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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/8/2011 6:02:30 PM

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/8/2011 6:30:48 PM

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Type to me the ACTUAL CONCEPT OF TIME

fuck that's easy termy. pucker up.

shit happens.
some shit has happened and isn't happening anymore
some shit is happening
some shit hasn't happened, but will

simple fucking observation confirms this. time is the medium we use to define and explain this phenomenon. it is what allows this phenomenon. clocks, hours, days, seasons, and years are not time, they are merely the means and units by which we measure time.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/8/2011 9:13:09 PM

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All right I'll go really deep on all of you with a truly "crazy idea"....

You all (should) have some idea of what an atom looks like that has neutrons, electrons, and protons orbiting about it's nucleus.....right?!! Well when you look at more recent space photos (from Hubble in particular) and see all the other galaxies out there it looks kind of like an atom. What if the universe (as we know it) is nothing more than an atom or possibly a cell of some type inside a another life-form of unimaginable proportions?

To break it down in simple terms....what if an atom is actually a microcosmic universe in itself? There could be infinitesimally microscopic creatures thinking the same things we are right now.

This is not a new idea. I first had it when I was around 20 and took a full hit of some super purple microdot that peeps were ODing on a quarter of.

Quite the trip.

I went back in time and relived all my past lives. It took about five hours. So yeah, time is....very flexible.

That we are a very small bit of a larger whole should not be news. We like to think we are so important, b/c we are human and have cognitive thought, when really we are such a tiny piece of the action.

JMO, YMMV

I may have had some of that. Was it domed on both sides? Purple double-dome, purple micro-dot... Purple Haze was before my time... had some White Lightning in 69, though, thst someone had stashed from a trip to SF...

Owsley's dead, you know...

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/8/2011 9:22:08 PM

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And let it be said that a moebius strip need not have only one twist. The thought that standing waves in the electron orbits (to me at least) are akin to the corkscrewed phone cords would account for all that, and since there is a handedness or spin to quarks........

In any case al-Aswad, I am of the ever collapsing and re-expanding universe crowd, it satisfies my sense of ------correctness (???) don't quite know if there is a word for what it satifies in me.

A few years back, I was thinking about the cyclic multiverse thing (b.com)
"Consider the Universe as having magnitude and duration such that the x-axis is duration amd the y-axis magnitude. Consider also the Universe as a sinusoidal function such that the limit of M as y-->0 is M/infinity (i.e.; the universe becomes vanishingly small). At the precise moment that the slope of the curve goes from negative to positive, the big bang occurs.

Contemplate an infinite number of universes, all expanding/collapsing relative to each other. To help visualize this, think of a stable head of beer where the bubbles re-form, collapse, reappear, expand, ad infinitum."

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/8/2011 9:24:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

All right I'll go really deep on all of you with a truly "crazy idea"....

You all (should) have some idea of what an atom looks like that has neutrons, electrons, and protons orbiting about it's nucleus.....right?!! Well when you look at more recent space photos (from Hubble in particular) and see all the other galaxies out there it looks kind of like an atom. What if the universe (as we know it) is nothing more than an atom or possibly a cell of some type inside a another life-form of unimaginable proportions?

To break it down in simple terms....what if an atom is actually a microcosmic universe in itself? There could be infinitesimally microscopic creatures thinking the same things we are right now.

Hmmmm...now why does that sound familiar....hmmmmmm...?

Oh yeah...right here, around the 2:20 mark.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/9/2011 6:58:45 AM

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Ja, to the thing you quoted, the issue is that the planetary atom has long since half-lifed itself to death and really a universe and an atom share like structures in common about on the order of shit and piss, though interestingly enough they are both made of atoms.

LOL.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/9/2011 11:02:46 AM

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Just me of course but I don’t think an eternally repetitive curved universe will work. Only because for this to be fact then the circumstances that created the first loop would have to be ignored. Otherwise you can not say the before is the same as the after and ignore the fact that at some point there had to be a first.

The forces…the miracle of the first creation… has to be the most powerful singular unimaginable event in the history of reality.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/9/2011 11:07:09 AM

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I dunno that it has to be ignored, we have clocksprings as proof and a moebius strip can be fashioned into a continuous clockspring, and even without very much consideration you can create one without a twist (in the prior scenario I require two opposite twists to keep my sense of propriety about handedness appealing), which would not give a handedness to it.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/9/2011 11:26:58 AM

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There relatively few things we know of the universe in general…But one is a fact that every physical particle of the universe is moving away each other uniformly. It is an expansion rather than a linear movement…so no particle is moving closer to another. It would be impossible to move on a curved path by uniform expansion.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/9/2011 12:11:47 PM

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at some point there had to be a first.

Why?

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But one is a fact that every physical particle of the universe is moving away each other uniformly.

Actually this isn't a fact, it is a supposition of some models of expansion. What we DO know is that everything is moving away from us. From that a theory of an expanding universe has been developed. However, since nobody really knows what the universe is like, we don't know how it's expanding. there are various models to choose from.

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It would be impossible to move on a curved path by uniform expansion.

Yet apparently it does, at least according to some scientists. Finite space theory supposes space has no edge or end, because it wraps around on itself., just as Heather supposed.

Look, the universe is weird, really, amazingly, mind-bogglingly weird. It works by totally separate set of rules that we barely understand. We know nothing for sure about how the universe actually works, or why. We have a lot of ideas, theories and models, but we don't know what is right.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/9/2011 12:27:46 PM

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I think all the thinkers pretty much agree that the big bang theory is not the right one. Now they are talking about the big rubber band theory...where we expand to a point then collapse and re-exspand. The curved time theory is an intersting one...maybe we are in one big rat wheel going around and around...

