potentially valuable nonetheless.

Realizing the difference between qualification, enthusiasm and interest is important.

Realizing that all three are valuable is also important.

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, but I think the reason we 'all' aren't moving in the same direction at the same time (as we are expanding outward in all directions) has to do with stars at various points throughout the universe dying at different time, black holes of various sizes forming as consequence - some causing galaxies to collide, and the explosion of energy outward from them.  Even if expanding on a curve, there are various energies being applied at different areas in space.  How significant each event is, in the whole entirety of the universe, no clue.


Space does derive a sort of topology from the gravitation that results from the influence of mass, much like a sheet of heavy rubber that slowly sinks into a pool will have a shape to it. How much of this topology, and the changes in it, is because of observable matter is one of the key questions in astrophysics at the moment.

As such, you're describing a real factor, but our observations seem to indicate that space is more like an oil slick than a sheet of rubber: the pull of gravity has local effects, but does not appear adequate to control the largest scales. That leads to an expanding universe, just like an oil slick distributes across the surface of a body of water, eventually resulting in droplets that are small enough to be sustained by surface tension, with vast spaces between the droplets. For practical purposes, that is assumed to mean that the Milky Way will at some point be the only part of the universe we can access without exceeding the speed of light, because the other galaxies will have become too distant for us to reach.

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Maybe one could mathematically chart the origin backward, if one could factor in all the variables - ie document and measure each of the explosions in space that transpired since the original Big Bang.  All that to say, who is to say we are moving outward equally, since there are so many things happening that we are just now becoming aware of, and so many more we haven't touched upon.  Which may be total and complete bullshit, and completely wrong and irrelevant.  As I said, I'm the least qualified to touch upon such things.


It is quite relevant to map the variables, as the evolution of the universe has no doubt been influenced by gravity, and that influence is likely to have been greater in certain stages of its evolution than others. We may also be able to locate a centerpoint, which is the next best thing to a point of origin. One study raises the possibility of an origin along a line that appears to point toward Earth.

It may even be the case that our universe originated in a particle accelerator in an incomprehensibly large "outside" universe, where the beings in that universe started experimenting about when the Big Bang occured. To beings of such a large scale, discovering that they can smash two multiverses together to make smaller particles about the size of our universe would be an exciting discovery, most likely. That our universe is a huge thing to us doesn't mean it's a huge thing to such beings, whose cells undoubtedly consist of too many multiverses for us to have a suitable number to describe it, if such beings exist. The inflation of our universe could simply be the effect of their particle accelerator ramping down its magnetic field.

Puts a different perspective on oil in Iraq.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Icarys -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 5:07:05 PM)

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Pardon if the next bit is incoherent. Assume my universe and yours are moving in relation to each other. If they are not accelerating, then the centers of these two universes will be converging or diverging over time. If they accelerate or decelerate, the rate of vergence will be curved over time. In acceleration, a universe is compressed or contracted about the axis of this acceleration, which you could also model as a tilt about the time axis. Deceleration is relaxation in this context, corresponding to a level universe. Mapping the topology of frames of reference to establish a global pattern is necessary to derive fixed points of reference inside the observable universe, and may not be possible. The boundaries appear the most likely candidates for a fixed point of reference, and our degree of tilt is too high to support observation beyond the horizon which is represented by the comoving distance, which shrinks with time as a consequence of inflation. For that matter, true boundaries are not observable from inside the system (nothing covered by science is able to contain a complete and accurate description of itself, hence the surface- the boundary- is always beyond the contents, and thus the complexity is always set by the surface, not the volume, etc., etc.)

Then you wake up. CM was a board inside a simulated universe that you wasted umpteen years in. Fortunately, your subscription has expired, and you're evicted into reality. Or did you just go off the deep end? Is it the world with CM in it that is real, and instead of you waking up, you went deeply psychotic, with your mind "translating" between external experience and internal perception with the same degree of proficiency as your safeguards question the accuracy of this new world? Perhaps you just detached completely and are sitting in some corner of a visitor's ward somewhere, your real loved ones trying to get through to you as your imaginary self reads this imaginary post that it composed to resemble the fantasy creature you created to fill the role of an obnoxious and arrogant norseman.

It doesn't make much sense to attempt to assert a fixed point of reference, especially since we can only make assumptions about any purported external reality and experience thereof. The interaction is where it's all at, whether macro-, meso- or microscale. And that's what time and space are, in a lot of senses: the distance between two interacting points in the spacetime, or the potential gap of their interaction. Asking where is irrelevant. The question is with whom?

It's no fantasy, you are an arrogant and obnoxious Norwegian. Norseman gives you too much credit I think.

You seem to have it all figured out.. No doubt you're communicating with the late Einstein himself and are teaching him a thing or two. [:D]

Any theory of move is just as valid as the next since we really don't know shit about the big picture. I couldn't say though that you don't articulate well.

Health,
Icarys.




Termyn8or -> RE: I had a crazy idea (8/8/2011 5:18:24 PM)

"you shouldn't have had that 2nd bottle of jack? "

Not quite. This questioning whether time exists is intriguing to me. I try to realize the possibility that it does not exist, except as a concept in our mind(s). Now think about this, because the hands on a clock move, what does it prove ? Because it's summer, what does that prove ?

Every fucking measurement we have for time is based on physical things, whether it is the resonance of some element or a Goddam pendulum swinging back an forth in a Grandfather clock.

Do these things define time ? I think not.

Next. Type to me the ACTUAL CONCEPT OF TIME. If you really do that I will kiss your ass at Times Square and give you twenty minutes to draw a crowd.

T^T




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