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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The catholic response to the enlightenment is a pretty fair example, I'd have said.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The catholic response to the enlightenment is a pretty fair example, I'd have said.

They thought to manage it.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The catholic response to the enlightenment is a pretty fair example, I'd have said.

They thought to manage it.

That's one way to fantasize about it.

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

I think there is quite a move on the part of Atheists currently to "manage it" when it comes to anyone else believing in a deity, at least that's one way they fantasize about it as well.

So often the traits one person detests so much in another seep right in, take hold and express in the opposer's psyche. And perhaps they will still believe they are "managing it" as they feed all the monotheists to the lions literally as they most often already do metaphorically.

Since the existence of a deity cannot be proven or disproved and how, historically, theistic cultures have persecuted unbelievers, the pendulum is destined to swing back and forth endlessly or at least seemingly so. Stalin was no less zealous in his persecutions than the Inquisition.

Ultimately, any aggression, intellectually or physically, is almost certainly rooted in a deep seated insecurity about the underlying beliefs from either side.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The catholic response to the enlightenment is a pretty fair example, I'd have said.

They thought to manage it.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

The Internet has become an intellectual ghetto. With the rise of the Internet sadly we have, in some respects, gone backwards. What is my take on it? When people surround themselves with their own kind, the result is everything gets filtered through the same filter. If the filter contains a bias, you are going to get garbage in, garbage out. This is what happens when everything is decided politically. When you are overly concerned with what your peers think, don't call yourself rich chocolate. Why? Because when you do that you're just plain vanilla.

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

I think there is quite a move on the part of Atheists currently to "manage it" when it comes to anyone else believing in a deity, at least that's one way they fantasize about it as well.

So often the traits one person detests so much in another seep right in, take hold and express in the opposer's psyche. And perhaps they will still believe they are "managing it" as they feed all the monotheists to the lions literally as they most often already do metaphorically.

Since the existence of a deity cannot be proven or disproved and how, historically, theistic cultures have persecuted unbelievers, the pendulum is destined to swing back and forth endlessly or at least seemingly so. Stalin was no less zealous in his persecutions than the Inquisition.

Ultimately, any aggression, intellectually or physically, is almost certainly rooted in a deep seated insecurity about the underlying beliefs from either side.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

I think there is quite a move on the part of Atheists currently to "manage it" when it comes to anyone else believing in a deity, at least that's one way they fantasize about it as well.

So often the traits one person detests so much in another seep right in, take hold and express in the opposer's psyche. And perhaps they will still believe they are "managing it" as they feed all the monotheists to the lions literally as they most often already do metaphorically.

Since the existence of a deity cannot be proven or disproved and how, historically, theistic cultures have persecuted unbelievers, the pendulum is destined to swing back and forth endlessly or at least seemingly so. Stalin was no less zealous in his persecutions than the Inquisition.

Ultimately, any aggression, intellectually or physically, is almost certainly rooted in a deep seated insecurity about the underlying beliefs from either side.

As I see it the root of all evil isn't religion. It's politics. As I see it the Atheists have an agenda and that is why they are unwilling to examine the role of politics in history. They see politics as the means to achieve their goals. As I see it is their substitute for religion. Consider what James Randi brought to the attention to the audience in the "James Randi: Sleep of Reason" video, We make assumptions. The assumptions give us a bias and the bias gives us a blind spot. A magician can use these blind spots to his or her advantage, but what a magician does is honest. Not everyone, however, is honest.

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As I see it the root of all evil isn't religion. It's politics. As I see it the Atheists have an agenda and that is why they are unwilling to examine the role of politics in history. They see politics as the means to achieve their goals. As I see it is their substitute for religion. Consider what James Randi brought to the attention to the audience in the "James Randi: Sleep of Reason" video, We make assumptions. The assumptions give us a bias and the bias gives us a blind spot. A magician can use these blind spots to his or her advantage, but what a magician does is honest. Not everyone, however, is honest.

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Ultimately, any aggression, intellectually or physically, is almost certainly rooted in a deep seated insecurity about the underlying beliefs from either side.

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As I see it the root of all evil isn't religion. It's politics. As I see it the Atheists have an agenda and that is why they are unwilling to examine the role of politics in history. They see politics as the means to achieve their goals. As I see it is their substitute for religion.

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I actually thought Tyson made a jump that was intellectually dishonest. He spoke about the period of Islam where great progress was made when Baghdad had tolerance and discussion was happening between Islamics, Christians, Jews and doubters, but wrapped up his speech with an urge to reject God altogether. What that implies is that it was purely the doubters in Baghdad that made any innovation and discredits anyone who had a religious belief.

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It is becoming a boring carnard to equate current atheists to Stalin. There is no attempt by the 'new atheism' to use politics for any means. The glaring contradiction is that currently evangelicals are using politics from school board elections thru State houses and Congress to impose their beliefs and values on the rest of us.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Get him a blog and a Twitter account. He'll die happy.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Ultimately, any aggression, intellectually or physically, is almost certainly rooted in a deep seated insecurity about the underlying beliefs from either side.

What a self-serving fantasy. So no disagreement is possible, whatever the original claim? No physical defense possible, whatever the original action?

No wonder you admire Narcissus.

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I actually thought Tyson made a jump that was intellectually dishonest. He spoke about the period of Islam where great progress was made when Baghdad had tolerance and discussion was happening between Islamics, Christians, Jews and doubters, but wrapped up his speech with an urge to reject God altogether. What that implies is that it was purely the doubters in Baghdad that made any innovation and discredits anyone who had a religious belief.

You missed the entire point of Tyson's speech. He rejected theological fanaticism that destroyed science in Baghdad and threatens to do the same in the West today.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

I think there is quite a move on the part of Atheists currently to "manage it" when it comes to anyone else believing in a deity, at least that's one way they fantasize about it as well.

So often the traits one person detests so much in another seep right in, take hold and express in the opposer's psyche. And perhaps they will still believe they are "managing it" as they feed all the monotheists to the lions literally as they most often already do metaphorically.

Since the existence of a deity cannot be proven or disproved and how, historically, theistic cultures have persecuted unbelievers, the pendulum is destined to swing back and forth endlessly or at least seemingly so. Stalin was no less zealous in his persecutions than the Inquisition.

Ultimately, any aggression, intellectually or physically, is almost certainly rooted in a deep seated insecurity about the underlying beliefs from either side.

It is becoming a boring carnard to equate current atheists to Stalin. There is no attempt by the 'new atheism' to use politics for any means. The glaring contradiction is that currently evangelicals are using politics from school board elections thru State houses and Congress to impose their beliefs and values on the rest of us.