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/9/2011 12:35:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There relatively few things we know of the universe in general…But one is a fact that every physical particle of the universe is moving away each other uniformly. It is an expansion rather than a linear movement…so no particle is moving closer to another. It would be impossible to move on a curved path by uniform expansion.

Butch

unwind the spring and if you are as al-Aswad says, a tit on the surface of that spring, you move away in like manner.

yet let us not dwell in the simple minded. what if -----
since we really dont know much we can spitball as much as we like here.........we are looking in mirrors (that is the 11 dimensions or so of space only take on significance in vast panorama) and there isnt all that much out there but we are seeing replicants of the same thousands of structures again and again and again, the wrapping funtion we are talking about here is sort of like some of the 'reality' structures we impose upon atoms so that we can even envision the little bastards.....we know relativity holds a strangeness at very small and very large........

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/9/2011 7:48:07 PM

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It's no fantasy, you are an arrogant and obnoxious Norwegian. Norseman gives you too much credit I think.

Just to show how arrogant and obnoxious I am, I will point out that 'norseman' is correct, and has nothing to do with credit. The term is applicable on the basis of language and ethnicity, despite a minority contribution from what appears to be Hebridean or Celtic sources. Not that I'm particularly clear on how it would constitute credit, or lack thereof, to apply the term.

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You seem to have it all figured out.. No doubt you're communicating with the late Einstein himself and are teaching him a thing or two.

Obviously not. I've no grasp of string theory, for instance.

What I've done, is to voice some quick observations on perspective.

Those observations depend on some of E's work (e.g. proper distance / time).

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Any theory of move is just as valid as the next since we really don't know shit about the big picture.

Actually, the theory with the most predictive power is the most valid one.

All else being equal between two theories, the one with the least assumptions is the more attractive one.

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I couldn't say though that you don't articulate well.

I could (and did).

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/10/2011 12:20:38 PM

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Just to show how arrogant and obnoxious I am, I will point out that 'norseman' is correct

Actually it's wrong..Your use of it is the same as many people who use historic terms like that to infer some "mightiness" of past gone by to their now simpler less exciting lives.

You are simply a modern day Norwegian. Not some Viking. Those people are as dead as my Irish warrior decedents. Let them rest and maybe lay beside it your arrogance.

Edit: Despite that I think you are arrogant and pretentious, I've never had an issue with you and you come off as a fairly decent guy. (really don't know a whole lot about you either).. Many people are probably impressed with your writing skills and your vocabulary but I wouldn't be one of them. Neither of those things make the man, they are just skills of him. None of those things make you a horrible person.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/10/2011 6:13:03 PM

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You are simply a modern day Norwegian. Not some Viking. Those people are as dead as my Irish warrior decedents. Let them rest and maybe lay beside it your arrogance.

I'm not laying claim to being a Viking. I'm laying claim to an ethnicity and heritage. That's not a matter of 'might'. It's a matter of pride. Perhaps you also reject terms like African-American, I don't know. I happen to think it would be nice to be able to take pride in heritage without being dismissed as an emo pod trying to spice things up with some verbal cosplay.

Norwegian implies an identity tied to a political entity whose demise will be celebrated by pissing on its grave.
Scandinavian drops that association, but fails to distinguish between West / East Norse heritage.
Norseman generally denotes West Norse heritage as an identity term.

I sometimes joke about Vikings.

I'm not joking about this.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/10/2011 6:40:35 PM

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You both seem to have found some fight in words.

Would you like to run for public office ? You are not enemies.

Stop, for your own good, and figure this out a bit better.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/10/2011 6:57:06 PM

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I'm not laying claim to being a Viking. I'm laying claim to an ethnicity and heritage. That's not a matter of 'might'. It's a matter of pride. Perhaps you also reject terms like African-American, I don't know. I happen to think it would be nice to be able to take pride in heritage without being dismissed as an emo pod trying to spice things up with some verbal cosplay.

Nice touch there. I disagree that you're not trying to spice things up because I think that's what you do on a regular basis. Some of it's entertaining, usually informative but about 85% pretentious.

We can agree to disagree.

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Norwegian implies an identity tied to a political entity whose demise will be celebrated by pissing on its grave.
Scandinavian drops that association, but fails to distinguish between West / East Norse heritage.
Norseman generally denotes West Norse heritage as an identity term.

That's your take above.. Here's mine. We get taught medieval history in school here in the US. Viking history was one of my favorites..that and anything to do with Greek. Wonderful stories.
Maybe in your country it's slightly different but here Norseman relates to history and Norwegian relates to modern times.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Norwegian
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Norseman

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/10/2011 6:59:49 PM

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You both seem to have found some fight in words.

Would you like to run for public office ? You are not enemies.

Stop, for your own good, and figure this out a bit better.

T^T

Just a slight disagreement. Not like we've pulled battle axes out.

This is mild compared to where it usually is by now. Mainly because he's also a civil fella.

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/10/2011 8:59:01 PM

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Merriam-Webster gives a different definition. Wiktionary notes it as uncommon in reference to modern times. Norwegian is a demonym, while norseman is an ethnonym, and correct as used. Norse-American is a dated word, comparable to the word African-American, and illustrative of the validity of making the reference, and the reason for wondering if you admit the validity of the latter of those two. Scandinavian is both demonymic and ethnonymic, but would have been more cumbersome in the contested text.

And, yes, I'm generally a civil fella, so with the above, the defense rests.

Further insults can be filed under appendix ZZzz..

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RE: I had a crazy idea - 8/10/2011 9:03:56 PM

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I hope I miss this bit the next time the universe repeats itself.

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