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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/27/2012 8:29:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		@FightDirector: You did the right thing by walking away. As disgusting as it is, she has the right to say what she wants, and you served to preserve that right. That she can't see past her partisanship and pain, is sad. She must have lost a lot and can't get through it yet. I am sorry you experienced that.

Memorial Day, to me, is a day we set aside to specifically remember those who gave their all for our Country. We honor them and simply take a moment to thank them in our own special way. I would love to hear about a politician's activities on Memorial Day. But, I would love for the first news report to be a month after it happens. The pol did something great, and didn't call attention to it and didn't make it a photo op. That would be incredible.

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/27/2012 10:27:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Somewhere Memorial Day was co-opted to honor the living as well as the dead, and Veteran's Day has fallen by the wayside.

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/27/2012 11:09:16 PM   
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Somewhere Memorial Day was co-opted to honor the living as well as the dead, and Veteran's Day has fallen by the wayside.


I agree, it comes each year and less people veterans or not can even observe it. RI is the only state left celebrating VJ Day.. and Really Back home, THAT was the biggie, but you would be hard pressed to find a state elsewhere who took Veteran's holidays more seriously over the last 65 years or so. I think it has largely to do with the fact that nearly everybody in my Dad's generation fought in WWII. My mom used to say that "if you needed anything done by a man, you had to ask the elderly".
Just an aside now that we're back on topic...
Here's a letter to the editor of The Gloucester Times... Maybe it will flesh out some of what you said:

GloucesterTimes.com, Gloucester, MA
June 30, 2011
Letter to the editor: Remember World War II heroes with memorial brick


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To the editor:

Our nation has much to be proud of. We have a citizenship that is patriotic, and willing to sacrifice.

During World War II, 420,000 American veterans died; 72,000 of these were never found. They were listed as missing in action. These same veterans left behind 82,000 children who never saw their fathers again.

The Gloucester World War II Memorial was built to remember the 5,665 from Gloucester who served during that conflict with Germany and Japan. This was 22 percent of our population of 25,000 at that time. This was twice the national average of veterans from other cities and towns across the nation.

The leadership of our enemies was cruel and unforgiving. If one was of the wrong ethnic background or a prisoner of war, he or she could be subject to torture and death.

While I was in the service, before I went overseas and after I got back, the German and Italian prisoners were treated as guests here in our country. They had medical care, three square meals, the run of the camp and slept in U.S. Army barracks.

In contrast, the German and Japanese killed millions of people in cold blood. We were on the sides of the angels and saints. They were on the side of the Devil.

Sixty-six years have passed since the end of that terrible war. Time passes and memories fade. Most of the veterans have passed away. Most of their children and grandchildren do not realize that these men, your fathers, are national heroes because they seldom spoke about it. They are heroes like our minutemen at Bunker Hill and Valley Forge. Heroes like our forefathers of the Civil War who fought and kept our country together.

If your hero has not yet been honored by a memorial stone on Gloucester's beautiful World War II Memorial, now is the time to do so. We will be laying the new memorial bricks in October. The $200 donation for each brick will be used for the perpetual care of the memorial. This next to the last section is 70 percent committed.

Come visit the Gloucester World War II memorial, and while there, see the beautiful display of American flags attached to the railing alongside Stacy Boulevard. Thanks to Ringo Tarr, Art McCann and their friends.

God bless America.

Michael Linquata

Chairman, World War II Memorial Committee

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/28/2012 6:43:25 AM   
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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/28/2012 7:12:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Today I am honouring a veteran of a foreign war.

A wonderful young man, husband of a few years, father of a 2 year old little girl and 6 month old little boy. He is still actively serving for as long as his health will allow. Just a few months ago he was diagnosed with ALS. When his daughter and son are adults, they will likely not even remember him. He is going to die a very unpleasant death.

When Troy was diagnosed, he and his wife, with the help of family and friends, were in process of building a new house for their new life together. It is on a very steep hill with 4 levels. A house he can no longer navigate safely. He bears the bruises, scars and scabs, of many falls. A house that cannot be sold as it is yet unfinished. A house he is a financial prisoner to and needs to get out of.

His wife, while trying to care for two small children and now, more and more, her husband, is also finishing her education. Which she will need as a single parent, in the years to come.

I've had the honour of knowing these two young people and it breaks my heart to see the rapid physical decline in a handsome strong young man, the visible tolls the stress is already taking on his wife. To know that their children will not know their father except through photos, videos and stories.

We are working hard to raise enough money to get this young family into a single level house where this war veteran can spend the rest of his life, more comfortably. Enjoying the few years he has left, with his beautiful wife and children.

ALS is a horrible disease. The numbers of our young soldiers that have served in the Persian Gulf that are being diagnosed with this disease is a considerably higher percentage than the general population.

There is no cure for ALS.

We, as civilians, can only support these young soldiers, and their families, to make the time they do have as easy for them as possible. It is the very LEAST we can do for their ultimate sacrifice.

If any patriotic civilians want to put their money where their mouth is, I will gladly find out how they can contribute to this young soldier's family.

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/28/2012 8:28:03 PM   
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That she can't see past her partisanship and pain, is sad.


Since NOTHING has been offered to substantiate Rich's reach for a limb that she was perhaps 'suffering' and that it might have 'anything to do with war' or even the Holiday AT ALL.
Could it be she was just some fucking self-important piece of shit who thinks she can spit on veterans for emphasis.
Or maybe she is just 'suffering' from an overdose of local radio 'celebrity hater' Jay Severin

Either way, I think it would be best we just presume the OBVIOUS instead of the MAKE BELIEVE and presume she is just a fucked up miserable person who has no respect for those who've served their country.

FD... Ya think she was hurting from a spiritual boo boo when she started her spitting attack?

You ARE however right about one thing FD DEFINITELY CONDUCTED HIMSELF WITH DECENCY.

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/29/2012 4:25:11 AM   
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That she can't see past her partisanship and pain, is sad.

Since NOTHING has been offered to substantiate Rich's reach for a limb that she was perhaps 'suffering' and that it might have 'anything to do with war' or even the Holiday AT ALL.


Rich? When did I become Rich?

So, that this took place at a cemetery would seem to point towards her having lost someone?

From FD's post:

    "As I was walking back to my car, I saw a woman in her mid 40s staring at the back of my car at the "Re-elect Obama" campaign sticker on the bumper, which happens to be right next to the "U.S. Army Retired" decal. She asked if it was my car and I replied "yes". She then started screaming at me, saying I was a "traitor" to the United States because I was supporting President Obama and how they should strip my military retirement benefits away from me because I clearly "hate" my country. She then spat on the ground in front of my feet. I got in my car and left."


I mean, yeah, it is technically possible that she was some lunatic who hung out in cemeteries looking for veterans who support Obama, but I'm going to go ahead and assume better of her. Her behavior does not strike me as a "normal" reaction, not even one of a reactionary ideologue. Thus, I assumed that she was suffering from some loss - seriously? In a cemetery on Memorial Day without having lost someone? - and it very easily could have been recent, causing her to be overly sensitive and thus, lashing out. It is even theoretically possible that she believes the actions and decisions of President Obama were to blame for the death she was mourning.

Hey, Skipper, we can agree on some things and disagree on the rest. I have no issue with that. But, understand this: I will always believe that inside, everyone is good and will act that way unless there is a reason they aren't. Before condemning someone over his/her actions, it might be best to figure out what is the root cause of those actions. Or, at least, walk away, assuming the anger that was hurled your way was not personal to you and it was just that you were there. at that moment in time.




Could it be she was just some fucking self-important piece of shit who thinks she can spit on veterans for emphasis.
Or maybe she is just 'suffering' from an overdose of local radio 'celebrity hater' Jay Severin

Either way, I think it would be best we just presume the OBVIOUS instead of the MAKE BELIEVE and presume she is just a fucked up miserable person who has no respect for those who've served their country.

FD... Ya think she was hurting from a spiritual boo boo when she started her spitting attack?

You ARE however right about one thing FD DEFINITELY CONDUCTED HIMSELF WITH DECENCY.


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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 2:12:22 AM   
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Rich? When did I become Rich?

So, that this took place at a cemetery would seem to point towards her having lost someone?

From FD's post:

"As I was walking back to my car, I saw a woman in her mid 40s staring at the back of my car at the "Re-elect Obama" campaign sticker on the bumper, which happens to be right next to the "U.S. Army Retired" decal. She asked if it was my car and I replied "yes". She then started screaming at me, saying I was a "traitor" to the United States because I was supporting President Obama


Oh, I'm sorry, everytime you say something it makes you the originator? Even if someone said it earlier in the thread. Quoting FD supports zip in regard to that. And if what you're going for is that as some sherlockian "proof" of the substance of your thesis, I here self-proclaimed 'sane' right wing talk-show suck-ups claim supporting Obama is an act of treason. So what is this about? You telling me you're prepared

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Hey, Skipper, we can agree on some things and disagree on the rest. I have no issue with that. But, understand this: I will always believe that inside, everyone is good and will act that way unless there is a reason they aren't.


What's with the June Clever speech?Looking for one more thing to be wrong about?
Yeah, that's all special'n'shit... And you be sure to let me know when we agree about one thing and disagree about another.
Nope, there are people who are just assholes and who fucking cares what the percentages are. And if she's crazy and in pain... you should read the post where I suggested he should have called the local police and got her locked up for assault.

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Before condemning someone over his/her actions, it might be best to figure out what is the root cause of those actions. Or, at least, walk away, assuming the anger that was hurled your way was not personal to you and it was just that you were there. at that moment in time.


If she was an occupy person, you'd want her head for looking at FD cross-eyed.

And ...
Maybe my mention of Rich wasn't such a great foot in the door for putting on the SNL ChurchLady<tm> costume and doing your superior dance.....

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Welcome home FD.

Perhaps her getting to be a complete cunt to you saved someone else from her venom. Obviously, someone who would let bumper stickers, on a car at a cemetery, upset them that much, needs help in a big way.

Depends on what the woman might have been doing at the Veteran's cemetery herself, on Memorial Day weekend, and how fresh her grief might have been.

A correct response, from a compassionate person, might have been to offer condolences for whatever caused her obvious anguish. Some would rather just drive right home and jump into a thread about how awful people who disagree are, I suppose/.


That's where the Rich part came from... you want to distance yourself from him? Be less obvious.


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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 3:20:24 AM   
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Oh, I'm sorry, everytime you say something it makes you the originator? Even if someone said it earlier in the thread. Quoting FD supports zip in regard to that. And if what you're going for is that as some sherlockian "proof" of the substance of your thesis, I here self-proclaimed 'sane' right wing talk-show suck-ups claim supporting Obama is an act of treason. So what is this about? You telling me you're prepared


Well, Gee. When you are replying to someone's post, if you're not addressing that person, wouldn't it make sense...oh, wait, I'm not sure I should word that as a question....you should mention you aren't addressing that poster, but someone else. It just cuts down on the confusion a bit.

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What's with the June Clever speech?Looking for one more thing to be wrong about?
Yeah, that's all special'n'shit... And you be sure to let me know when we agree about one thing and disagree about another.
Nope, there are people who are just assholes and who fucking cares what the percentages are. And if she's crazy and in pain... you should read the post where I suggested he should have called the local police and got her locked up for assault.


OMG! You think Obama is a Kenyan-born Manchurian Candidate?!?!?!? O! M! G! Or, is the President's birthplace something we agree on?

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If she was an occupy person, you'd want her head for looking at FD cross-eyed.


You don't actually have any idea what I think of the Occupy Movement. But, do jump to more incorrect conclusions.

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A correct response, from a compassionate person, might have been to offer condolences for whatever caused her obvious anguish. Some would rather just drive right home and jump into a thread about how awful people who disagree are, I suppose/.

That's where the Rich part came from... you want to distance yourself from him? Be less obvious.


Oh, I get it now. So, if I say something that someone else has said (although, my recommendation was to just walk away as FD did, not to try to console her), or something similar, we become one? And, I'm not trying to distance myself from anyone. But, for your sake, and so you don't get confused, how about I try this: I'll go by the name....oh, let's see... got it. Desideri_Scuri. I know. Crazy. I'm someone different, so I'll use a different name. Now, if I could only get a patent on this novel idea....

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 5:26:37 AM   
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Well, Gee. When you are replying to someone's post,


Please, allow me to fix that for you .... <ckick>



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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 6:05:25 AM   
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I shut off because we were headed into one of those cyclic debates that suck the life out of a thread.

I do however feel obligated to apologize about using the Occupy Movement as an example of our differences. That was completely wrongly held up. You in fact have been rather fair to the movement. I guess I just forgot. My Bad.


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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 7:37:14 AM   
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Somewhere Memorial Day was co-opted to honor the living as well as the dead, and Veteran's Day has fallen by the wayside.


Armed Forces Day was the 19th. Did you honor it?

We co-opted Memorial Day and took the opportunity to raise funds for a Marine that lost both of his legs and use of his left arm to an IED. Yup, we're shitty people because we co-opted Memorial Day.


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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 10:09:53 AM   
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Armed Forces Day was the 19th. Did you honor it?
We co-opted Memorial Day and took the opportunity to raise funds for a Marine that lost both of his legs and use of his left arm to an IED. Yup, we're shitty people because we co-opted Memorial Day.


[sarcasm]How dare you honor a soldier who is still alive on Memorial Day! How do you sleep at night?!?!? [/sarcasm]

I am happy you found a fantastic way to honor the men and women who have served us, some giving up their very lives. Most of the rest have scars that may not be seen and have given up freedoms and options we have taken for granted. The Marine you raised funds for gave more than an arm and a leg for you, me, and everyone else in this country (and for some in other countries). That, too, is an honorable thing.

Plus, I'm sure you didn't ignore those who have gone before us, either. I'm positive you know that you can do both.

I want to thank you for helping support that Marine, but I have no standing to thank you for that. Fuck it. I'm doing it anyway. Thank you for standing behind a veteran and working to help. That is a very honorable thing. For that, I thank you.

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 11:14:43 AM   
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My view is that on Memorial Day, I give thanks to EVERYONE who fought for this country and our freedoms, whether they are alive or dead and whether they died in combat or lived a long life.



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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 3:14:30 PM   
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Here's Elizabeth Warren on what Memorial Day means to her: http://elizabethwarren.com/memorial-day/



Same thing as Brown... Her's is only a $5 donation request though.
I have to say I am profoundly disappointed in both she and brown for their continued effort to block out the other two candidates from any media coverage. No doubt, I'll vote for her in November just to take Brown out. But to me, the only gain is that Kerry won't have his brother senator nullifying massachusetts' presence in the Senate.


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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 3:23:34 PM   
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Armed Forces Day was the 19th. Did you honor it?

We co-opted Memorial Day and took the opportunity to raise funds for a Marine that lost both of his legs and use of his left arm to an IED. Yup, we're shitty people because we co-opted Memorial Day.



Personally, I think it really only gets co-opted by politicians and those who want to use it as a vehicle they can just 'combine' with their favorite social issue. Societally, I think we decided to give it a double entendre when it comes to service men. I don't see much reason for controversy in that.

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 6:58:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just a little explanation for you, DesideriScuri. Sternskipper has some sort of very conflicted fixation on me. He blocks my posts, but is apparently compelled to reply anyway. (At least he stopped serial viewing my profile.)

I have no idea if Fightdirecto acted with decency in the cemetery, when the encounter occurred. I see what he posts here, and I find a bit of cosmic symmetry in this woman coming to him for her outburst. Being familiar with his posts and posting style, I suspect the story may contain some flamboyant exaggeration, as well.

I deal with angry, sometimes crazy, people on a daily basis, and if there is a reasonable foundation underneath what is showing, I need to try and find it. It's pretty obvious where to start looking, under the circumstances described.

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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 8:50:59 PM   
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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 9:00:56 PM   
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RE: Can we ask the Memorial Day Question ... - 5/30/2012 9:10:35 PM   
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